question about sorc's in 1.6

Tiitus
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is it true the only buff they seem to be getting is for their pets? if so that's fubar, unless they put in some way to control your pets they will always be useless in dungeon, raids and pvp... ahem! that's at least 60% of the game... replace these abilities with maybe a decent self heal (change coming to surge makes sorc's lose their only self heal and are now pigeon holed into picking up resto for survivability) or a buff, no one will miss them.

would appreciate 1.6 patch notes so i dnt go wasting my time leveling a class thats gonna get shafted. i feel like this is only fair to new and returning players to have that kinda info considering you are pretty much changing how all the classes play.
Edited by Tiitus on December 26, 2014 12:00AM
  • Flaminir
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    Check the other threads on this...

    There are loads of them.... the main one is here:

    forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/143288/fixing-sorceres-in-1-6/p8

    Edited by Flaminir on December 26, 2014 12:14AM
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  • Tiitus
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    Check the other threads on this...

    There are loads of them.... the main one is here:

    forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/143288/fixing-sorceres-in-1-6/p8

    thread didnt help answer my question just a bunch off ppl arguing about whos better at math.

  • Teargrants
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    Right now, one of the top builds in our DPS test has been the Sorcerer pet build, specifically we made a new morph of Daedric Curse to increase the damage pets do, and then you can also get the shield morph that increases damage that pets do, and those things synergize really well. We’ve also made other general improvements, like they look at your critical attacks. We’ve made some tweaks so that build is effective, but not the king of damage.
    Translation: We made pets better, but made sure Crushing Shock weaving is still better.
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    http://tamrielfoundry.com/2014/12/champion-system-qa-pt1/
    http://tamrielfoundry.com/2014/12/champion-system-qa-pt2/

    Someone posted these links in another thread. It mentions some other sorc buffs and would be worth the look, mostly in part 2.
  • OtarTheMad
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    Love the links by the person above me, was going to do the same thing.

    From the Q&A section it seems that the heal in Critical Surge still applies and that it's getting a third morph option. I could be wrong but that's the way it sounded in the Q&A section, the transcript of the Live episode and even the Live episode itself. I think most/all abilities are getting a third morph option maybe? I don't know, like I said... just the way it sounded.

    tamrielfoundry.com/2014/12/champion-system-details/

    Also a good link. If you do a search on the page for the word "Surge" (Ctrl+F) It should bring you down to the Q&A where someone asks about Crit Surge, they mentioned the heal from it. Sounds to me like they're keeping it.
  • Tanis-Stormbinder
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    Until the patch notes drop, we can only hope.
  • Flaminir
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    This a re-post from the link I gave you above.... but to save you trawling through everything (All the info is in that post.... literally everything, but you're right, a few people did start going into maths towards the end of it) it highlights the changes announced so far with the exception of surge... on ESO live they announced TWO morphs for this... Morph1: Same as crit surge now, increase weapon power & the surge heal. Morph 2: Increase both weapon & spell power. There is nothing anywhere about a 3rd morph for this, thats only guesswork at this stage, but they announced the 2 morphs, so think it unlikely that there is a 3rd as they would have said when they were explaining it. (This needs to be read in the context of staff abilities now scaling from spell power NOT weapon power as of update6).

    I don't know if anybody has read the article on Tamriel Foundary today where they did an interview with Eric Wrobel about update 6... the interview was done BEFORE last weeks ESO live so a few questions that came out of that haven't been answered, but there is more info & detail that will affect us poor neglected Sorc's... I've put the highlights in this post:

    "In addition with ability re-balancing, we picked a better ultimate like Dragonknight Standard as an example of where we want Ultimates to be and worked to push other Ultimates to that level of power instead of bringing things down. So some Ultimates will be more powerful in 1.6."

    "We’ve done some cool stuff with Negate. The morph that gave resources back now gives Major Regeneration to everyone in the area, and in addition, we gave it a new Major Buff or Debuff it didn’t have. It’s really good now, Negate’s solid."

    " Like, with the Storm Atronach now gives you and the person who activates the synergy and the Storm Atronach a damage buff, so people are now fighting to press that button."


    "We’ve changed Destructive Touch into a damage over time effect, so now it’s useful to have both going at the same time." Ok... It's not a Sorc specific skill... but we are hardly using those now anyway... we may finally have a DoT we can use! (yeah yeah I know it sthe same for everybody... but at this stage I'm just greatful for anything we can get our hands on!).

    " Are there going to be changes to the Restoration Staff to help balance it more with the Templar Breath of Life ability? We feel that non-Templar healers have a rough time in many fights, so it will be interesting to see what 1.6 brings in that regard.
    EW: The Restoration ability that provides the shield is the ability that supposed to fill that role because it scales up in effectiveness the lower the health the target was. There was a crucial bug that was hurting that where if you recast a damage shield on a target that already had a damage shield, it wouldn’t refresh the value of the damage shield. So if a target had a damage shield value of 200 and it got knocked down to 100, recasting the ability wouldn’t raise it back up to 200. We have gone in and buffed a lot of the weaker used class abilities. For example, the Siphoning Nightblade Ultimate, there is a morph now that heals all your allies when you use it, it also gives them the Major Healing Taken buff, so that’s a really powerful tool that Nightblades have to heal now. We’re looking at having all of the characters fulfill all of the roles."


    " Right now, one of the top builds in our DPS test has been the Sorcerer pet build, specifically we made a new morph of Daedric Curse to increase the damage pets do, and then you can also get the shield morph that increases damage that pets do, and those things synergize really well. We’ve also made other general improvements, like they look at your critical attacks. We’ve made some tweaks so that build is effective, but not the king of damage"

    "We have gone in and buffed a lot of the weaker used class abilities." So even though we are worried after last friday's 'pet-gate'... it sounds like there may have been tweaks to a number of other skills....

    The source is here: tamrielfoundry.com/2014/12/champion-system-qa-pt2/

    Whilst I'm still very very concerned... there was enough here for me to be able to at least buy into the position of 'lets wait till the patch notes are released & see'.
    Edited by Flaminir on December 26, 2014 2:36PM
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  • Tiitus
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    Very helpful information, thank you!
  • Flaminir
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    You're welcome...

    There's a huge amount of hysteria over the sorc changes (Including by me when I 1st heard about the nonsensical surge alteration)...

    ...But there's a few decent sounding changes here, I wouldn't be getting tooooo worried until we see what hits the PTS.

    The rumour mill has gone into overdrive on a lot of threads without any real foundation... lots of guesses, suppositions, and hyperbole.

    At the very least, we are already 3rd in DPS, can't see Templar overtaking us there even in update 6... and a lot of groups only want Sorcs for negate... well negate is being buffed even more now, so they will still want us around for it...

    So the status quo is maintained... even if everything else was a nerf (Which it won't be!).
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