yodased wrote: »

Templars have the ability to remove negative effects and to have a heal on a dps bar and also have direct targeted heals that aren't logic based.

This gives them the advantage in the heal game, but doesn't exclude any other class from healing.

True, but it doesn't take much PVPing to get to Support rank 4 and learn Purge and then outside of PVP eventually morph it to Efficient Purge or Cleanse.

The lack of targeted heals is kind of annoying for non-Templars, but Combat Prayer is not bad as a resto staff healing skill. It is somewhat directed and heals a bit more than springs (IIRC) and gives some other boosts. And I use Quick Siphon on darned near everything.

Our PVP guild could definitely make use of a Sorc slinging heals and then being part of the negate rotation.

I think the reason that people prefer a templer healer in vet dungeons is this -

A mediocre Templar healer can get by spamming BoL potentially.
A mediocre non-Templar healer usually can NOT get by in the harder content.

Of course a skilled healer of any sort will do just fine.

So when people are PUGing vet dungeons, they go with Templars as that improves their odds of completing the dungeon.

spryler wrote: »

I think the reason that people prefer a templer healer in vet dungeons is this -

A mediocre Templar healer can get by spamming BoL potentially.
A mediocre non-Templar healer usually can NOT get by in the harder content.

Of course a skilled healer of any sort will do just fine.

So when people are PUGing vet dungeons, they go with Templars as that improves their odds of completing the dungeon.

This is it exactly IMO. Templars aren't inherently better healers it's just a more forgiving class for mediocre healers, similar to DK being a more forgiving class for mediocre tanks.

Ahhhh hahaha! Finally the whine threads about templars being good healers! I have been waiting a long time to hear it At release other classes especially sorcs talked themselves up so much as being the best healers. There were many threads going on about this and how superior they felt. Then there was the era of "ack I'm a templar and I get excluded from content". Well I say it is good templars are finally needed!

Kraven wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

You can do any content in this game with any combination of classes. Except for veteran dragonstar arena and sanctum ophidia.

I'm often healing vet pledges for instance with a nightblade or a sorcerer, simply because there's an overflow of DD's and I have to either tank or heal instead of playing my primary role.

This makes it very easy to form groups since I can always fill any role, and it makes me wonder why others have not done the same.

Of course, you need the appropriate skill and knowledge to pull it off, but it's actually really simple.

Last I checked the fastest time on VDSA leader boards was with a NB healer, even if that's changed since I checked last should still be in the top 5.

Well then, I stand corrected. I still don't see sanctum happening without templars though, simply because you need the flash heal after a manti stomp and the only viable heal to do so is breath of life.

But yeah, you can pretty much do everything with every class as long as the players that are performing their tasks are skilled enough to do so.

My nightblade is a beast healer.i also do a bit of healing on my dk in pvp.
You just have to do a bit of pvp so you can unlock the purge ability.i also use the pvp ability barrier as my healing ult sometimes.

I didnt build these characters to be main role healers but by switching a few abilitys i can fill the role.

Shunravi wrote: »

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

Robocles wrote: »

I've seen plenty of non Templar healers who were quite good.

The weakness of the Class as a heal is not having a cure, and not having anything remotely resembling an oh crap heal for the group. Sorcs make a far better tank then they do a healer or DPS . and thats just wrong

Why? Because the word 'sorc' describes mages in other games? In TES, a sorcerer is a heavily armored conjurer. ZOS seems to be basing the class more off the TES version than any other media's version.

no im fine with it being a tank. but im not fine with it not being a DPS or heals. i dont know what TES games you have played but . post oblivion things were much much different. I left at 1.4 , i just recently returned and my does quite a bit less DPS. not having a cleanse is really hat is killing it. Sure in a zerg friggin enviroment like Trials where its AOE the crap out of everything ignore mechanics and the best DPS wins. But some of the vet dungeons require a bit more if your not over leveled and over geared.

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

Robocles wrote: »

I've seen plenty of non Templar healers who were quite good.

The weakness of the Class as a heal is not having a cure, and not having anything remotely resembling an oh crap heal for the group. Sorcs make a far better tank then they do a healer or DPS . and thats just wrong

Why? Because the word 'sorc' describes mages in other games? In TES, a sorcerer is a heavily armored conjurer. ZOS seems to be basing the class more off the TES version than any other media's version.

no im fine with it being a tank. but im not fine with it not being a DPS or heals. i dont know what TES games you have played but . post oblivion things were much much different. I left at 1.4 , i just recently returned and my does quite a bit less DPS. not having a cleanse is really hat is killing it. Sure in a zerg friggin enviroment like Trials where its AOE the crap out of everything ignore mechanics and the best DPS wins. But some of the vet dungeons require a bit more if your not over leveled and over geared.

Post Oblivion.... soooo Skyrim? That's really it... 1game.

Yea, sorc dps is indeed an issue. One I hope they will remedy with 1.6. Heals are ok though.

I use purge to cleanse. Sure, you need to pvp to get it, but its a cleanse available to everyone.

Echoing what many others here have said, you're not at all limited to templar to heal.

I'm a nightblade healer. I level slowly and took a break, so though I've been playing her since launch, she's currently only V10.

Between levels V3 and V5, however, I healed every vet dungeon scaled to max level, hardmode (save CoA, which I haven't yet attempted). At V9 I healed DSA. Tonight, at V10, I duo healed both AA and Hel-Ra.

I'm not being a braggart at all, as I wouldn't have been able to accomplish any of that without excellent teammates. I'm just showing you what's possible.

The only wall that I run into are people either unwilling to run with a nontemp healer (and honestly I don't care to run with the closeminded type), or people who refuse to allow me to heal for them due to my level. That's it. Once I can get people to run with me a couple times, I don't have that issue anymore.

Lord Xanhorn wrote: »

Templars are a huge Pug bandaid. Many say that other classes heal just fine which is true if you have 3 other competent players. But if you have just 1 dps that stands in the fire consistently then your Sorcs and NBs just cant keep up. BOL allows that DPS to not die whereas he normally would. Now if your group is good, then BOL and Templar heals really aren't needed all that much although they do make things a bit easier.

And for the guy who said Templars don't add that much utility to a group? They must not play one all that much. Purifying Light is free DPS on boss fights and this is how I contribute DPS while healing. Rune focus is great for extra defense. Spear Shards for Stam regen and Repentance for instafill health and stam after trash...the list goes on and on.

I can heal PUGs just fine on my NB healer. I just hate doing it, because it's a giant pain in the ass.

Resto staff is enough to heal any end game content. I promise you. I am a Nightblade healer. I have healed vet DSA. I have solo healed all of AA. I have healed every trial including Sanctum (granted my group hasn't downed serpent yet, but I wouldn't put that blame on myself). I might have to work a little harder than a templar, but I can do it just as well. A bar that includes only resto staff abilities and inner light can easily get through practically any content. Granted, it would be much better to substitute a class ability for one or more of these skills, but I'm trying to nail the point home.
Full Resto Skill Bar and how to use it:
Combat Prayer- Buffs your party every 8 seconds and is a decently large area heal. Great for main tank healing when needed.
Mutagen- Great Hot with a built in "Oh S**t!" factor. Keep this rolling on as much of your party as possible.
Healing Ward/Ward Ally- Emergency button. I prefer healing ward for the initial heal. Put this on someone that just took a ton of damage. Mutagen and a healing springs or 2 will bring them up quick.
Healing Springs- Spam this in most trial fights... It stacks on itself and can keep large groups full health and is very magika efficient.
Inner Light- Crits are better

Ultimate-Healers recharge ultimates like crazy. Barrier is a good option here for any class. Putting your most group oriented ultimate here is pretty much the way to go. For sorcs, I'd probably run negate here if I didn't have Barrier.

You really should be able to keep everyone up with just those skills. I've done it many times in many different places. Any class can heal endgame. The end.

I don't think you need to be Templar to be healer, but if you are Templar you have access to ALL healing spells in the game. Which offer you more possibility to create a healing build. This is the reason why I personaly choose to play a Templar as healer.
I've played Dragonknight healer in the beta and I think I was doing fine back then considering our group were totally noob in dungeons.

If they buff everyone to heal close to what a Templar can, then for God sakes buff Templars dps to what other classes are.

I agree every class can heal, but only if your group is solid and can look out for themselves a lil bit at least. I wanna see a non-Temp healer going through the Wisp Mother on AA with 2 or 3 pugs that don't pay attention to her constant AoE and their health drop below 10% and you have to stay on line with them to cast combat prayer. Healing is "stressing" enough to do it without a temp if you have people not freaking moving away from red zones lol, and this game is full of them. And the most important thing, no other ability can get an instant 2k health healing than BoL, you can almost fill 2 health bars with only one tick from it. Plus, for non Templar healers, your stats have to be really well balanced to be effective, I mean like if you are spamming healing Springs, each tick must be healing for like around 300, each tick on Mutagen or Rapid Regen have to be near 200 and each combat prayer cast over 600 as a lowest number. Until next patch, healing effectiveness depends mostly on weapon damage (too damn ridiculous), so if you are a NB ie you will do pretty good but forget about to be the better healer if you are not a Templar. Think it this way, if you rock as a Dk/Sorc/NB healer, you won't imagine the effectiveness you will get as Templar