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I want to understand siege damage on keeps
lygerseye
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Long story short: I tried to solo-siege a keep. I successfully got a part of the outer down below 50% (42%, actually), but it didn't flag; it didn't cut off the transitus links. What other criteria are there for flagging a keep?
Short story long: Opposing faction was busy trying to take a scroll and had emptied out this particular keep (Chalman/Thornblade), except for a few players. I wanted to try and cut off their reinforcements so I set up my ballista at the NW corner of the keep and started hammering away. Whenever I saw an enemy, I'd take the ballista down, stealth unil they passed, and pick up where I left off.
Yes, I was hitting the corner of the keep and not a side wall or door. Others have told me that taking down the corner does no good; when it collapses, debris blocks the path so you can't enter the keep. That's fine... Getting inside wasn't my primary goal anyway. But then what's the purpose of allowing significant damage to part of the keep wall when it has no effect on the overall health of the keep?
Short story long: Opposing faction was busy trying to take a scroll and had emptied out this particular keep (Chalman/Thornblade), except for a few players. I wanted to try and cut off their reinforcements so I set up my ballista at the NW corner of the keep and started hammering away. Whenever I saw an enemy, I'd take the ballista down, stealth unil they passed, and pick up where I left off.
Yes, I was hitting the corner of the keep and not a side wall or door. Others have told me that taking down the corner does no good; when it collapses, debris blocks the path so you can't enter the keep. That's fine... Getting inside wasn't my primary goal anyway. But then what's the purpose of allowing significant damage to part of the keep wall when it has no effect on the overall health of the keep?
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✭✭Yeah it has to be an actual wall that would allow you to enter the keep. It does have significance in that that is a great place to hide and to jump off the keep walls and attack the enemy siege. Same reason you can damage the roof of keeps.0 -
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Most of the time the walls are filled with archers so you're more likely to get seen jumping off those walls. If you're fighting inside after the enemy/your group breached the keep, that is a good spot to get out of LOS of someone and get your group together in one spot before going back in. It's as significant as a cubby hole.
I'm going to assume you're AD because 95% of AD doesn't realize you can fight anywhere other than the courtyard, or that if an enemy is attacking you or about to hit you the better option is to move to a spot where they can't hit you instead of trying to headbutt them and die.1 -
Poxheart✭✭✭✭✭I'm going to assume you're DC because 95% of DC doesn't realize you can fight anywhere other than the courtyard, or that if an enemy is attacking you or about to hit you the better option is to move to a spot where they can't hit you instead of trying to headbutt them and die.
Fixed that for you...Edited by Poxheart on December 28, 2014 7:01PMUnsubbed and no longer playing, but still checking the Alliance War forum for the lulz.
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lygerseye✭✭✭✭✭Ignorant comments like your previous one? You didn't know what you were talking about and got told.
Hey, I came here to learn more about seiging. You were doing a good job trying to explain something until you put on your ass-hat and decided to go all ad-hominem/straw man on us. You had a perfect opportunity to educate and instead resorted to childish insults.
In a discussion I was involved in elsewhere on the same topic, the consensus seemed to be that the corners are really just another part of the game's attempt at immersion. The control of resources over time add the corners to the keeps, representing th strength of the ownership. While there is no real strategic advantage of sieging against the corners, it gives the players added realism to the game. Simply put, the corners are for show. Realistically, the attacking faction is really better off focusing it's siege engines on the wall rather than the corner.
Quite the contrast against what you offered above. That was a proper discussion, and everybody learned something from it and no one felt the need to attack the OP or anyone else in the discussion.
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