People with 2+V14 characters don't deserve more CP than someone with 1 V14

Lukeh Shadyvale · December 2014

This is a simple opinion but with the amount of grinding there has been and still is. Having 8 v14 characters is to me no surprise. If however on the off chance you've sat there everyday completing every quest, discovering every zone with an hours sleep a night on each and every character then yes you deserve a lot of CP reimbursed to you.

But if you've spent 3 months grinding, not really exploring, or playing and just repeatedly killing dungeon bosses until L50 before moving on to Craglorn grind groups... On all your characters then no you don't even deserve the toilet paper sorcerers are currently crying into.

The most LOYAL players and please stop throwing this word around to the mass grinders you're not loyal just lazy exploiters. Loyal players are the ones who play the game with its intent at heart. The role play, the lore, the exploration, the ones who have pretty much explored the entirety of the available Tamriel. The PvP players who don't emp trade or lag bomb, the ones in Craglorn who spend hours finding a group just to do a couple dungeons. Those to me are loyal players because they actually work hard in Tamriel to further their characters.

If you have a single v14 character who has actually been through the game and is left with nothing but reruns of trials, undaunted and pvp left. Then you deserve the most CP, even if you managed to get 2 v14 fully explored completed achievements the lot you should get a lot of that too.

But don't complain about not getting your 3600 CP points just because you grinded a bunch of vet characters breaking the balance. That's on you. Consider it a slap on the wrist for being a bad resident of Tamriel.

TLDR:
People with grinded V14 characters are not loyal players. And deserve the kick in the nads this champion system is giving them.
The loyal players are the ones who have played the game fully without the need to grind and exploit. And played on a single/couple characters the longest

yodased · December 2014

My personal opinion is that those that specifically grinded out xp on exploits because they felt they would get a better start than the rest of the players are the reason there is 30 champion points being doled out in the first place.

Lukeh Shadyvale · December 2014

yodased wrote: »

My personal opinion is that those that specifically grinded out xp on exploits because they felt they would get a better start than the rest of the players are the reason there is 30 champion points being doled out in the first place.

I assumed it was because the original like 14k CP system was way to over the top that dulling it down to 3600 they realised through XP tracking that a lot of players had already maxed it, thus ruining the post progression point of be champion system...

onlinegamer1 · December 2014

Its actually opposite: The people with only 1 VR 1 don't deserve any starting CPs at all.

You can start with 0.

Merlin13KAGL · December 2014

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

Its actually opposite: The people with only 1 VR 1 don't deserve any starting CPs at all.

You can start with 0.

And they could just as easily start everyone at zero.

It should be based on (in game) time played, not method or rate of gain.

An hour of one person's time is not worth any more or less than an hour of another, and last I checked, we all pay the same rate.

My VR14 has the bonus of being VR14. That alone is sufficient.

There is no middle ground that is going to make everyone happy. That's the simple truth of it all.

Lukeh Shadyvale · December 2014

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

An hour of one person's time is not worth any more or less than an hour of another, and last I checked, we all pay the same rate.

Yes we do all pay the same rate, but we're not paying for CP, we're paying for time in the game, how we choose to use that time is up to us to waste or for us to gain. I don't think one person dancing on the table of The Watch House inn for an hour deserves the same amount of CP as someone working towards cutting off Molag Bal's.

Inklings · December 2014

The fact that we are advocating one way to play the game is more legit then an another, shows that people really do not understand how these games work and have worked for for the last 2 decades. Grinding has always been a part of MMOs and always will be.

Also the idea that people think CP should be based of play time is absurd. I do a pretty mean /danceredguard, but to think standing on a table at in inn doing this deserves the same amount of CP as people questing, pvping or grinding is just silly.

The bottom line is when 1.6 goes live, grinding somthing will be the most efficient way to gain CP. Punishing people for doing this pre 1.6 after telling them the xp would be tracked and rewarded is wrong.

eliisra · December 2014

What makes people think someone with multiple VR14 automatically gained more exp than others and therefore (should) get more CP?

I have 4 characters at VR12-14, but I know multiple players with only one character AND way more gaming hours invested. They have without a doubt accumulated more exp than me.They did PvP, achievements, trials, dungeons, leveling skills, quest and so on, using one characters. While I leveled alts.

I'm generally fine with the 30 CP. But I do feel that someone with at least one VR14 should get slightly more than someone with only one VR1. Seeing how massive and time-consuming the grind between VR1-14 is, awarding the same amount is unfair. Than there's the issue of how capped players lack solo content, maybe even group content if Craglorn is completed. This while a VR1 has almost a dozen regions ahead of him (if we count upper and lower crag).

Joy_Division · December 2014

Lukeh Shadyvale wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

An hour of one person's time is not worth any more or less than an hour of another, and last I checked, we all pay the same rate.

Yes we do all pay the same rate, but we're not paying for CP, we're paying for time in the game, how we choose to use that time is up to us to waste or for us to gain. I don't think one person dancing on the table of The Watch House inn for an hour deserves the same amount of CP as someone working towards cutting off Molag Bal's.

LOL. I see. All playing time is equal, but some playing time is more equal than others.

Zorgon_The_Revenged · December 2014

I agree with the OP, in some ways.

And if ZoS hadn't told us of the change I would have carried on levelling my VR10 and (at the rate which I was levelling through questing and PvP) would have had a 2nd VR14 character on my account way before 1.6 hit the PTS.

But all this has made me feel like a one legged man who has been told by doctors "We'll level things out, don't panic", then they chop his other leg off instead of giving him a prosthetic leg.

grimsfield · December 2014

Agree with OP. You could have 1 max level character and have 65 days /played while someone else could have 4 alts only have 8 days /played. Would you still say the guy who has more alts deserves more CP? Because I certainly would not. Lets take it further to say the guy with the one character has done almost everything in the game, while the guy with 4 characters has really barely scratched the surface because the bulk of what he's done is sit in front of an instantly respawning boss and not truly learned to play his characters. So you have 1 guy with 1 character who truly knows how to play the game and then you have 1 guy with 4 who doesn't know anything about any of his alts. Do you still think the guy with 8 days /played should get more cp?

edit : misread OPs post.

TequilaFire · December 2014

While I agree VR14>VR1 and should be allocated a fair amount more CP,
since CP are account wide I would only ask for my VR14 allocation 1 time
for all alts to share.

I do not believe I should get VR14 CP x multiple VR14s because that would make for a lot of unbalance.

Inklings · December 2014

grimsfield wrote: »

Disagree with OP. You could have 1 max level character and have 65 days /played while someone else could have 4 alts only have 8 days /played. Would you still say the guy who has more alts deserves more CP? Because I certainly would not.

If those 4 alts have more XP then yes they do! These games are determined by xp parameters. NOT time played!

RSram · December 2014

I disagree also. I also disagree with the CP being spread account wide. CP earned by a character should only be used by that character. I just don't get this at all.