BOTS STILL EXIST AND ARE RUNNING STRONG!!!!

Darthryan · December 2014

So I saw this player running around and collecting stuff like a not the other day. Then later that day. Then the next and next. Tried talking to him and got a instant message "sorry. I'm busy" 25 different times.

So then I went to the stores and reapers march and noticed that this guy is selling a crap ton of stacks of the same thing everyday. Bots are still here. Don't believeme? Check your stores and look at who is selling stacks and stacks or mats everyday.

I'm calling on all guild leaders to check this out yourselves.

AlexDougherty · December 2014

People have always been selling stacks of mats, it's one of the things that people are always looking to buy (so they can refine and get tempers).

This in itself is not proof.

Now the guy who had a "sorry I'm busy£ message every time you tried to talk to him, he might have had an addon that did that. I know people have mentioned that addons can send mails, so one that replies for you when you don't want to talk (antisocial but within the rules) isn't impossible.

The only people who can say with any certainty whether there are Bots are the GMs. I'm not saying there are none, but I'm also not saying there are either.

And no, I don't sell stuff, so it's not a vested interest.

Darthryan · December 2014

I followed him for many 15 minutes. He moved like a not. I know a lot about bots since I did get banned from wow because of it. So I know how they move. So when they can sell stacks and stacks of hard to find herbs everyday all day. Then that is proof.

Baragorath · December 2014

I believe that you looks for him as BOT as well as you want to steal resources around his farm spot.

He can have weak internet connection that is why he looks for you as BOT.

Is he veteran rank well dressed or lvl1.

Herbs are very expensive nowadays, as so many vet14 online and hard to get them as many farmers around.

Darthryan · December 2014

He was level 10. Trust me he's a bot. Check your stores and the history of sells. I just did and one guy sold 53 stacks of colimbine, bugloss, and moutain flower in two.weeks. not to mention other stacks of other mats.

seneferab16_ESO · December 2014

I have seen them too, and used my guild store sell history (the one you can see through Shopkeeper) as a background for reporting bots as well as gold seller/buyers. It's easy to spot them once you know what to look for.

Some might be legit, but I sincerely doubt mr TotallyNotABot (name made up to prove a point; clever people who run bots do not name them Ajgehjnjnbj) has that big of a fetish for grinding mats that he does that, and nothing but that for his entire playtime. Which seem to span for the entire day, every day. Also, he doesn't seem to need sleep.

You spot a gold seller/buyer by looking at who bought something for a HUGE overprice. Seller is the one who buy the item, buyer is the one who puts it there. Could blame newbies making mistakes because they don't know the true value of things, but newbies don't usually run around spending tens of thousands of gold buying worthless junk put on the store by the exact same seller.

TehMagnus · December 2014

Darthryan wrote: »

So I saw this player running around and collecting stuff like a not the other day. Then later that day. Then the next and next. Tried talking to him and got a instant message "sorry. I'm busy" 25 different times.

So then I went to the stores and reapers march and noticed that this guy is selling a crap ton of stacks of the same thing everyday. Bots are still here. Don't believeme? Check your stores and look at who is selling stacks and stacks or mats everyday.

I'm calling on all guild leaders to check this out yourselves.

Use report feature on the player, he will get investigated & baned by GMs.

Darthryan · December 2014

Ya I notcied totallynotabot as well selling a crap ton of stuff. Like I said we need guild leaders to check their guilds for this kind of behavior.

Darthryan · December 2014

magnusnet wrote: »

Darthryan wrote: »

So I saw this player running around and collecting stuff like a not the other day. Then later that day. Then the next and next. Tried talking to him and got a instant message "sorry. I'm busy" 25 different times.

So then I went to the stores and reapers march and noticed that this guy is selling a crap ton of stacks of the same thing everyday. Bots are still here. Don't believeme? Check your stores and look at who is selling stacks and stacks or mats everyday.

I'm calling on all guild leaders to check this out yourselves.

Use report feature on the player, he will get investigated & baned by GMs.

Oh I did. I have reported people that still are playing to this day

NadiusMaximus · December 2014

Darthryan wrote: »

I know a lot about bots since I did get banned from because of it..

Someone on your turf so you complain here? OK...

Darthryan · December 2014

@NadiusMaximus‌
Opps forgot to put wow in that sentence. I downloaded the archaelogy bot. Got banned a month later and never went back.

NadiusMaximus wrote: »

Darthryan wrote: »

I know a lot about bots since I did get banned from because of it..

Someone on your turf so you complain here? OK...

And check my guild stores for my name. I don't bot this game because its not worth it to me. I have enough gold just from random stuff I do. Plus it would be dumb for me to complain about botting and have people start seeing all these people in their guild stores and draw attention to myself.

pppontus · December 2014

Darthryan wrote: »

magnusnet wrote: »

Darthryan wrote: »

So I saw this player running around and collecting stuff like a not the other day. Then later that day. Then the next and next. Tried talking to him and got a instant message "sorry. I'm busy" 25 different times.

So then I went to the stores and reapers march and noticed that this guy is selling a crap ton of stacks of the same thing everyday. Bots are still here. Don't believeme? Check your stores and look at who is selling stacks and stacks or mats everyday.

I'm calling on all guild leaders to check this out yourselves.

Use report feature on the player, he will get investigated & baned by GMs.

Oh I did. I have reported people that still are playing to this day

You know what.. then they probably aren't bots.

Sharee · December 2014

Just report him for possible botting and let ZOS sort it out.

RSram · December 2014

Report them all and let ZOS sort them out!

AlexDougherty · December 2014

Darthryan wrote: »

I followed him for many 15 minutes. He moved like a not. I know a lot about bots since I did get banned from wow because of it. So I know how they move. So when they can sell stacks and stacks of hard to find herbs everyday all day. Then that is proof.

Well if he's moving around in a manner that is definately botlike, then report him, but be absolutely sure.

AlexDougherty · December 2014

pppontus wrote: »

Darthryan wrote: »

magnusnet wrote: »

Darthryan wrote: »

So I saw this player running around and collecting stuff like a not the other day. Then later that day. Then the next and next. Tried talking to him and got a instant message "sorry. I'm busy" 25 different times.

So then I went to the stores and reapers march and noticed that this guy is selling a crap ton of stacks of the same thing everyday. Bots are still here. Don't believeme? Check your stores and look at who is selling stacks and stacks or mats everyday.

I'm calling on all guild leaders to check this out yourselves.

Use report feature on the player, he will get investigated & baned by GMs.

Oh I did. I have reported people that still are playing to this day

You know what.. then they probably aren't bots.

Agreed, they have banned people for levelling up using botting programmes, so they have means of checking, and are still fighting the good fight.

If someone who was reported isn't banned, then the reporter (correct noun, honest) was probably wrong.

WhiskyBob · December 2014

Well herbs in Hollow City respawn rapidly in same spots all the time, you dont even need a bot program, If i had time and i cared about it i could use simple macro recording tool to record the route.

AlexDougherty · December 2014

WhiskyBob wrote: »

Well herbs in Hollow City respawn rapidly in same spots all the time, you dont even need a bot program, If i had time and i cared about it i could use simple macro recording tool to record the route.

Don't, Macros are against the rules and would get you banned.

Edit~ they say simple Macros, where replicate the action of pressing a button are ok (but since you press a button to use it, why bother), but more complicated Macros are not.

WhiskyBob · December 2014

AlexDougherty wrote: »

WhiskyBob wrote: »

Well herbs in Hollow City respawn rapidly in same spots all the time, you dont even need a bot program, If i had time and i cared about it i could use simple macro recording tool to record the route.

Don't, Macros are against the rules and would get you banned.

Edit~ they say simple Macros, where replicate the action of pressing a button are ok (but since you press a button to use it, why bother), but more complicated Macros are not.

I dont use macros at all. I am against macros. But most of the "best dps in game" use them, if you are telling me someone deals 2,1k single target dps without help of macros for perfect animation cancelling he is just full of guar dung.

I'm just saying that it is *** easy to create such macro for grinding in Hollow City. Or a macro to grind motifs in Rawl'Kha inn.

I used to use macros for EvE online mining but now im smarter

Samadhi · December 2014

Darthryan wrote: »

...Tried talking to him and got a instant message "sorry. I'm busy" 25 different times.
...

Darthryan wrote: »

I followed him for many 15 minutes. ...

You followed him around for 15 minutes and spammed him with 25 messages in that time?
Maybe one day one of these "bots" will be the one reporting you, for harassment.

QuadroTony · December 2014

just FYI - macros are not against the rulers
- its not LineAge, its ESO
- i use macroses in many circumstanses also, not only with farm, but very usefull in PVP also

Armitas · December 2014

What are their prices like? Cause I'd take a bot over these people "selling" bugloss for 2-400 gold a flower.

AlexDougherty · December 2014

QuadroTony wrote: »

just FYI - macros are not against the rulers
- its not LineAge, its ESO
- i use macroses in many circumstanses also, not only with farm, but very usefull in PVP also

You might want to reread the rules, the Mods have said that Macros are only allowed if they replicate a one button action. This means if you use macros for multibutton actions, then you are technically violating the ToS.

Obviously they don't enforce this, but they have stated this several times in the past.

QuadroTony · December 2014

for gather one node of recourse you need only one button+waittimer macros in the loop
as i did every time i need it
so its simple macro, i guess

xMovingTarget · December 2014

WhiskyBob wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

WhiskyBob wrote: »

Well herbs in Hollow City respawn rapidly in same spots all the time, you dont even need a bot program, If i had time and i cared about it i could use simple macro recording tool to record the route.

Don't, Macros are against the rules and would get you banned.

Edit~ they say simple Macros, where replicate the action of pressing a button are ok (but since you press a button to use it, why bother), but more complicated Macros are not.

I dont use macros at all. I am against macros. But most of the "best dps in game" use them, if you are telling me someone deals 2,1k single target dps without help of macros for perfect animation cancelling he is just full of guar dung.

I'm just saying that it is *** easy to create such macro for grinding in Hollow City. Or a macro to grind motifs in Rawl'Kha inn.

I used to use macros for EvE online mining but now im smarter

Dependend on the boss i can do that without macros. And i know other players whixj can do that too, without macros. Thats what we call skill you know

SFBryan18 · December 2014

More pathetic behavior from the so called "PC master race". Designing scripts to play for you so you can pretend to be good at the game. For what? Anyone why uses a preset combination of buttons to play the game at super human efficiency is a cheater.

Elsonso · December 2014

Darthryan wrote: »

So I saw this player running around and collecting stuff like a not the other day. Then later that day. Then the next and next. Tried talking to him and got a instant message "sorry. I'm busy" 25 different times.

So then I went to the stores and reapers march and noticed that this guy is selling a crap ton of stacks of the same thing everyday. Bots are still here. Don't believeme? Check your stores and look at who is selling stacks and stacks or mats everyday.

I'm calling on all guild leaders to check this out yourselves.

Darthryan wrote: »

I followed him for many 15 minutes. He moved like a not. I know a lot about bots since I did get banned from wow because of it. So I know how they move. So when they can sell stacks and stacks of hard to find herbs everyday all day. Then that is proof.

This brings back memories of the Great Bot Reporting days of April. Wonderful time.

You have not made a compelling case for botting here. The guild store behavior alone can be done without botting software by dedicated collectors. There are other ways to explain selling stacks and stacks of materials over the course of the week that does not require doing anything against the ToS.

You might want to ask yourself whether your guild is run by, or at least has members who are, gold seller website employees. They are undoubtedly in the game and this is what I would expect to see if they were.

Tracing guild sales, while it may be interesting, is hardly evidence of botting.

This brings us to the behavior of the player bot. Running from node to node is not enough, even if they run to the same nodes every time. Making odd movements is not enough, this game has goofy movement to start with and just moving can look like a seizure to someone watching. Repeating the same odd movements running between the same two nodes over the course of several circuits around the zone. That is bot-sign. Unless your bot is on a short leash, that takes longer than 15 minutes.

Back in April, it often took an hour to identify that someone was using automation. They had to pass the same spot and get stuck on the same rock and get unstuck from the rock the same way several times. Whispering is as pointless now as it was back in April. Back in April they just ignored you. Now you get automated responses, which still tells you nothing. At least they could have the courtesy to respond "Away from the keyboard while my botting software collects mats"

In any case, without naming people, tell us what zone you saw your bot in, and on what server.

Edit: removed double quote

dharbert · December 2014

AlexDougherty wrote: »

QuadroTony wrote: »

just FYI - macros are not against the rulers
- its not LineAge, its ESO
- i use macroses in many circumstanses also, not only with farm, but very usefull in PVP also

You might want to reread the rules, the Mods have said that Macros are only allowed if they replicate a one button action. This means if you use macros for multibutton actions, then you are technically violating the ToS.

Obviously they don't enforce this, but they have stated this several times in the past.

Yes, using macros to animation cancel is cheating according to ZOS. They stated this in the October guild summit.

PSLAnimal · December 2014

Darthryan wrote: »

I don't bot this game because its not worth it to me. I have enough gold just from random stuff I do.

Ah - so you DO bot other games?

How then are you any better than this guy you're complaining about?

Evandus · December 2014

Honestly, I think we have been down to a reasonable population of bots for quite some time now. It's not news really that some are using popular programs to run the game for them when farming mats and xp. I've seen instances of it the entire time (since pre release). Almost all games have them to a degree.

It's when the sheer amount of people using them disrupt the play of others that the alarm need be sounded. At least, that's always been my opinion. Macros seem to be a different subject altogether really.

AshySamurai · December 2014

You can:
1. Be the best in game.
2. Pretend that you're the best.
3. Enjoy time you spend in game.

What the point of using bots?