If CP system is a system of diminishing returns ...

Razzak · December 2014

... what are the chances that those first 30 points will give the same value as the rest 3000+ ?
Let's say first 30 CPs bring you an increase of 5% of something. How many points do you need to further increase that same something for another 5%? In diminishing return systems, that value usually becomes very, very little, very fast.

ThatHappyCat · December 2014

Impossible to answer, because diminishing returns only kick in if you try to pump a passive. If you spread your passives out evenly you would be much less affected than someone who tries to overspecialise.

In other words, it's up to you.

Huggernaut · December 2014

I very much doubt the point values will erode that fast, there are too many trees, with too many points to spread around for that to happen.

However, with that being said, I don't think it will take very long for the values to diminish quickly. I'd say within the first 500 points for sure.

So that is 470 points to gather at 4hours a pop (roughly) which equals 78 full days @ 24hrs a day to gather said points.

I am sure that value will be lower of course with some enlightenment spent (1hr per point), and once people have figured out how to game the system for maximum efficiency.

Still, I don't see it taking longer than 2 full months before the rift is vast and wide between hardcores and casuals.

Guppet · December 2014

I did some very basic math on this. The below shows the benefit of each point put into a single passive.
1 1
2 0.9
3 0.81
4 0.729
5 0.6561
6 0.59049
7 0.531441
8 0.4782969
9 0.43046721
10 0.387420489
11 0.34867844
12 0.313810596
13 0.282429536
14 0.254186583
15 0.228767925
16 0.205891132
17 0.185302019
18 0.166771817
19 0.150094635
20 0.135085172
21 0.121576655
22 0.109418989
23 0.09847709
24 0.088629381
25 0.079766443

So after 25 points in a passive (no idea how high they will let it go), you only gain 0.079% compared to 1% at the first point.

They did mention that you loose 10% at each increase didn't they? I don't think I imagined that, I could have though.

So comparing power on different points is easy-
5 4.0951
10 6.513215599
15 7.941088679
20 8.784233454
25 9.282102012
30 9.576088417
35 9.74968445
40 9.852191171
45 9.912720364
50 9.948462248

So practically no increase from 25-50.

I went down to 0.000104496% at 88 points, then my excel sheet said enough of that.

Tavore1138 · December 2014

Based on that assumption in the rate of decline the 100th point on any give tree would become almost literally worthless unless the perks gained are very good.

I would suspect if they did give a specific figure it will have been as an example rather than as an accurate calculation we can use - they have not exactly been open and honest about numbers on this subject so far so there is little reason to assume any numerical information will bear much resemblance to reality.

My own assumption based loosely on what they said (which may or may not have been true or subject to future total reversal) is that the perks for hitting various levels in a tree will essentially be quite powerful so whereas you might only get 0.001% stat benefit for the 100th point you might also gain a perk which kicks behind.