The real problem with Cadwells Silver and Gold

Guppet · December 2014

Firstly please understand this is not meant in a deadly serious way. But may help people to accept (though probably not) loosing all the Cadwell Silver and Gold (and all the opposing faction quests)progress.

First you have to ask yourself one thing. What is Cadwells Silver and Gold?

It is Cadwell allowing you to experience what could have happened if you had woken up in another factions zone rather than your own.

The whole thing is infact a what could have been dream type thing. It never actually happens.

So there you go, you now know why you have no progress from it, it never happened :P

Heck 1.6 could launch with a cut scene of you waking up to Cadwell, with him saying "Dude, you have been out for ages, thought we lost you there"

Kaliki · December 2014

Perhaps your first faction was also a dream and in reality your mortal shell lies delirious and dying on the altar in Coldharbour.

How about a reset to lvl 0?

MornaBaine · December 2014

The whole thing is incredibly contrived and ridiculous. Even worse, dye achievements and other unique rewards are tied to doing these areas. I REALLY want to see Silver and Gold just go away...but they darn well better cjange the achievements as well.

Merlin13KAGL · December 2014

MornaBaine wrote: »

The whole thing is incredibly contrived and ridiculous. Even worse, dye achievements and other unique rewards are tied to doing these areas. I REALLY want to see Silver and Gold just go away...but they darn well better cjange the achievements as well.

I don't know that it will go away, but they do intend to revamp Silver and Gold and the linear progression it entails.

I actually thought the 'reason' behind the implementation (lore wise) was fairly ingenious.

How do you completely break a lore/alliance/storyline without breaking a lore/alliance/storyline.

It's nice (in a way) in that it lets you experience the other factions. It suck, in a way, because it kind of defeats the purpose behind starting an alt in another faction.

Guppet · December 2014

Heck 1.6 could launch with a cut scene of you waking up to Cadwell, with him saying "Dude, you have been out for ages, thought we lost you there"

Cuyler · December 2014

Who is this Caldwell character and what has he done with all the silver and gold?!

MornaBaine · December 2014

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

The whole thing is incredibly contrived and ridiculous. Even worse, dye achievements and other unique rewards are tied to doing these areas. I REALLY want to see Silver and Gold just go away...but they darn well better cjange the achievements as well.

I don't know that it will go away, but they do intend to revamp Silver and Gold and the linear progression it entails.

I actually thought the 'reason' behind the implementation (lore wise) was fairly ingenious.

How do you completely break a lore/alliance/storyline without breaking a lore/alliance/storyline.

It's nice (in a way) in that it lets you experience the other factions. It suck, in a way, because it kind of defeats the purpose behind starting an alt in another faction.

It was only "ingenious" in that it gave them a flimsy excuse to recycle content and not have to do a single lick of work to alter it. What Cadwell's SHOULD be is yoru character now secretly venturing into enemy lands to further your faction's aims. And yes, that means all new quests.

Akhratos · December 2014

What I find moronic about Silver/Gold mainly is that you "experience" an alter-reality where you get to another faction zone instead of yours where:

- There is not a single player from that faction. So you are a Nord making DC silver and everyplayer around you is an EP. That does not fit very well.
- You go there to know that the most important thing is to stay together in order to defeat Molag Bal, but then you dont get to do Coldharbour and Molag Bal battle again. Instead, you are basically an EP at the service of both the DC and AD monarchs.
- It actually kills any kind of expectation to run alts from other factions. Why should I? When I finished Silver/Gold with my main char (EP), the most recent content I made was AD>DC>EP, so making a non-EP alt is even more boring.
- Whats up with that reward??????

Merlin13KAGL · December 2014

MornaBaine wrote: »

It was only "ingenious" in that it gave them a flimsy excuse to recycle content and not have to do a single lick of work to alter it. What Cadwell's SHOULD be is yoru character now secretly venturing into enemy lands to further your faction's aims. And yes, that means all new quests.

I just meant from the aspect of:

The way they explain being inches from your enemy without it completely dislodging reality as they know it.

Agreed, I was hopeful it would be different quest material, just as the Vet Dungeons offer a different storyline/situation that the regular dungeons do.

They could have gotten triple the content and had more replayability, as there would be three completely different stories each through three complete alliance zones.

PSLAnimal · December 2014

See, this is why they should have had Burl Ives voice Cadwell.

http://youtu.be/azcj749wMIU

eventide03b14a_ESO · December 2014

Guppet wrote: »

Firstly please understand this is not meant in a deadly serious way. But may help people to accept (though probably not) loosing all the Cadwell Silver and Gold (and all the opposing faction quests)progress.

First you have to ask yourself one thing. What is Cadwells Silver and Gold?

It is Cadwell allowing you to experience what could have happened if you had woken up in another factions zone rather than your own.

The whole thing is infact a what could have been dream type thing. It never actually happens.

So there you go, you now know why you have no progress from it, it never happened :P

Heck 1.6 could launch with a cut scene of you waking up to Cadwell, with him saying "Dude, you have been out for ages, thought we lost you there"

The problem with Cadwell silver and gold? This game should be a sandbox not themepark.

Etori · December 2014

I for one, love the Silver/Gold quests. As someone who isn't a hardcore gamer anymore who has time to roll endless alts, it is great to be able to focus on my main, and yet still get to see the entire game.

SFBryan18 · December 2014

I just got to silver, and I don't want to play the story from the same person. I wish I could roll an alt, and get credit for completion of these quests on all my characters so I would not need to play them again. I believe there should be an option to tie alts together so they can have the same achievements, quests completed, locations discovered, etc. It will be interesting to see what the new champion system does, but It probably won't solve this dilemma and if I roll an alt, my main character will be lacking in skill points because I did not travel through the entire map. I plan to create an alt for each faction, and each will have different race, class, and skills. This way I can play a diverse game and experience more, but it will be a shame that my main character will have a skill disadvantage in the end because I wanted to play the other factions the way they were meant to be played.

RDMyers65b14_ESO · December 2014

PSLAnimal wrote: »

See, this is why they should have had Burl Ives voice Cadwell.

The only problem is that he been dead for years. John Cleas is at least still alive.

Samadhi · December 2014

My main character is a Bosmer that rebelled against the Dominion and joined Daggerfall Covenant. After escaping from Coldharbour, she was fortunate to return to Covenant lands.

Being sent on an imaginary trip through what life would have been like if she woke up back on the Sumerset Isles and suddenly decided to help the Dominion doesn't really do it for me.

Would have preferred a more well-thought-out story-line that included invading enemy lands.

It is unfortunate that the Champion System will not actually be changing that aspect of it, but at least it should supposedly be remedying the linear progression of the zones.

AngryNord · December 2014

You people DO remember why Cadwell's Gold and Silver was introduced to the game, right? Originally, endgame was supposed to be PvP, that's it. Veteran ranks would be gained by advancing in PvP. Then the beta testers started complaining, they didn't want to do PvP, or wanted something else to do in addition, or they wanted to be able to do everything in the game with the same character - and so we got Cadwell's Silver and Cadwell's Gold...

PSLAnimal · December 2014

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

PSLAnimal wrote: »

See, this is why they should have had Burl Ives voice Cadwell.

The only problem is that he been dead for years. John Cleas is at least still alive.

Hey, with modern computer sound-mixing, anything is possible.

I don't know who John Cleas is, but John Cleese is indeed alive.

Sindala · December 2014

AngryNord wrote: »

You people DO remember why Cadwell's Gold and Silver was introduced to the game, right? Originally, endgame was supposed to be PvP, that's it. Veteran ranks would be gained by advancing in PvP. Then the beta testers started complaining, they didn't want to do PvP, or wanted something else to do in addition, or they wanted to be able to do everything in the game with the same character - and so we got Cadwell's Silver and Cadwell's Gold...

Well that's a problem on their side. Not planning a proper End game before release and thinking it would take players months to reach End game instead of the Days it actually took.
PvP was / is never enough on it's own unless it's open world PvP. They should have known this by.....well every other game ever released that tried to be solely PvP and failed.

If it could be done it would have been done by now and those developers would be rolling on beds of gold with about 70% of ALL online players craving a PvP only game (that's actually good).

No they brought all of this on themselves as they knew the game wasn't ready for launch but went ahead with a half finished game anyway.

Athas24 · December 2014

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

It's nice (in a way) in that it lets you experience the other factions. It suck, in a way, because it kind of defeats the purpose behind starting an alt in another faction.

I agree. I made alts when I started the game to play other factions. I never thought I'd be running through the exact same quests on my primary toon. It would be neat to go to the other factions for completely Different quests tied to your character just as a spy or running around helping in some way off and on when a greater threat comes about after the Cold Harbor business is done and you are a vet character. As it is its monotonous and has me pretty bored.

Psychobunni · December 2014

Put me down in the 30% that doesn't crave pvp, and dang sure doesn't crave a pvp only game.

PVP is a nice 'addition' but I'd unsub in a heartbeat if it were forced or the only option to play.

Edit: I've never seen a poll on here even that had a 70% pvp only to 30%pve only

Sindala · December 2014

Psychobunni wrote: »

Put me down in the 30% that doesn't crave pvp, and dang sure doesn't crave a pvp only game.

PVP is a nice 'addition' but I'd unsub in a heartbeat if it were forced or the only option to play.

Edit: I've never seen a poll on here even that had a 70% pvp only to 30%pve only

Was meaning ALL online players of games not just ESO. Most of us crave a good PvP game but know it will never happen. Human nature dictates it cannot happen.

PSLAnimal · December 2014

Sindala wrote: »

Most of us crave a good PvP game

Evidence?

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · December 2014

This one loves Cadwell's Silver and Gold as well, since he will never have a ALT / character in anything but the Dominion...For the Queen....

Woolenthreads · December 2014

MornaBaine wrote: »

dye achievements and other unique rewards are tied to doing these areas.

If you do the other factions with an Alt you get the dyes tied to the factions across the account, so I don't understand the problem, obviously.