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What? Are you attempting to make a point in that incoherent rambling?
It's ZOS we have empirical proof that crying works. They have gave in to the cry babies since day one and that is why we are in this situation.This whole CS /no VR BS was brought on buy crybabies that couldn't handle leveling in an MMO and couldn't emotionally handle the fact that level scaling may bring a situation where you are killed by a Mudcrab at lvl 50 . It is therefore definitely worth a shot to try the cry as high as you can method for once in order to make them reconsider implementing such a crappy idea.anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »It's not "shut up and be happy with the game"... it's "you're not happy, we've got it, you've said it in hundreds of posts, threads and ways, you see it doesn't change a thing and if it did it would not be right now, so please give it a rest".
Some of you really sound like babies who'll cry loud believing it will obtain them what they want. Ears hurt after a while.:trollin:5 -
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✭eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
Where are you getting this information? That doesn't even make any sense.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
No, because you would understand that the CP is the point. If we don't have those quests to do because we already did them with the understanding it would count, it's going to be a lot more difficult for a V14 than a V1 who has 2 factions worth of content ahead of them. Is this seriously that difficult to grasp? I really can't explain it any more plainly.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »Why are so many people missing this very simple concept?
Cause they don't think it effects them in a negative way at all. Most of them aren't or wont get to end game to be effected by decisions like this.
If 30 CP makes my characters have the same power as they did at VR14 I lose nothing. If I've done all quests and don't like gaining exp in other ways it doesn't matter whether I have 30 CP or 3,000 CP; I'm done with the things that I like to do in the game. People can understand the points involved perfectly well and disagree with them.
Those 2 other factions will account for approximately 90 CP and that's with full enlightenment bonus. So unless everyone is going to max out at 120, people were always going to need to find other content anyway.
People need to stop clinging to the cadwells silver and gold argument. Assuming the casual completes them, they too will be out of content.
The real issue is a lack of new content. Which we all know is due to how long it has taken to implement the champion system.
If you have run out of any new content, then im sorry, but you options are to do repeatable content, or come back when new content is added, not sit here moaning that some other players have not run out of content yet. That's just utterly selfish.
Its all based on figures from ZOS.
ZOS have said that under the new system, 1 CP should take an hour, with max enlightenment bonus.
Max enlightenment bonus is 4x XP, so one CP per 4 hours, with none.
ZOS have said you should level a VR level every 10 hours of play.
A VR level is 1million xp.
You should gain approximately 1 VTR level per zone, though this has appeared to be slightly less under the newly balanced xp (read last patch's mess up).
So from that we can easily work out that with no enlightenment bonus, you'll get 2.5 CP per VR level all the way up to a maximum of 10CP per VR level.
Since you start at VR1, you only gain 9 VR levels completing Cadwells content and the other faction quests.
VR10-14 is completely different content.
So you can earn anywhere from 22.5 to 90 (for a very very casual player, since that require max enlightenment bonus).
I cant be bothered to root out the quotes, but they are pretty well known round here.
Make sense now?
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Okay I get why this makes sense to you, but you're kind of just pulling different things together. You are basing your initial opinion on a lot of supposition, not to mention that I am not talking specifically about just the main quest lines. There were hundreds of side quests that I completed while doing Cadwell's not to mention the dungeons and mobs I killed and the world bosses, etc. Please take the entire faction's area into consideration and not just one quest line. There just aren't any real facts to back up your argument.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
Where are you getting this information? That doesn't even make any sense.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
No, because you would understand that the CP is the point. If we don't have those quests to do because we already did them with the understanding it would count, it's going to be a lot more difficult for a V14 than a V1 who has 2 factions worth of content ahead of them. Is this seriously that difficult to grasp? I really can't explain it any more plainly.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »Why are so many people missing this very simple concept?
Cause they don't think it effects them in a negative way at all. Most of them aren't or wont get to end game to be effected by decisions like this.
If 30 CP makes my characters have the same power as they did at VR14 I lose nothing. If I've done all quests and don't like gaining exp in other ways it doesn't matter whether I have 30 CP or 3,000 CP; I'm done with the things that I like to do in the game. People can understand the points involved perfectly well and disagree with them.
Those 2 other factions will account for approximately 90 CP and that's with full enlightenment bonus. So unless everyone is going to max out at 120, people were always going to need to find other content anyway.
People need to stop clinging to the cadwells silver and gold argument. Assuming the casual completes them, they too will be out of content.
The real issue is a lack of new content. Which we all know is due to how long it has taken to implement the champion system.
If you have run out of any new content, then im sorry, but you options are to do repeatable content, or come back when new content is added, not sit here moaning that some other players have not run out of content yet. That's just utterly selfish.
Its all based on figures from ZOS.
ZOS have said that under the new system, 1 CP should take an hour, with max enlightenment bonus.
Max enlightenment bonus is 4x XP, so one CP per 4 hours, with none.
ZOS have said you should level a VR level every 10 hours of play.
A VR level is 1million xp.
So from that we can easily work out that with no enlightenment bonus, you'll get 2.5 CP per VR level all the way up to a maximum of 10CP per VR level.
Since you start at VR1, you only gain 9 VR levels completing Cadwells content and the other faction quests.
VR10-14 is completely different content.
So you can earn anywhere from 22.5 to 90 (for a very very casual player, since that require max enlightenment bonus).
I cant be bothered to root out the quotes, but they are pretty well known round here.
Make sense now?
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✭eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
Okay I get why this makes sense to you, but you're kind of just pulling different things together. You are basing your initial opinion on a lot of supposition, not to mention that I am not talking specifically about just the main quest lines. There were hundreds of side quests that I completed while doing Cadwell's not to mention the dungeons and mobs I killed and the world bosses, etc. Please take the entire faction's area into consideration and not just one quest line. There just aren't any real facts to back up your argument.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
Where are you getting this information? That doesn't even make any sense.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
No, because you would understand that the CP is the point. If we don't have those quests to do because we already did them with the understanding it would count, it's going to be a lot more difficult for a V14 than a V1 who has 2 factions worth of content ahead of them. Is this seriously that difficult to grasp? I really can't explain it any more plainly.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »Why are so many people missing this very simple concept?
Cause they don't think it effects them in a negative way at all. Most of them aren't or wont get to end game to be effected by decisions like this.
If 30 CP makes my characters have the same power as they did at VR14 I lose nothing. If I've done all quests and don't like gaining exp in other ways it doesn't matter whether I have 30 CP or 3,000 CP; I'm done with the things that I like to do in the game. People can understand the points involved perfectly well and disagree with them.
Those 2 other factions will account for approximately 90 CP and that's with full enlightenment bonus. So unless everyone is going to max out at 120, people were always going to need to find other content anyway.
People need to stop clinging to the cadwells silver and gold argument. Assuming the casual completes them, they too will be out of content.
The real issue is a lack of new content. Which we all know is due to how long it has taken to implement the champion system.
If you have run out of any new content, then im sorry, but you options are to do repeatable content, or come back when new content is added, not sit here moaning that some other players have not run out of content yet. That's just utterly selfish.
Its all based on figures from ZOS.
ZOS have said that under the new system, 1 CP should take an hour, with max enlightenment bonus.
Max enlightenment bonus is 4x XP, so one CP per 4 hours, with none.
ZOS have said you should level a VR level every 10 hours of play.
A VR level is 1million xp.
So from that we can easily work out that with no enlightenment bonus, you'll get 2.5 CP per VR level all the way up to a maximum of 10CP per VR level.
Since you start at VR1, you only gain 9 VR levels completing Cadwells content and the other faction quests.
VR10-14 is completely different content.
So you can earn anywhere from 22.5 to 90 (for a very very casual player, since that require max enlightenment bonus).
I cant be bothered to root out the quotes, but they are pretty well known round here.
Make sense now?
This is based on actual Information from ZOS. So it's far more solid than any other theories of just how much CP the VR zones are worth. The one VR level per zone is based on doing all quests, delves, dolmans and bosses.Edited by Guppet on January 9, 2015 5:19PM0 -
Heruthema✭✭✭✭I am consistently 1.5 to 2 VR levels above while doing Cadwell's stuff. There are tons of quests, dungeons, and bosses. There is more than enough if you take the time to look around and thoroughly complete a zone and not just rush to the next one.
One additional note is that I do go to Cyrodiil and do quests/dungeons/etc also to help buffer some of the xp but for the most part it is gathered in Cadwell's.Edited by Heruthema on January 9, 2015 5:33PM1 -
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Even if you finished Cadwells 2 levels above it's still not actually that much CP. You also need to not include any PVP or Cryadill. If you finished the other faction content and you were VR 12, you got a vast amount more xp than anyone I know. Some came close to VR 11, but that was with a side of PVP.I am consistently 1.5 to 2 VR levels above while doing Cadwell's stuff. There are tons of quests, dungeons, and bosses. There is more than enough if you take the time to look around and thoroughly complete a zone and not just rush to the next one.
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Even if you finished Cadwells 2 levels above it's still not actually that much CP. You also need to not include any PVP or Cryadill. If you finished the other faction content and you were VR 12, you got a vast amount more xp than anyone I know. Some came close to VR 11, but that was with a side of PVP.I am consistently 1.5 to 2 VR levels above while doing Cadwell's stuff. There are tons of quests, dungeons, and bosses. There is more than enough if you take the time to look around and thoroughly complete a zone and not just rush to the next one.
My last 14 was at 13 when I completed Gold. I then had to grind my way to 14. I did do a lot of cyrodiil stuff early on with that one.
My current one going through gold is consistently 1.5 over when getting to each zone. I have done very little cyrodiil stuff with him other that getting most of the skyshards there.
But I do a very very thorough scrubbing of ALL three factions including every dungeon and every quest I can find.0 -
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Yup, I am very happy about ZoS new position. Thanks again for listening us ZoS and for coming talk to us @ZOS_GinaBruno.1 -
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It's ZOS we have empirical proof that crying works. They have gave in to the cry babies since day one and that is why we are in this situation.This whole CS /no VR BS was brought on buy crybabies that couldn't handle leveling in an MMO and couldn't emotionally handle the fact that level scaling may bring a situation where you are killed by a Mudcrab at lvl 50 . It is therefore definitely worth a shot to try the cry as high as you can method for once in order to make them reconsider implementing such a crappy idea.anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »It's not "shut up and be happy with the game"... it's "you're not happy, we've got it, you've said it in hundreds of posts, threads and ways, you see it doesn't change a thing and if it did it would not be right now, so please give it a rest".
Some of you really sound like babies who'll cry loud believing it will obtain them what they want. Ears hurt after a while.
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✭✭✭So ZOS proved today that they listened and I'm happy about it
ZOS proved yet again today that they will always bow down to the whiners. It was only that this time we were the whiners so it's all cool.
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It's also possible that they managed the situation from start to finish.
They put the first offer out just before the hollidays so people would shout themselves horse, before they actually needed to respond.
Then when they improve the offer it's such an improvement over the first one that people accept it willingly, even though it's far far less than people initially wanted.
It's much like I said at the start about managing toddler tantrums. Give them the bad news that they get no cake, then leave them in thier room while they scream and cry, then they will think the cookie you give them afterwords is amazing.
Probably best if people dont think on that too much.
But, well played ZOS.Edited by Guppet on January 10, 2015 2:28PM1 -
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It's also possible that they managed the situation from start to finish.
They put the first offer out just before the hollidays so people would shout themselves horse, before they actually needed to respond.
Then when they improve the offer it's such an improvement over the first one that people accept it willingly, even though it's far far less than people initially wanted.
It's much like I said at the start about managing toddler tantrums. Give them the bad news that they get no cake, then leave them in thier room while they scream and cry, then they will think a cookie afterwords if amazing.
I kind of doubt it since I am sure there were plenty of people that canceled their sub due to this in December. I was never that bothered by the 30CP points and I am just waiting to see how terrible the gameplay mechanics changes they are going to be.ESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)0 -
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✭✭We WON!
All that matters. And finally we get a fair contribution of points. 70 might still not be enough for many, and Fresh VR1s might be unhappy to not get 30 points. But that´s what i call fair.
70 Points is fine. I like what they do now. As long as you have a VR14 you are very likely to be set at 70 cap anyway. Unless you just reached VR14 before the patch goes live.
I wanna thank all of you who stood their grounds and fought against that 30 point mess. Good Job Friends!
@Magnusnet (OP) cant reply. But he also seems to be happy about the change.Edited by xMovingTarget on January 10, 2015 2:40PM3 -
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✭xMovingTarget wrote: »We WON!
All that matters. And finally we get a fair contribution of points. 70 might still not be enough for many, and Fresh VR1s might be unhappy to not get 30 points. But that´s what i call fair.
70 Points is fine. I like what they do now. As long as you have a VR14 you are very likely to be set at 70 cap anyway. Unless you just reached VR14 before the patch goes live.
I wanna thank all of you who stood their grounds and fought against that 30 point mess. Good Job Friends!
@Magnusnet (OP) cant reply. But he also seems to be happy about the change.
I suspect as many got banned from the forums as quit, during this. Lol.0 -
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✭✭xMovingTarget wrote: »We WON!
All that matters. And finally we get a fair contribution of points. 70 might still not be enough for many, and Fresh VR1s might be unhappy to not get 30 points. But that´s what i call fair.
70 Points is fine. I like what they do now. As long as you have a VR14 you are very likely to be set at 70 cap anyway. Unless you just reached VR14 before the patch goes live.
I wanna thank all of you who stood their grounds and fought against that 30 point mess. Good Job Friends!
@Magnusnet (OP) cant reply. But he also seems to be happy about the change.
I suspect as many got banned from the forums as quit, during this. Lol.
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ZOS could not have possibly gotten it perfect, there is just too many varying opinions and demands out there. BUT, I feel that they hit "fair" pretty good. This system might still be a huge flop/success, time will tell. Either way, my subs will continue to support this game and I will be spending my free time dying in Cyrodiil or slaying Daedra in some dungeon.
For those I may have offended, not my intent. For those that I stood with, it has been a pleasure eating up my work hours with you in this forum.Follow me if I advance, Kill me if I retreat, Avenge me if I die.
When this immediate evil power has been defeated, we shall not yet have won the long battle with the elemental barbarities. Another evil, it may be an invisible adversary, will attempt, again, and yet again, to destroy our frail civilization. Is it true, I wonder, that the only way to escape a war is to be in it?
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✭✭I must admit I didn't believe Zenimax would change their mind nor listen to the people who found the 30CP implementation to be unfair, In my mind, the 30CP for everybody corresponded to a certain vision of the game that I thought the business had and that I was afraid of.
ZOS proved me wrong, proved many of us wrong, and also proved they do listen to everybody's concerns including dedicated players and I'm grateful for it and truly apologize to the mods & community managers who had to take the heat in the forums.
Regarding the new system, they went even further that what would have been, in my opinion, acceptable, and implemented a 100% fair system beyond anything I actually hoped it would be.
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You get 2 lollipops out of 100 instead of 1 out of hundred and you are so happy
Remember that it is 70 CP out of 3600 sth.
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✭✭Francescolg wrote: »How easy is it to buy your vote?
You get 2 lollipops out of 100 instead of 1 out of hundred and you are so happy
Remember that it is 70 CP out of 3600 sth.
I see no difference between 30 or 70 when I see the total sum
It doesn't matter how far ahead you are right now vs how far ahead you'll be in the new system, what matters is that advancement and play time wasn't for nothing, and that, when Champion launches fully, you're at the same "level" that you are right now (compared to other players and the game iteself).
Since the early spent points will matter much more (since the more you spend, the less stat increase it gives), 70 CP vs 0 CP will likely be an advantage comparable to VR1-VR14 strength, which is, once again, what matters.
When CP is fully implemented in Update 7, you'll have begun a new system, with character stats that likely match or surpass your current stats. You will have more CPs than a VR1 at VR14 for an equal amount of time played, difference that will matter a lot in the beginning but will be meaningless the more CP points everybody gets.
Champion system is a whole different leveling system anyways with more levels than the 14 vr ranks but with point/benefit ration that decreases the more you advance in the system.
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Morshire✭✭✭✭Francescolg wrote: »How easy is it to buy your vote?
You get 2 lollipops out of 100 instead of 1 out of hundred and you are so happy
Remember that it is 70 CP out of 3600 sth.
I see no difference between 30 or 70 when I see the total sum
Seriously, I get a lollipop for all my hard work and the new kids don't get one just for showing up. Yep, good with it.
ZOS always said their would be a cap. And if they gave you all 3600 CP right now, you'd quit in a month or so because there was nothing left to do, or blow up the forums because you have no new content and everyone around you steadily closed the gap. Either way, you are not happy.
SOOOOO, can I have your lollipop?
Follow me if I advance, Kill me if I retreat, Avenge me if I die.
When this immediate evil power has been defeated, we shall not yet have won the long battle with the elemental barbarities. Another evil, it may be an invisible adversary, will attempt, again, and yet again, to destroy our frail civilization. Is it true, I wonder, that the only way to escape a war is to be in it?
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✭✭✭Francescolg wrote: »How easy is it to buy your vote?
You get 2 lollipops out of 100 instead of 1 out of hundred and you are so happy
Remember that it is 70 CP out of 3600 sth.
I see no difference between 30 or 70 when I see the total sum
Seriously, I get a lollipop for all my hard work and the new kids don't get one just for showing up. Yep, good with it.
ZOS always said their would be a cap. And if they gave you all 3600 CP right now, you'd quit in a month or so because there was nothing left to do, or blow up the forums because you have no new content and everyone around you steadily closed the gap. Either way, you are not happy.
SOOOOO, can I have your lollipop?
Also 3600 is the account wide cap of all the points you can earn in the lifetime of the game. Its crazy to think they would give all that up front.0 -
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I'm surprised that you agree with this decision though, difference between 30 and 70 isn't really that big. Also ~15 VR levels total combined across all characters is something that, 90% of population achieved by now anyway.
Thats coming from a casual that played since pre-launch.
I was expecting more people whining how their multiple VR14 will get just the same as a guy that achieved that with only 1 character. Personally I don't really mind as it benefits me greatly the way they changed it.Edited by Bloodfang on January 10, 2015 9:24PM0 -
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appropo, ppl were missing the montthly "fix your UI" threadI was expecting more people whining how their multiple VR14 will get just the same as a guy that achieved that with only 1 character. Personally I don't really mind as it benefits me greatly the way they changed it.
It doesnt matter. You could get the same playtime and same XP gathered. Doesnt matter if you just play 1 char or 8. You only have a certain amount of time. If you spent that one 1 char or more doesnt matter. The result is the same. I only have 2 Vet Chars. Both of em VR14. I have probably played mor on those and gathered more XP than others getting 8 chars to VR14
Since i havnt stopped playing them after i reached VR14 you know My Main DK is almost worth the XP of 3 VR14 chars alone. My NB is like 1 VR14 and 1 VR6. Anyway, you get the point. Edited by xMovingTarget on January 10, 2015 9:57PM0
