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NO MORE 6 MONTH SUBSCRIPTIONS?!? Buy to Play is on its way!
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Kaide✭✭✭I myself doubt it will go B2P
If it does though, I will very likely un-sub and go back to WoW.
and no, none of you can have my stuff if I do; I plan to either destroy everything I have or give it all to some random low level player.
You will unsub if it goes Buy to Play?
I'd pay money to see you try.
Edited by Kaide on January 3, 2015 7:52PM1 -
Ourorboros✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Is there anybody or his mother that hasn't posted on this topic yet. This is really starting to feel like.....BEATING A DEAD HORSE
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Kaide✭✭✭Ourorboros wrote: »Is there anybody or his mother that hasn't posted on this topic yet. This is really starting to feel like.....BEATING A DEAD HORSE
Yes...I've yet to see an Elder Scrolls Online staff member post about this topic. Gee Wiz Batman I wonder why? Why so secretive? This post has way more views than 99% of the posts on the first several pages of the forums..but no ESO employees have replied with a confirmation on anything. Why so many views? BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE CURIOUS AND WANT TO KNOW! It is also funny that... posts with LESS VIEWS and LESS REPLIES get responded to by ESO staff members.
If you don't want to see a dead horse beaten then how about you find out a reason for the 6 month subscription being removed other than "Its like..totally not popular"....because I'd tell the cheerleader who gave that response "Like 6 month subscriptions...are like never the most popular...because like they totally cost more money and junk"Edited by Kaide on January 3, 2015 7:59PM1 -
miahq✭✭✭Ourorboros wrote: »Is there anybody or his mother that hasn't posted on this topic yet. This is really starting to feel like.....BEATING A DEAD HORSE
Yes...I've yet to see an Elder Scrolls Online staff member post about this topic. Gee Wiz Batman I wonder why?
Most of their posts I've seen revolve around friendly trolling and marketing. The general response I've seen to most things on this forum have been to say nothing. Regardless, if they were planning to move b2p they'd be stupid to say anything one way or the other.
Saying yes, that's where it's moving now would be disastrous considering they're current attempt to rebrand. And saying no, don't be silly would just set them up for countless new threads about how they're liars if they do decide to go b2p at some point in down the road.0 -
Cody✭✭✭✭✭
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Imagine if they remove the 3 month plan in 3 months time without announcing it.
I'd laugh and cry so hard at the same time.
Lol, yeah if that happens it's hard to argue it's not going b2p for the console release. Frankly that would probably lead to my very last forum post, "screw it, I'm out." After that most of my time would probably be spent waiting for the next real elder scrolls game and discouraging anyone from wasting their money on the console. Also sage and firor would pretty much become poison for me, as in if I saw their names on another game I'd probably run the other way because the association in my mind would be 'train wreck.' ... That's assuming they don't do it with the champion system before that. So far the fact that they've been marketing it to us like crazy, but refusing to answer many questions at the same time, isn't very comforting. Not to mention that what they have shown us in trying to sell it as so great is just a stripped down version of the legacy system from swtor. Why should I be impressed by that?
And that's a sentiment that a lot of people seem to share it seems... not to put too much pressure on them.
As I stated in another reply above.....
I don't understand why people would leave the game if it goes Buy to Play when Buy to Play games have much higher scores on average from their players on voting sites like Metacritic. The games actually do BETTER...you are defending a game with one of the lowest MMORPG scores on all of the review sites. Wake up man...they need a change. I welcome Buy to Play. Guild Wars 2 has an amazing Buy to Play system....and almost a perfect score on every review site. Too many ESO fan boys here blinded by ignorance.
I myself don't give a f*** what metacritic or some other review site says about a video game. There are games that have received high scores that I have hated, and there are games that have received low scores that I have loved.
you can't judge a game solely based on what some random reviewer/review site gives it, if you do then you are ignorant and a tool. You have to judge something for yourself. Everyone has different tastes and different opinions. you can't fully rely on what people(whom by the way you don't even know) say about something and use that as a basis to decide if you like something.
ESO does likely have low scores, but most people here don't give a crap. Lot's of people love this game, and they play it despite what metacritic or Angry Joe says about it. This game could have received a Zero and I would still play it. Same for many other people
Edited by Cody on January 3, 2015 8:03PM1 -
Wizzo91✭✭✭✭✭Ourorboros wrote: »Is there anybody or his mother that hasn't posted on this topic yet. This is really starting to feel like.....BEATING A DEAD HORSE
Yes...I've yet to see an Elder Scrolls Online staff member post about this topic. Gee Wiz Batman I wonder why? Why so secretive? This post has way more views than 99% of the posts on the first several pages of the forums..but no ESO employees have replied with a confirmation on anything. Why so many views? BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE CURIOUS AND WANT TO KNOW! It is also funny that... posts with LESS VIEWS and LESS REPLIES get responded to by ESO staff members.
I agree - it is very suspicious. Why don't they just give us an answer that it is not planned at the moment.
The two other possibilities are that they are still in the decision process or have already decided what to do - and trust me they won't make this official on the forums.Ourorboros wrote: »Is there anybody or his mother that hasn't posted on this topic yet. This is really starting to feel like.....BEATING A DEAD HORSE
Yes...I've yet to see an Elder Scrolls Online staff member post about this topic. Gee Wiz Batman I wonder why?
Most of their posts I've seen revolve around friendly trolling and marketing. The general response I've seen to most things on this forum have been to say nothing. Regardless, if they were planning to move b2p they'd be stupid to say anything one way or the other.
Saying yes, that's where it's moving now would be disastrous considering they're current attempt to rebrand. And saying no, don't be silly would just set them up for countless new threads about how they're liars if they do decide to go b2p at some point in down the road.
Very easy solution: "It is not planned before console release - but we can't rule it out in the future".Edited by Wizzo91 on January 3, 2015 8:06PM[EU]
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Kaide✭✭✭Ourorboros wrote: »Is there anybody or his mother that hasn't posted on this topic yet. This is really starting to feel like.....BEATING A DEAD HORSE
Yes...I've yet to see an Elder Scrolls Online staff member post about this topic. Gee Wiz Batman I wonder why?
Most of their posts I've seen revolve around friendly trolling and marketing. The general response I've seen to most things on this forum have been to say nothing. Regardless, if they were planning to move b2p they'd be stupid to say anything one way or the other.
Saying yes, that's where it's moving now would be disastrous considering they're current attempt to rebrand. And saying no, don't be silly would just set them up for countless new threads about how they're liars if they do decide to go b2p at some point in down the road.
So let me get this straight....you are telling me that I put them between a rock and hard place with my post?Edited by Kaide on January 3, 2015 8:02PM2 -
Cody✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I myself doubt it will go B2P
If it does though, I will very likely un-sub and go back to WoW.
and no, none of you can have my stuff if I do; I plan to either destroy everything I have or give it all to some random low level player.
You will unsub if it goes Buy to Play?
I'd pay money to see you try.
Oh I would leave if it did. I would go back to WoW
I will expect to receive your bet when I do if it comes down to it.Edited by Cody on January 3, 2015 8:04PM0 -
Kaide✭✭✭Ourorboros wrote: »Is there anybody or his mother that hasn't posted on this topic yet. This is really starting to feel like.....BEATING A DEAD HORSE
Yes...I've yet to see an Elder Scrolls Online staff member post about this topic. Gee Wiz Batman I wonder why? Why so secretive? This post has way more views than 99% of the posts on the first several pages of the forums..but no ESO employees have replied with a confirmation on anything. Why so many views? BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE CURIOUS AND WANT TO KNOW! It is also funny that... posts with LESS VIEWS and LESS REPLIES get responded to by ESO staff members.
I agree - it is very suspicious. Why don't they just give us an answer that it is not planned at the moment.
The two other possibilities are that they are still in the decision process or have already decided what to do - and trust me they won't make this official on the forums.
I personally think they have already made the decision and will announce in commercials that you can play ESO on XBOX One and PS4 without a subscription. That will be part of the marketing. Then VERY QUIETLY take subscriptions away from PC users.0 -
miahq✭✭✭Ourorboros wrote: »Is there anybody or his mother that hasn't posted on this topic yet. This is really starting to feel like.....BEATING A DEAD HORSE
Yes...I've yet to see an Elder Scrolls Online staff member post about this topic. Gee Wiz Batman I wonder why?
Most of their posts I've seen revolve around friendly trolling and marketing. The general response I've seen to most things on this forum have been to say nothing. Regardless, if they were planning to move b2p they'd be stupid to say anything one way or the other.
Saying yes, that's where it's moving now would be disastrous considering they're current attempt to rebrand. And saying no, don't be silly would just set them up for countless new threads about how they're liars if they do decide to go b2p at some point in down the road.
So let me get this straight....you are telling me that I put them between a rock and hard place with my post?
Lol, you've got to at least admit, there's no real easy way for them to answer that, especially if the option is still on the table as a possibility to make the console release work0 -
Kaide✭✭✭I myself doubt it will go B2P
If it does though, I will very likely un-sub and go back to WoW.
and no, none of you can have my stuff if I do; I plan to either destroy everything I have or give it all to some random low level player.
You will unsub if it goes Buy to Play?
I'd pay money to see you try.
Oh I would leave if it did. I would go back to WoW
I will expect to receive your bet when I do if it comes down to it.
I can't stop laughing....
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Cody✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I myself doubt it will go B2P
If it does though, I will very likely un-sub and go back to WoW.
and no, none of you can have my stuff if I do; I plan to either destroy everything I have or give it all to some random low level player.
You will unsub if it goes Buy to Play?
I'd pay money to see you try.
Oh I would leave if it did. I would go back to WoW
I will expect to receive your bet when I do if it comes down to it.
I can't stop laughing....
neither can I1 -
xaade✭✭✭Moving from P2P to F2P is a failure.
Because F2P benefits the most from rotating players and having a steady stream of new players that will all end up buying the same stuff.
P2P benefits the most from long-retention players.
If you make the move, it means you failed to accomplish the goal of P2P, which is long retention.
If you start off as a F2P, that's different. This is because you designed the game from the start with player rotation in mind. This means you don't design as much end-game content, or use pseudo end game, like advancing player class and restarting at low level (Ragnarok anyone). If you retained players with a grindfest game, all you have to do is add more grindfest, so new game plus. Or you can create a game where advancement is less of a priority, like PlanetSide.
If you design a game like WoW, where endgame matters more, and can't provide the endgame to support the player retention, then you failed.0 -
xaade✭✭✭Actually B2P makes a lot of sense if 1.6 coincides with console release.
Diablo 3 works fine on console with the B2P model.
FFXIV players are frustrated with having to pay 2 subscriptions. Unlike PS3, in order to play games online they have to have a Plus account. So, if ESO charged a sub on the consoles we'd see some backlash.
However, if console were B2P and PC were still sub, the only thing they could do would be to shrug and say, console players can't mod. Um.... yeah.
Could they possibly lower the sub price? Plus is only $50 a year. Which is just over $4 a month. But XBOX is only $40 a year. Which is even less.
Could we see $5 sub prices? Possibly. But that's going to hurt development, and I still want to see thieves' guild and dark brotherhood, at minimum. Which isn't more content.
But it would be a shame to leave the game map so bare. I mean, we can easily fit 10 more zones.Edited by xaade on January 3, 2015 8:26PM0 -
Wizzo91✭✭✭✭✭Moving from P2P to F2P is a failure.
Because F2P benefits the most from rotating players and having a steady stream of new players that will all end up buying the same stuff.
P2P benefits the most from long-retention players.
If you make the move, it means you failed to accomplish the goal of P2P, which is long retention.
If you start off as a F2P, that's different. This is because you designed the game from the start with player rotation in mind. This means you don't design as much end-game content, or use pseudo end game, like advancing player class and restarting at low level (Ragnarok anyone). If you retained players with a grindfest game, all you have to do is add more grindfest, so new game plus. Or you can create a game where advancement is less of a priority, like PlanetSide.
If you design a game like WoW, where endgame matters more, and can't provide the endgame to support the player retention, then you failed.
Exactly. Also the community will totally change after moving from P2P to B2P/F2P.[EU]
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Ourorboros✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭PC/NA/DCBreton Sorcerer Maester.White - BB meets GoT >Master Crafter< { 9 Traits completed 4/23/15 }
TANSTAAFL--->There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.....Robert Heinlein
Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea....Heinlein
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears...in...rain. Time to die. "Blade Runner"
ESO: the game you hate to love and love to hate....( >_<) May RNG be with you (*,_,*)2 -
miahq✭✭✭
If you design a game like WoW, where endgame matters more, and can't provide the endgame to support the player retention, then you failed.
This honestly is what baffles me the most as to why they abandoned so much of the ES format in preference for the WoW format, because elder scrolls games have one of the simplest yet engrossing end of game experiences I've ever seen. They just give you a giant world and people are perfectly content to just explore it. That's all there is to it. And people are still playing!
If they'd built the map more like a traditional rpg sandbox instead of the typical MMO sandbox, and given us even a third of the continent people would be exploring it for years and they'd largely be content. You wouldn't need to release big expansions every few months because people would've been largely content to just buddy up and spend the next two years exploring the world you gave them.
Frankly I wish they'd do that now, start filling in the map instead of using the blank spots as a means for endless expansions of dungeon crawls.0
