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Why i suspect there has been so much silence
Joejudas
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I honestly think that the gaming sites might be on to something with the F2P thing and it caught ZOS off guard. The silence has been them trying to figure out the damage control on that F2P being leaked early. I cant think of any other reason they wont just answer our questions.
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✭✭✭✭✭I suspect the general silence is a combination of just being back at work and possibly announcing something later this week or next - basically preparing for something big. what that big thing is I don't know - internal meetings, next episode of ESO live, Update 6 on the PTS, all the stuff iwth F2P and champ points that has gone down over the hols, next road ahead article etc etc.
They are being diverted from the forums by "something else" possibly many "something elses".
I recall earlier them saying that the update 6 patch notes were at about 20 pages so far - that will be keeping them busy if nothing else.
However the silence over the six month sub is certainly suspicious. If it is nothing to do with F2P then tell us that openly.Shunrr's Skooma Oasis - The Movie. A housing video like no other ...
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Joejudas✭✭✭✭✭I feel they would have simply just come out and said " nope not true" if it wasnt true....but they didnt. its like asking for a lawyer when you are under investigation for a crime.6
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Bloodfang✭✭✭✭✭wenxue2222b16_ESO wrote: »I suspect the general silence is a combination of just being back at work and possibly announcing something later this week or next - basically preparing for something big. what that big thing is I don't know - internal meetings, next episode of ESO live, Update 6 on the PTS, all the stuff iwth F2P and champ points that has gone down over the hols, next road ahead article etc etc.
They are being diverted from the forums by "something else" possibly many "something elses".
I recall earlier them saying that the update 6 patch notes were at about 20 pages so far - that will be keeping them busy if nothing else.
However the silence over the six month sub is certainly suspicious. If it is nothing to do with F2P then tell us that openly.
The last time they said patch notes were at 48 pages and counting.
Othevise they haven't been really silent, just people keep asking the same questions over and over again. Also there was a rather "long" holiday for them.
Checking dev tracker they seem to be pretty active again.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The key people were on holiday until yesterday, since when the forum monitors will have put together a report on some players' current concerns. That report will get passed to the decision makers who will consult their teams on those issues and then put together some form of response, assuming they feel one is both necessary and unlikely to be counter-productive at the present time. That response is therefore unlikely to be put out much before the end of the week, perhaps not until next week.
That's my take on it, based on how other games have dealt with these kinds of things which excite a significant number of players but not all of them by any means.7 -
Joejudas✭✭✭✭✭The key people were on holiday until yesterday, since when the forum monitors will have put together a report on some players' current concerns. That report will get passed to the decision makers who will consult their teams on those issues and then put together some form of response, assuming they feel one is both necessary and unlikely to be counter-productive at the present time. That response is therefore unlikely to be put out much before the end of the week, perhaps not until next week.
That's my take on it, based on how other games have dealt with these kinds of things which excite a significant number of players but not all of them by any means.
thats very specific....have you worked for a dev before ? ....im really asking im not being a smart butt i promise
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Samadhi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭wenxue2222b16_ESO wrote: »I suspect the general silence is a combination of just being back at work and possibly announcing something later this week or next - basically preparing for something big. what that big thing is I don't know - internal meetings, next episode of ESO live, Update 6 on the PTS, all the stuff iwth F2P and champ points that has gone down over the hols, next road ahead article etc etc.
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Realistically, there is not much need to post between now and when 1.6 goes live on PTS.
The things that most people are hoping to hear from ZOS are things they have already made clear statements on.
Personally prefer if their time gets invested in handling the content update rather than answering needless questions on the forums.
Every bit of time spent posting on the forums is time taken away from pushing forward on content.wenxue2222b16_ESO wrote: »...
However the silence over the six month sub is certainly suspicious. If it is nothing to do with F2P then tell us that openly.
When it was brought up in the non-English forums, it was posted by a ZOS representative that it has nothing to do with F2P, but people have been speculating and accusing ZOS of lying anyway.
Hell, the first "news" story that was linked to on an off-site review rag said that they were basing the entirety of their story on the fact that even though ZOS has already made statement on the forums that a vocal group does not believe ZOS' statement. The article itself admitted to being a rumour passed around by players rather than based on any company statement.
Would not be entirely surprised if the articles were written as a result of a disgruntled player spamming the inboxes of various websites proclaiming the change to be news-worthy.
Why bother responding to speculations when the same people who are promoting them now will not believe anything ZOS posts on the matter anyway?
Even when ZOS employees have done interviews in the past and been asked about going F2P, players didn't believe the responses then either."If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
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Joejudas✭✭✭✭✭Well....i understand what your saying...but when IGN, Kotaku, PCgamer etc etc pick up on it....i think it needs a clear answer at that point. You might disagree...but that just my take.9
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✭✭What we can assume so far:
- Players who have completed veteran content before 1.6 will not be "compensated" in any way.
- Update 6 will be delayed on Live for some time (PTS delayed already).
- Suscription numbers aren't as good as expected.
- ESO may go F2P/B2P in less than 6 months.
- Console is delayed to some time in 2015, no ETA.
The silence or lack of detail on those issues is bad for the game imo.Wololo.19 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The key people were on holiday until yesterday, since when the forum monitors will have put together a report on some players' current concerns. That report will get passed to the decision makers who will consult their teams on those issues and then put together some form of response, assuming they feel one is both necessary and unlikely to be counter-productive at the present time. That response is therefore unlikely to be put out much before the end of the week, perhaps not until next week.
That's my take on it, based on how other games have dealt with these kinds of things which excite a significant number of players but not all of them by any means.
thats very specific....have you worked for a dev before ? ....im really asking im not being a smart butt i promise
No, as I said it's just based on what has happened in other games - including, for example, the SOE shenanigans with ProSiebenSat.1. Members of the development and management teams don't have the time to follow the forums closely so it's usually the role of the customer support staff to do so and brief those teams on any burning issues, as well as reporting back with the responses handed to them. That's my understanding, anyway.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I'd chalk up the silence at the time... those not on holiday may be busy recovering from the new year celebrations, spending time with their family & friends, etc.
The FtP rumours have been flying, true. Maybe that is where the game is going, maybe not, time will tell. Little sense worring about it until we have more then just rumour methinks...2 -
Samadhi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Well....i understand what your saying...but when IGN, Kotaku, PCgamer etc etc pick up on it....i think it needs a clear answer at that point. You might disagree...but that just my take.
When IGN, Kotaku, PCgamer etc. "pick up on" something that is not announced by a company, and credit drama on the forums in the form of rumours as a "source," the only thing that I feel needs a clear answer at that point is why I continue to bother with them for quality gaming news.
The PCgamer article basically amount to saying:
Recently ZOS changed their subscriptions around by removing their least popular subscription option. When questioned about this action, a ZOS representative stated that the option was removed because it was largely unused by players.
Rather than request the reinstatement of this subscription option, the ESO forum has been in an uproar proclaiming the company is lying and clearly plans to go F2P.
We hope that ESO goes F2P as well, and here is an example of what sort of system we think we might like to see them use.
All it really takes is one site to write an article in order to have all the others spin their own in order to look like they are not less informative than their competitors."If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
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Joejudas✭✭✭✭✭So this is what I'm saying....if I do something illegal...and my neighbor sees it I need not worry. If I do something illegal and the news reports on it then I will and should answer for it. I'm not saying what they are / not doing is illegal....I'm simply pointing out it's too big to sweep under the rug now.1
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✭✭✭✭✭Why this matters for me is that as players we are investing our time into this game. We are putting effort into building characters that we hope will be useful to us in the long run. Doing things that don't give immediate benefit often - like crafting - but are worth it in the long run.
We are investing time and effort into building up guilds, freindships and a community.
No one invests anything into anything - time, money or effort - unless they have a clear idea that their investment stands on reasonably solid ground.
I think as players maybe we don't feel that at times recently and that is why these questions keep being asked again and again.Shunrr's Skooma Oasis - The Movie. A housing video like no other ...
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Sindala✭✭✭✭✭The simpleint way to look at the 'No comment' policy is in my opinion..
A person is looking for a new game to play,
He/she checks out the sites on a game called ESO they just heard about,
They see bad reviews and reports saying it's going to F2P very soon due to the removal of the 6 month sub,
No official post by ESO to deny this backs up that report,
They decide not to spend cash on game now and rather wait a few months for it to be F2P as they have been burned before by this is so many other MMO's.
Bad Press is Bad Press and should be denied as soon as possible. Sticking you head in the sand and hoping it will go away never works in business.Being First is not the prize, it just mean's everyone can stab you in the back.8 -
Joejudas✭✭✭✭✭The simpleint way to look at the 'No comment' policy is in my opinion..
A person is looking for a new game to play,
He/she checks out the sites on a game called ESO they just heard about,
They see bad reviews and reports saying it's going to F2P very soon due to the removal of the 6 month sub,
No official post by ESO to deny this backs up that report,
They decide not to spend cash on game now and rather wait a few months for it to be F2P as they have been burned before by this is so many other MMO's.
Bad Press is Bad Press and should be denied as soon as possible. Sticking you head in the sand and hoping it will go away never works in business.
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Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So this is what I'm saying....if I do something illegal...and my neighbor sees it I need not worry. If I do something illegal and the news reports on it then I will and should answer for it. I'm not saying what they are / not doing is illegal....I'm simply pointing out it's too big to sweep under the rug now.
No, forum fever has simply blown it up out of all proportion. ZOS may well take the view that it will all blow over soon enough, and that all they could do by responding to it now would be to pour more fuel on the fire because whatever they said would be distorted and disbelieved, such is the nature of forum fever. They may follow the maxim "least said, soonest mended".Edited by Tandor on January 6, 2015 11:14AM4 -
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✭The key people were on holiday until yesterday, since when the forum monitors will have put together a report on some players' current concerns. That report will get passed to the decision makers who will consult their teams on those issues and then put together some form of response, assuming they feel one is both necessary and unlikely to be counter-productive at the present time. That response is therefore unlikely to be put out much before the end of the week, perhaps not until next week.
That's my take on it, based on how other games have dealt with these kinds of things which excite a significant number of players but not all of them by any means.
Pretty much this, during the holiday season it is a very unproductive time across most industries, people take time to spend with their families and ring in the new year, but I do have tin foil hats for sale for those that think there is some deep dark conspiracy here.
I expect the chatter and things to start happening as the week goes on, and hopefully 1.6 to the PTS soon®
Edited by kevlarto_ESO on January 6, 2015 11:17AM1 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The questions have mostly, if not wholly, already been answered. Not everyone likes the answers, but there's not a lot anyone can do about that.6 -
Joejudas✭✭✭✭✭It's not a deep dark conspiracy...why in the world did they get rid of the 6 month sub. Everybody wants to know . It screams F2P4
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Samadhi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭So this is what I'm saying....if I do something illegal...and my neighbor sees it I need not worry. If I do something illegal and the news reports on it then I will and should answer for it. I'm not saying what they are / not doing is illegal....I'm simply pointing out it's too big to sweep under the rug now.
Do not think it is too big to simply ignore though.
The PCgamer article:
http://www.pcgamer.com/the-elder-scrolls-online-removes-six-month-subs-f2p-rumours-abound/
Some noteworthy features of the article to me:
Title:
(Bolded my emphasis)The Elder Scrolls Online removes six-month subs; F2P rumours abound
They openly profess that the article is based entirely on rumour....
As noticed by... well, those who play the game, the only subscription selections available on the MMO are now either 30 or 90-day options.
On the French forums this was all explained away by a moderator as being a simple case of people preferring the shorter subs. But that's not a theory that's holding water with a vocal section of the community.
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This section of the text links to two different forum threads as their source of information.
They do not mention anywhere even attempting to contact a ZOS representative for a statement on the matter.
They seek to discredit ZOS by saying the decision was "explained away" and that the vocal members of the forum community have labeled it as a "theory."
They afterwards go on to talk about how they feel the game is okay but not great, and that going F2P might make it better.
Interestingly, at the end of the article they credit another website as the source of the article.
Visiting the other website:
Basically states that the official word on the matter is not related to F2P, but that the forum members feel that is a lie:The official ZeniMax response on the French forums is simply that players indicated they preferred the shorter billing options, so the six-month option was removed. General sentiment in the thread is that this answer is not entirely credible.
Unlike PCgamer, which credits this site for the article, this site credits:[Thanks to Siphaed for the tip!]
Meaning some individual decided to write in to a gaming review site about forum drama, and now our ESO forum drama has become news across the web.
Really have difficulty considering any of the whole debacle to be high quality gaming journalism.
Totally comprehend and respect that the issue is a big deal to some people, and that they would be put at ease to have an English statement made on the matter.
Given how many times ZOS representatives have been asked about F2P since before launch, and have repeatedly shot down the idea, it does not surprise me in the least that they are not bothering to respond to the issue any further."If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
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Bloodfang✭✭✭✭✭People outside of ESO are talking about this....I guess we will see.
There were people talking about all kinds of doom about ESO even pre-launch. They said ESO would go F2P in 1 month, then 3 months, after that 6 months etc.
We are now at 9+ months.
Those kind of people will always hate on ESO. So just let them talk. I can't wait consoles to launch with a P2P model to shut everyone up.Edited by Bloodfang on January 6, 2015 11:28AM8 -
Samadhi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭People outside of ESO are talking about this....I guess we will see.
It would probably be better for ZOS image-wise to make absolutely no comment, continue on with subscription-based play, and discredit the gaming sites through action rather than seek to do damage control that will receive no publicity at this point.
ZOS could post tomorrow that they have no plans to go F2P, and for the most part it would not even be mentioned in the news.
Most one would see would likely be the gaming sites editing their existing articles to include a note that the rumours have been discredited; they are not likely to write a brand new article saying "our previous post was false, ESO isn't going F2P any time soon."Edited by Samadhi on January 6, 2015 11:31AM"If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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✭✭✭✭The problem is this has never not been talked about by gamers...all the way back to beta. They had to ban the mention of it back then because it got so ridiculous and obsessive. Maybe they are just choosing not to validate the on going F2P speculation. The fact that they removed the 6month sub could mean that they are going F2P, but it could also have been done for unrelated reasons. For example perhaps they found that payment model was less profitable than the others. No one has enough information so all we can do is continually hope that this game never goes F2P.Edited by Armitas on January 6, 2015 11:45AMRetired.
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✭✭✭I think a simple yes or no would make sense to most of these questions !
And when has a simple yes or no actually worked for anything here? They've tried before.
THE DEVS ARE LYING!!!!!!!!!!
YES/NO, WHAT ARE YOU SAYING????? WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY NO/YES???? YOU NEED TO EXPLAIN WHY WITH ANNOTATED FOOTNOTES AND THE MINUTES OF THE LAST 32 DEV MEETINGS TO JUSTIFY YOUR CHOICE!!!!!!!
Yeah, no. Not with some of the posters here.8 -
Joejudas✭✭✭✭✭I don't want to flame the fire on this crappy rumor anymore....I just had suspicions. Let's all hope it works out in our favor2
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ArconSeptim✭✭✭✭Maybe they had a dream about update 6 and all of that, and woke up yesterday who knows what happened...0