Tower Farming is killing us.

filmoretub17_ESO · January 2015

LOL yea its literally killing all the noobs.

Anyhow I was wondering how someone gets 1 mil ap within the first 48 hours of Cyrodiil map and well to my surprise it came down to tower farming. So a full raid hides in a tower while the enemy captures it. Then they lure some of them inside and next thing you know entire faction is slowly pouring into the tower allowing tons of farm to be distributed. The only problem I have is people aren't playing the game or capturing objectives instead they are hiding in towers. Last night this strong guild would bring a castle to the point of breakdown then run and hide in the nearest farm tower. This is completely destroying the point in the war and just turning it into Farmville. Maybe if you allow friendly farm towers to take damage from siege that would probably be a good fix.

kevlarto_ESO · January 2015

It is shame that farming gives more points overall than doing objectives like taking keep etc, etc. One thing to do is not take the flag blow down the tower, they run to the farm house start shooting siege in the openings, don't get caught up in tight spaces, make the farmers work hard for their points, play smarter, once you realize it is a farm situation go do something else they will get board and come out. /shrug

The_Man_From_Stygia · January 2015

They ought to add a way for the owning faction to purge the towers.. like blocking the doors and setting fire to them so that all opposing faction members trapped inside are consumed. Would be a shame if some body were to set fire to them...

Roechacca · January 2015

Wreck that tower before you take the resource .

Sincerely ,

The Anti Tower Farming Society

Soulac · January 2015

Don´t go in the tower -> no points for them -> they get bored -> they move on
While their faction is missing 24 ppl you could attack some keeps.. just sayin´.

themdogesbite · January 2015

How can this still be a issue? lol

OtarTheMad · January 2015

Soulac wrote: »

Don´t go in the tower -> no points for them -> they get bored -> they move on
While their faction is missing 24 ppl you could attack some keeps.. just sayin´.

It's a fair point but usually the AP farmers don't get bored and move on, they rush out of the tower and recap the resource and even siege the keep a little bit to draw attention. Rinse. Repeat.

Also I agree, taking down the tower would be great... if some noobs didn't take the resource while we are seiging down the tower and in the process ignoring zone/yell/says chat to stop.

Junipus · January 2015

It's a mixture of randoms and guilds with too much pride who want to try and take down their competition when the odds are too stacked against them.

Those players do serve a purpose though, take the farming away from a 20 man raid in a tower and they'll attack the keep. Keep them in the tower with a stream of randoms and organised guilds can go take keeps without organised competition.

Sacadon · January 2015

The point of the war gets old for some and this is just a new way to enjoy it and still make AP. If it keeps more people in Cyrodill and allows for new approaches to the war... This is all positive stuff!

Rylana · January 2015

Or you know... get in a coordinated voice commed group with experience and the right skills... and just force them out and wipe them?

Not exactly hard anymore with ground oil being a thing of the past.

filmoretub17_ESO · January 2015

No doubt there's ways to deal with it. However its not easy because of how the game is setup. If this is how the 1mil per 48 hours is earned then yes something needs to be done. If not then it can be the way it is and really not affect the game that much. My big concern is the Emperor is who he is because he is a tower farmer and nothing more.

Grim13 · January 2015

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

No doubt there's ways to deal with it. However its not easy because of how the game is setup. If this is how the 1mil per 48 hours is earned then yes something needs to be done. If not then it can be the way it is and really not affect the game that much. My big concern is the Emperor is who he is because he is a tower farmer and nothing more.

Exactly. The Emperorship needs to be tied to the objectives somehow... otherwise it's a sham and a joke.

Sanct16 · January 2015

You don't need to farm towers to get 1mil in 48 hours. If you play 16 hours a day to get 1mil in 32 hours play you only need to get 30k ap/h.

After campaign start people usually play even more, so maybe the guy played 40 hours (just 25k/h).

JamilaRaj · January 2015

dap_robertb16_ESO wrote: »

It's a mixture of randoms and guilds with too much pride who want to try and take down their competition when the odds are too stacked against them.

Those players do serve a purpose though, take the farming away from a 20 man raid in a tower and they'll attack the keep. Keep them in the tower with a stream of randoms and organised guilds can go take keeps without organised competition.

So they would siege a keep stuffed with defendes that would otherwise fed them APs in that tower; they would switch roles which is hardly worse outcome.
Besides, the problem is that people in the tower, or, generally speaking, people involved in mostly inconsequential fragging, have much higher AP gains than people working on actual objectives (not only people from opposing faction that will ignore tower farms and move on to siege some keeps, but primarily people of their own faction).
This could be split into two sub-problems, one being discrepancy between APs awarded for e.g. conquest of a keep (any objective) and APs awarded for killing a player (which may but often is not related to an objective), and the other game not being zero-sum, which leads to situation that two groups of lemmings that keep fragging themselves over and over have _both_ profit from doing so.

Lava_Croft · January 2015

Tower farming is so June 2014.

Galalin · January 2015

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Tower farming is so June 2014.

This^^^

Rylana wrote: »

Or you know... get in a coordinated voice commed group with experience and the right skills... and just force them out and wipe them?

Not exactly hard anymore with ground oil being a thing of the past.

This^^^

But here is one way to beat the farm.

Sorc enters while holding block to avoid runes.... Drops negate... group enters half a sec later and farms said farmers.

Knock the tower as said above.

Just leave them to farm time... if they retake the resource learn from the first time and siege the tower.

Or you could just rush in single file spamming purge and shield bashing them to death

DK Scrub out

s7732425ub17_ESO · January 2015

This problem only exists on low population PVP servers. On Thornblade (NA), you simply zerg the tower and no one survives.

Sallington · January 2015

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Albert Einstein

Agrippa_Invisus · January 2015

If noobs have already capped resource --

1. Get a coordinated team.
2. Hide out of LoS of the tower and sneak.
3. Wait for noobs to wipe inside.
4. Wait for farm group to jump resource flag after wiping noobs.
5. Set up a meatbag and use negates to turn the flag into a killing field.
6. Wipe the tower farmers.
7. Enjoy your AP and defense tick.

Da Sandman · January 2015

Or if you find a half the yellow faction in a farm tower, simply go take fare. That's my favorite way to break a farm

Roechacca · January 2015

1200 GP Fire Trebs , 30 minutes on Aleswell East tower . AP Gained from farming the EP farm team .... Priceless .

Like little match sticks running in a circle trying to blow their hair out

Ghostbane · January 2015

"Oh no! EP are farming in LM tower! I have to go in. I JUST HAVE TOO!"

- AD

Darlgon · January 2015

Technically, tower farming, and farming of any type, IS killing someone in Cyrodiil.
(I just had to get it out of my system.)

Enodoc · January 2015

Question; would this be alleviated or worsened if there was a capture flag inside the tower as well as (or instead of) outside it?

Roechacca · January 2015

Enodoc wrote: »

Question; would this be alleviated or worsened if there was a capture flag inside the tower as well as (or instead of) outside it?

If the flag was inside the tower people heads would explode ...

The_Man_From_Stygia · January 2015

roechacca wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Question; would this be alleviated or worsened if there was a capture flag inside the tower as well as (or instead of) outside it?

If the flag was inside the tower people heads would explode ...

That would solve the tower farming ^^

bosmern_ESO · January 2015

Currently with the neglect ZoS has been giving PvP thats one of the 3 things you can do in PvP, heres the complete list for people who really want to do PvP can do:

1. Play the map (go for keeps, scrolls, emp)
2. gank
3. farm

There really needs to be more, but it doesn't seem like there will be any true PvP things in Cyrodiil for a long time.

Lava_Croft · January 2015

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

Currently with the neglect ZoS has been giving PvP thats one of the 3 things you can do in PvP, heres the complete list for people who really want to do PvP can do:

1. Play the map (go for keeps, scrolls, emp)
2. gank
3. farm

There really needs to be more, but it doesn't seem like there will be any true PvP things in Cyrodiil for a long time.

What can be more 'true PvP' than Player versus Player combat?

Rylana · January 2015

Open field battle is still best PvP.

filmoretub17_ESO · January 2015

Its sad all the major guild leaders and massive groups and the only thing they can think is we got to get them out of that tower now!!! Its like something irresistible. Just human nature they cannot and will not walk away from a group of people in a tower.

Just to add I was in a tower farm with 10 other people and it took a 40 man zerg to get us out.

Enodoc · January 2015

roechacca wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Question; would this be alleviated or worsened if there was a capture flag inside the tower as well as (or instead of) outside it?

If the flag was inside the tower people heads would explode ...

How so? A nice bit of (v. quick) PvDoor to get in (

), massacre all the defenders inside, and then nobody can get stuck inside when the resource flips.