vortexman11 wrote: »

So I've read on the forums and I've heard in game of a passive heavy armor is going to be receiving that either reduces the cost of skills or returns resources after breaking free. Being someone who actively uses heavy armor in PvP I can honestly say any buff is welcome...but seriously.... are you guys telling me in order to get use out of my heavy armor I'm going to have to purposely get knocked down? Because if that is what everyone is saying then this is the stupidest buff anyone can ever ask for...

I'm just wondering if anyone can clear things up for me or explain how this could be useful in any way..

How are you PVPing if you don't use break free almost constantly?

There are so many CCs in this game. Here's a list of things you break free from in PVP, not intended to be exhaustive)

Stun (invasion, reverberating bash, any initiation from stealth, spear shards)
Knockdown/Knock Up (crystal fragments, volcanic rune, wrecking blow)
Disorient (a variety of bow and sorc abilities)
Fear (mostly nightblade fear)
Negate (one of the most popular abilities in the game: break free allows you to cast while in the negate)

What kind of PVP do you do that you don't encounter these abilities constantly?

vortexman11 wrote: »

Jaerlach wrote: »

vortexman11 wrote: »

So I've read on the forums and I've heard in game of a passive heavy armor is going to be receiving that either reduces the cost of skills or returns resources after breaking free. Being someone who actively uses heavy armor in PvP I can honestly say any buff is welcome...but seriously.... are you guys telling me in order to get use out of my heavy armor I'm going to have to purposely get knocked down? Because if that is what everyone is saying then this is the stupidest buff anyone can ever ask for...

I'm just wondering if anyone can clear things up for me or explain how this could be useful in any way..

How are you PVPing if you don't use break free almost constantly?

There are so many CCs in this game. Here's a list of things you break free from in PVP, not intended to be exhaustive)

Stun (invasion, reverberating bash, any initiation from stealth, spear shards)
Knockdown/Knock Up (crystal fragments, volcanic rune, wrecking blow)
Disorient (a variety of bow and sorc abilities)
Fear (mostly nightblade fear)
Negate (one of the most popular abilities in the game: break free allows you to cast while in the negate)

What kind of PVP do you do that you don't encounter these abilities constantly?

You don't get knocked down when you're in seven pieces of heavy sporting a sword and shield, it just doesn't happen. The only time I would get knocked down is when I'm out of stamina in which case you're not breaking free anyway.

If they won't fix block-casting, most ppl (those running S&B, so most) will be cced only when they won't be blocking, which is when they are out of stam so they can't break free. And HA needs some change to be more viable for pvp. I'd like to see some strong dmg reduction passives than can be used not only as tank, and it's still viable, instead of using 7 LA.

vortexman11 wrote: »

So I've read on the forums and I've heard in game of a passive heavy armor is going to be receiving that either reduces the cost of skills or returns resources after breaking free. Being someone who actively uses heavy armor in PvP I can honestly say any buff is welcome...but seriously.... are you guys telling me in order to get use out of my heavy armor I'm going to have to purposely get knocked down? Because if that is what everyone is saying then this is the stupidest buff anyone can ever ask for...

I'm just wondering if anyone can clear things up for me or explain how this could be useful in any way..

1.6..

Spell resist is also being relocated to heavy armour with health.
So basically armour protects against magic and damage.
The tougher the armour the greater the protection.

Light armour is now aimed at magica and dps instead.
Medium armour CC and stamina.

No more maxed out light armour magic wielders that are invulnerable to damage.
Light armour conventional tanks will be less than effective.

100 percent agree with OP. Sounds very reactive, not very practical.

Galalin wrote: »

Happy thanksgiving Vortex !!!

>:(

I love how you are being given something for free but its terrible and not good enough. Sigh.

Ever been feared by a nighblade? Hold block through that and tell me your reduced cost is a waste of time. I have been knocked down myself and knocked down and stunned plenty of heavy wearers that I'm sure will be happy with the buff.
No, its not making heavy wearers OP... but its a buff that im sure a lot of heavy wearers will welcome and in fights where ur standing there like a pro holding block while a couple of nighblades are chain hysteria-ing u and slapping u to drain ur stam it may make just save ur life.

but yeah i agree its bad and should not be implemented.

vortexman11 wrote: »

Haquor wrote: »

I love how you are being given something for free but its terrible and not good enough. Sigh.

I said any buff is welcome, I just pointed out that this does not seem to be a very practical passive ability unless of course you're being feared 24/7 or negated.

Considering how popular Arena is, you would think that might imply people use break free pretty often.

Being able to have -68% breakfree cost and then get resource cost reductions after doing so actually seems like it could be pretty sweet. It might even save stamina vs blocking a low damage, CCing attack like invasion. You might use more stam blocking it than you use breaking free and getting buffed, and if you are in 7/7 heavy the damage from invasion is negligible.

Gargragrond wrote: »

Getting knocked down is to be avoided as it leaves you open to further attacks. Even if you break free immediately, it does cost some time that would have been better spent for another skill. Anyway, I welcome any boost to heavy .

Imo even now heavy is not so bad in pvp as people tend to believe, I've had good success with it. I think the resource gain via constitution was a good way to address the resource management issues, I just wish the gain would be slightly higher.

I think the answer is that the cooldown on constitution should be lower - like .5s or 1s instead of 2. The concept is good, its just not enough resource coming back.

Teargrants wrote: »

The problem is constitution resource return doesn't even come close to offsetting the increased cost of mag/stam compared to light/med armor. Combine that with how all i need is to hold block with sword & shield in any armor, and how not holding block is instant suicide in any armor, and you see why heavy armor just falls short atm.

Agree, but if the cooldown on constitution was much lower, the return would be a lot higher. You could tune that skill into fixing the problem .. it just needs to fire 2-4x more often, and it would be fine.

I'd love to have some V12-14 soul shine, if that exists.

vortexman11 wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

I listed a bunch of high end heavy gear in a guild store for stupid cheap, because pvpers don't usually buy heavy and pve'ers don't care about impen. I was surprised when a few of them sold right away.....to @vortexman11‌

I've gotta add to my collection! I have like 3 toons full of random sets of heavy armor that I test out now and then.

Just in case: wtb Juggernaut Set, Beckoning Steel Set, & Armor Of Rage set.

I won't mention what you bought from me,but it was ridiculously cheap for those set pieces. You probably literally laughed to see the list price.