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Rune_Relic✭✭✭✭✭
✭@Tandor you state that players aren't losing the benefits those ranks have accrued and currently you are correct. What players are losing is the experience accrued post VR14.
Additionally, you are failing to consider that many players (even casual such as myself) have been playing on a VR14 for months with nothing now to show for it. Also, many players leveled alts to VR14 with no intention of actively playing them but rather as a means to gain CS points as ZoS stated it would. Therefore to them, that alt holds no benefit regardless of its rank.
Finally, the German mod clearly stated that additional CS points will not be awarded when vet levels are removed; that is not part of the plan. Tell me then, if the champion system is the future progression system for our characters, and our vet exp doesn't count towards it, what will our vet xp count for?
I wouldn't be surprised if there already is a achievement pet in the works for "elder" players. There, enjoy your "reward".
Did he? Did he really say that ?
Or did he say there is no plans to give CS points for xp gained beyond 1.6.
ie. Because you are earning CS points in 1.6 the recorded xp gained isnt relevant to the veteran tally. The recorded XP can stop.
I want somewhere fluent in german to give the whole context of both the question and answer.Edited by Rune_Relic on December 23, 2014 11:15PMAnything that can be exploited will be exploited2 -
Gyudan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Averya_Teira wrote: »After looking over the German thread, I think someone here is correct. Z will be rewarding some Vets with a wolfhound or something. Possibly. Or something else that won't unbalance the game in their view.
But... their own description of the champion system is that the more points you have the less difference each points makes... If they gave the 30 CP + 40 other CP to VR14 who played a lot... what ****ing difference does it make lol... Shouldn't imbalance anything, from their own words...
I think that's what makes this situation even harder to understand for most players. If the champion system had been in place from the start, we'd be in an even worse state of "imbalance".
The whole champion system was designed to keep players closer together and make post-50 progression feel more meaningful. If they already fear that a few hundred points will make a huge difference, what will happen 2 years from now when players reach 2000 and fight players with 100? Will the points be reset every 6 months to make everyone more "equal" and bring "balance"?Wololo.6 -
EQBallzz✭✭✭✭✭
✭People really need to read through the thread and understand the current status of things before they start slinging wild accusations that people are stupid or don't know what they are talking about.
It really does't matter what the rest of the thread says. You will still be rank 14+. If you actually think that they are just going to erase your veteran ranks with no compensation, you're blinded by the gigantic tin foil hat that has fallen over your eyes. Who says they even intend on using CP to compensate veteran ranks when they go away? It would be far easier to just roll your veteran ranks into a level cap increase anyway.
Are you incapable of reading or comprehension? It was clearly stated in the German forums that no additional CP will be awarded after the initial 30 and there is NO CONVERSION of vet XP. What part of that is difficult to understand?1 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@Tandor you state that players aren't losing the benefits those ranks have accrued and currently you are correct. What players are losing is the experience accrued post VR14.
Additionally, you are failing to consider that many players (even casual such as myself) have been playing on a VR14 for months with nothing now to show for it. Also, many players leveled alts to VR14 with no intention of actively playing them but rather as a means to gain CS points as ZoS stated it would. Therefore to them, that alt holds no benefit regardless of its rank.
Finally, the German mod clearly stated that additional CS points will not be awarded when vet levels are removed; that is not part of the plan. Tell me then, if the champion system is the future progression system for our characters, and our vet exp doesn't count towards it, what will our vet xp count for?
I wouldn't be surprised if there already is a achievement pet in the works for "elder" players. There, enjoy your "reward".
I'm not clear that he did say that, but we don't have a clear indication one way or the other.
We also don't have a clear indication of what was meant when he made another point that people seem to want to ignore:-
"But we want to make sure that players who have already completed most of the content , are not disadvantaged in earnings of other points champion."2 -
yodased✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This entire thread boils down to this ideal:
"I DESERVE, nay, am ENTITLED more champion points for x reason"
No, no you don't. You deserve zero things.Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.12 -
xMovingTarget✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@Tandor you state that players aren't losing the benefits those ranks have accrued and currently you are correct. What players are losing is the experience accrued post VR14.
Additionally, you are failing to consider that many players (even casual such as myself) have been playing on a VR14 for months with nothing now to show for it. Also, many players leveled alts to VR14 with no intention of actively playing them but rather as a means to gain CS points as ZoS stated it would. Therefore to them, that alt holds no benefit regardless of its rank.
Finally, the German mod clearly stated that additional CS points will not be awarded when vet levels are removed; that is not part of the plan. Tell me then, if the champion system is the future progression system for our characters, and our vet exp doesn't count towards it, what will our vet xp count for?
I wouldn't be surprised if there already is a achievement pet in the works for "elder" players. There, enjoy your "reward".
I'm not clear that he did say that, but we don't have a clear indication one way or the other.
We also don't have a clear indication of what was meant when he made another point that people seem to want to ignore:-
"But we want to make sure that players who have already completed most of the content , are not disadvantaged in earnings of other points champion."
My native Language is german. He said no additional points. At no point do we get more than 30 CP. Not when 1.6 starts, Not when they ditch the veteran ranks. So no compensation for additional XP and no compesation for Veteran Ranks once they disappear. There you go.
30 points, thats itEdited by xMovingTarget on December 24, 2014 2:15AM3 -
Bloodfang✭✭✭✭✭Personally I'm a casual, I have some VR characters and I don't mind this change.
What did you people expect to get 100s of points out of the gate?
If I was in charge however I'd reward every 4th million XP (basically every 4th VR level) with 1 champion point. That way even the most hardcore players with 8 characters at VR 14, would get max 28 points. It's still something I guess.
However I wouldn't award them till the Champion Phase 4 is in place (by that time 28 points wouldn't have that much value, quite opposite to if they'd be added now from the headstart).Edited by Bloodfang on December 24, 2014 2:18AM2 -
Epsilon_Echo✭✭✭✭This entire thread boils down to this ideal:
"I DESERVE, nay, am ENTITLED more champion points for x reason"
No, no you don't. You deserve zero things.
Imagine you bought skyrim on nov. 11 2011. The Bethesda came in 6 months later and deleted your save file because they wanted to change something and didn't want you to have an advantage over new players who bought the fame on steam sale... I guess you would be fine with that because you're not entitied like the rest of us eh? Not even when they do it twice, because hey, if you can do it once...9 -
yodased✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Didn't answer the actual question:
Bethesda wouldn't ever do that because its a single player game and you being OP has zero to do with anyone else.
If skyrim was a MMO then it wouldn't be skyrim and your point still wouldn't make sense.
Comparing single player games to MMO is always going to fail its not apples vs apples.
When they told us that we werent getting retroactive undaunted points, I guarantee you that I had more than 99.9% of everyone in this game.
It's what it is. It was annoying, I moved on and all is well with the world.
I mean really, who really cares this much about the points inside of a video game.
Edited by yodased on December 24, 2014 2:28AMTl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.8 -
Epsilon_Echo✭✭✭✭I honestly and truly would.
When they told us that we werent getting retroactive undaunted points, I guarantee you that I had more than 99.9% of everyone in this game.
It's what it is. It was annoying, I moved on and all is well with the world.
I mean really, who really cares this much about the points inside of a video game.
Hahahahahaha, so you're standing by it? Well props to you for consistency. But do lead by example and delete your save fIle from your favorite game and come back and tell us how vain we all are. After all, we all need some more preach'n.4 -
Gyudan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Didn't answer the actual question:
Bethesda wouldn't ever do that because its a single player game and you being OP has zero to do with anyone else.
If skyrim was a MMO then it wouldn't be skyrim and your point still wouldn't make sense.
Comparing single player games to MMO is always going to fail its not apples vs apples.
When they told us that we werent getting retroactive undaunted points, I guarantee you that I had more than 99.9% of everyone in this game.
It's what it is. It was annoying, I moved on and all is well with the world.
I mean really, who really cares this much about the points inside of a video game.
When you play a car racing game, you want the best car, the one that offers the best speed, best acceleration and best maniability.
When you play a war strategy game, you want the best economy, the best research and the best army.
When you play a fighting game, you want a character with the best stats, the ones fitting your playstyle and the content you're doing.Wololo.4 -
Averya_Teira✭✭✭✭✭This entire thread boils down to this ideal:
"I DESERVE, nay, am ENTITLED more champion points for x reason"
No, no you don't. You deserve zero things.
They (I use they because I only have a VR4, so I wouldn't get many CPs anyway) do deserve it because the devs said they would be deserving it back in October... Is it so hard to understand ?Didn't answer the actual question:
Bethesda wouldn't ever do that because its a single player game and you being OP has zero to do with anyone else.
If skyrim was a MMO then it wouldn't be skyrim and your point still wouldn't make sense.
Comparing single player games to MMO is always going to fail its not apples vs apples.
When they told us that we werent getting retroactive undaunted points, I guarantee you that I had more than 99.9% of everyone in this game.
It's what it is. It was annoying, I moved on and all is well with the world.
I mean really, who really cares this much about the points inside of a video game.
So, by your statement, the Champion system is already flawed as getting more CPs makes you OP and that's why they don't want to give them retroactively lol... which is what they are trying to avoid with the said system...
Right ?Edited by Averya_Teira on December 24, 2014 2:43AM4 -
Zed✭✭✭Epsilon_Echo wrote: »Imagine you bought skyrim on nov. 11 2011. The Bethesda came in 6 months later and deleted your save file because they wanted to change something and didn't want you to have an advantage over new players who bought the fame on steam sale... I guess you would be fine with that because you're not entitied like the rest of us eh? Not even when they do it twice, because hey, if you can do it once...
A better way to compare Skyrim and ESO would be through Skyrim's last patch. A system was added that allowed character progression to continue after a character had hit the old level cap. Nothing was done to compensate players for the time gap between reaching old cap and the patch but your character wasn't deleted. That's far more similar to the current situation than what you've laid out above.
@yodased is right when he says you can't really compare the two. They are too different.
EDIT: missing wordEdited by Zed on December 24, 2014 5:40AMSpend spend spend! 'Cause you don't know any better.2 -
Averya_Teira✭✭✭✭✭Didn't answer the actual question:
Bethesda wouldn't ever do that because its a single player game and you being OP has zero to do with anyone else.
If skyrim was a MMO then it wouldn't be skyrim and your point still wouldn't make sense.
Comparing single player games to MMO is always going to fail its not apples vs apples.
When they told us that we werent getting retroactive undaunted points, I guarantee you that I had more than 99.9% of everyone in this game.
It's what it is. It was annoying, I moved on and all is well with the world.
I mean really, who really cares this much about the points inside of a video game.Epsilon_Echo wrote: »Imagine you bought skyrim on nov. 11 2011. The Bethesda came in 6 months later and deleted your save file because they wanted to change something and didn't want you to have an advantage over new players who bought the fame on steam sale... I guess you would be fine with that because you're not entitied like the rest of us eh? Not even when they do it twice, because hey, if you can do it once...
A better way to compare Skyrim and ESO would be through Skyrim's last patch. A system was that allowed character progression to continue after a character had hit the old level cap. Nothing was done to compensate players for the time gap between reaching old cap and the patch but your character wasn't deleted. That's far more similar to the current situation than what you've laid out above.
@yodased is right when he says you can't really compare the two. They are too different.
But did Bethesda say a few month ago that people WOULD be compensated in the new system ? Because ZOS did.... in October...
THAT's the difference.
Edited by Averya_Teira on December 24, 2014 2:46AM2 -
yodased✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You are grasping at straws here.
You act like you have some signed contract or that this will really affect your life somehow.
Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.4 -
yodased✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭oh wait, you do have a signed contact, and it says that ZOS can basically do whatever the hell it wants.Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.5 -
Averya_Teira✭✭✭✭✭You are grasping at straws here.
You act like you have some signed contract or that this will really affect your life somehow.
If you read my posts, I said multiple times this DOES NOT affect me I don't have a VR14 character with tons of hours played.
I just hate lying and deception. ZOS has said one thing and done the exact opposite. Makes me quite annoyed at ZOS for this kind of attitude.1 -
EQBallzz✭✭✭✭✭
✭This entire thread boils down to this ideal:
"I DESERVE, nay, am ENTITLED more champion points for x reason"
No, no you don't. You deserve zero things.
If you believe what you say then you also deserve zero things. So ZOS should also not award any CP to anyone else who completes silver/gold (even in the future). That way nobody gets special treatment and everything is fair. If people with multiple vet characters can't benefit from *any* of the XP in silver/gold they should disallow it for everyone. Right? If there is plenty of "other" activities to do to gain CP outside of silver/gold there should be plenty for everyone to earn CP outside of the main story quest line. Right? Just make it so that all CP gain only comes from PvP, grinding or dailies (the same content available to those with no more silver/gold content). Right?
Yeah, I'm sure nobody would be freaking out about that.3 -
Xjcon✭✭✭✭✭Epsilon_Echo wrote: »This entire thread boils down to this ideal:
"I DESERVE, nay, am ENTITLED more champion points for x reason"
No, no you don't. You deserve zero things.
Imagine you bought skyrim on nov. 11 2011. The Bethesda came in 6 months later and deleted your save file because they wanted to change something and didn't want you to have an advantage over new players who bought the fame on steam sale... I guess you would be fine with that because you're not entitied like the rest of us eh? Not even when they do it twice, because hey, if you can do it once...
MMO 's are always evolving in no way is this like how you describe. I really feel bad for people who claim they put in so much work to play a video game.
I play more then I should but never in any MMO have I felt entitled to things just because I played the game more then someone else.Briza Do'urdenx V16 Dunmer DK
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Dazin93✭✭✭✭Didn't answer the actual question:
Bethesda wouldn't ever do that because its a single player game and you being OP has zero to do with anyone else.
If skyrim was a MMO then it wouldn't be skyrim and your point still wouldn't make sense.
Comparing single player games to MMO is always going to fail its not apples vs apples.
When they told us that we werent getting retroactive undaunted points, I guarantee you that I had more than 99.9% of everyone in this game.
It's what it is. It was annoying, I moved on and all is well with the world.
I mean really, who really cares this much about the points inside of a video game.
Obviously quite a few people care or there wouldn't be so many threads about it. You haven't contributed anything meaningful to this entire discussion, you clearly don't care about the situation and that's fine, but keep lambasting those that do, which is not fine.
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]
Edited by ZOS_ShannonM on January 5, 2015 8:15PM2 -
Jice✭✭✭Imagine you bought World of Warcraft in 2008. Then Blizzard came in 1 year later and released an expansion because they wanted to change content and didn't want you to have an advantage over new players who bought the game just to play that expansion...
..oh wait, stuff like this happens in MMO's all the time. If every time a game updated everyone was just handed everything they needed to be exactly as strong as they were before what would be the point of adding new content at all?
I'm not buying into any of the speculation until I see some actual evidence on the PTS. But even if the Doom sayers are correct on every account. Good.
[For all the information we have, I could speculate that Mining would get you CP's and I'd be 100% as credible as the rest of you.]
Because people who like having something to work towards will have some new goals, giving more reason to play.
And competitive people will actually have to compete to stay ahead in the race. This is how games all over the world work. Does Usain Bolt gets to start a little closer to the finish line just because he was better in all the other races before? Does anyone get to keep all the property they had in the last game of monopoly? Teams don't get the Stanley Cup until they beat the other 8 teams that made the play-offs even if they were first in the league, and you don't get free CP's just because you did AA 5 more times than someone who just hit VR12 did.
All this fuss because someone can't feed their horse twice before someone else is able to...doesn't make any sense to me.
Also quitting and unsubbing before even seeing it on the PTS is childish, and telling everyone is the equivalent of yelling 'I'm leaving home forever!' to try and trick parents into doing what you want. No one cares about these hollow threats, least of all Zeni, who have other kids to look out for too.7 -
Xjcon✭✭✭✭✭
Also quitting and unsubbing before even seeing it on the PTS is childish, and telling everyone is the equivalent of yelling 'I'm leaving home forever!' to try and trick parents into doing what you want. No one cares about these hollow threats, least of all Zeni, who have other kids to look out for too.
This paragraph made me laugh.Briza Do'urdenx V16 Dunmer DK
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yodased✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This entire thread boils down to this ideal:
"I DESERVE, nay, am ENTITLED more champion points for x reason"
No, no you don't. You deserve zero things.
If you believe what you say then you also deserve zero things. So ZOS should also not award any CP to anyone else who completes silver/gold (even in the future). That way nobody gets special treatment and everything is fair. If people with multiple vet characters can't benefit from *any* of the XP in silver/gold they should disallow it for everyone. Right? If there is plenty of "other" activities to do to gain CP outside of silver/gold there should be plenty for everyone to earn CP outside of the main story quest line. Right? Just make it so that all CP gain only comes from PvP, grinding or dailies (the same content available to those with no more silver/gold content). Right?
Yeah, I'm sure nobody would be freaking out about that.
Cadwell's silver and gold is a strange concept and we should all be sorry that we were forced into it in the first place.
Ignore me, love me, hate me, it makes what I say no less true. How can I 'act' like I am intelligent anyway? How does one do such a thing?
Whatever personal attacks on my IQ aside, the fact remains that zero people actually know facts.
And, yes I deserve zero things just like the next guy in life and in video games. WTF do I DESERVE? Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness since I live in the USA, that's it.Edited by yodased on December 24, 2014 3:23AMTl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.5 -
Averya_Teira✭✭✭✭✭Imagine you bought World of Warcraft in 2008. Then Blizzard came in 1 year later and released an expansion because they wanted to change content and didn't want you to have an advantage over new players who bought the game just to play that expansion...
..oh wait, stuff like this happens in MMO's all the time. If every time a game updated everyone was just handed everything they needed to be exactly as strong as they were before what would be the point of adding new content at all?
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That is not the point at all. Look at my sig for the point.
They're not honoring their engagement, end of story.1 -
Jice✭✭✭Averya_Teira wrote: »
That is not the point at all. Look at my sig for the point.
They're not honoring their engagement, end of story.
Unless your sig links to a contract you signed with lawyers and Zeni that you would be granted points above and beyond what they chose to allot you upon delivery of the system, I don't see how they've entered into anything binding with you or anyone else that plays.
Did everyone just forget how the world works when I went to bed last night? Am I the only one aware that people can say one thing and then change their minds in the future? This is not some Dad who spent the Disneyland money on booze, it's a game who's design direction took a turn while in development, happens all the time.7 -
EQBallzz✭✭✭✭✭
✭This entire thread boils down to this ideal:
"I DESERVE, nay, am ENTITLED more champion points for x reason"
No, no you don't. You deserve zero things.
If you believe what you say then you also deserve zero things. So ZOS should also not award any CP to anyone else who completes silver/gold (even in the future). That way nobody gets special treatment and everything is fair. If people with multiple vet characters can't benefit from *any* of the XP in silver/gold they should disallow it for everyone. Right? If there is plenty of "other" activities to do to gain CP outside of silver/gold there should be plenty for everyone to earn CP outside of the main story quest line. Right? Just make it so that all CP gain only comes from PvP, grinding or dailies (the same content available to those with no more silver/gold content). Right?
Yeah, I'm sure nobody would be freaking out about that.
Cadwell's silver and gold is a strange concept and we should all be sorry that we were forced into it in the first place.
Ignore me, love me, hate me, it makes what I say no less true. How can I 'act' like I am intelligent anyway? How does one do such a thing?
Whatever personal attacks on my IQ aside, the fact remains that zero people actually know facts.
And, yes I deserve zero things just like the next guy in life and in video games. WTF do I DESERVE? Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness since I live in the USA, that's it.
Way to completely dodge. You should work for ZOS. Based on the content of your posts you may already work for ZOS.3 -
Dazin93✭✭✭✭Averya_Teira wrote: »
That is not the point at all. Look at my sig for the point.
They're not honoring their engagement, end of story.
Unless your sig links to a contract you signed with lawyers and Zeni that you would be granted points above and beyond what they chose to allot you upon delivery of the system, I don't see how they've entered into anything binding with you or anyone else that plays.
Did everyone just forget how the world works when I went to bed last night? Am I the only one aware that people can say one thing and then change their minds in the future? This is not some Dad who spent the Disneyland money on booze, it's a game who's design direction took a turn while in development, happens all the time.
What is legal and what is ethical are two very different concepts and any business law class or ethics class will tell you the same. I personally have not seen a post yet state that ZoS broke a legally binding contract. However, that isn't to say that just because ZoS acted legally they also acted ethically. This is basic business 101 to be frank.
Perhaps you feel them reneging on a previous statement isn't important to you and that's ok, you have a right to your opinion.
Just understand though, that many do not hold that same opinion, and if they unsub then ultimately that hurts the game and you.
1.6 was supposed to be the game changing patch that brought players back to ESO. With the CP fiasco and other changes such as to the ultimate system, it may very well be driving players away instead. Time will tell, and ZoS still has an opportunity to correct course if they so choose.1 -
Bloodfang✭✭✭✭✭Averya_Teira wrote: »
That is not the point at all. Look at my sig for the point.
They're not honoring their engagement, end of story.
Unless your sig links to a contract you signed with lawyers and Zeni that you would be granted points above and beyond what they chose to allot you upon delivery of the system, I don't see how they've entered into anything binding with you or anyone else that plays.
Did everyone just forget how the world works when I went to bed last night? Am I the only one aware that people can say one thing and then change their minds in the future? This is not some Dad who spent the Disneyland money on booze, it's a game who's design direction took a turn while in development, happens all the time.
What is legal and what is ethical are two very different concepts and any business law class or ethics class will tell you the same. I personally have not seen a post yet state that ZoS broke a legally binding contract. However, that isn't to say that just because ZoS acted legally they also acted ethically. This is basic business 101 to be frank.
Perhaps you feel them reneging on a previous statement isn't important to you and that's ok, you have a right to your opinion.
Just understand though, that many do not hold that same opinion, and if they unsub then ultimately that hurts the game and you.
1.6 was supposed to be the game changing patch that brought players back to ESO. With the CP fiasco and other changes such as to the ultimate system, it may very well be driving players away instead. Time will tell, and ZoS still has an opportunity to correct course if they so choose.
Honestly Champion System WILL bring people back. Why?
Because Veteran System drove 75% people away! Only minority is complaining because they are treating this game like a damn job. Or like you're supposed to be handed everything to you.
If you get the reward thats fine if you don't its still fine. Why?
Because you are still getting one of the best progression system ever created in a game!! I seriously don't get it why are people crying over those few points, when there will be thousands of points, years of playtime added etc.
I know some of you are furious because they promised a few points extra. Keep in mind though the next time you tell your friend that you don't have time for a beer or whatever, you are also letting him down. And guess what he's your damn friend, ZOS is not even that!! Be happy they are producing these massive updates, be happy they are even interacting with us, because the community is becoming horrible lately.5 -
Dazin93✭✭✭✭Averya_Teira wrote: »
That is not the point at all. Look at my sig for the point.
They're not honoring their engagement, end of story.
Unless your sig links to a contract you signed with lawyers and Zeni that you would be granted points above and beyond what they chose to allot you upon delivery of the system, I don't see how they've entered into anything binding with you or anyone else that plays.
Did everyone just forget how the world works when I went to bed last night? Am I the only one aware that people can say one thing and then change their minds in the future? This is not some Dad who spent the Disneyland money on booze, it's a game who's design direction took a turn while in development, happens all the time.
What is legal and what is ethical are two very different concepts and any business law class or ethics class will tell you the same. I personally have not seen a post yet state that ZoS broke a legally binding contract. However, that isn't to say that just because ZoS acted legally they also acted ethically. This is basic business 101 to be frank.
Perhaps you feel them reneging on a previous statement isn't important to you and that's ok, you have a right to your opinion.
Just understand though, that many do not hold that same opinion, and if they unsub then ultimately that hurts the game and you.
1.6 was supposed to be the game changing patch that brought players back to ESO. With the CP fiasco and other changes such as to the ultimate system, it may very well be driving players away instead. Time will tell, and ZoS still has an opportunity to correct course if they so choose.
Honestly Champion System WILL bring people back. Why?
Because Veteran System drove 75% people away! Only minority is complaining because they are treating this game like a damn job. Or like you're supposed to be handed everything to you.
If you get the reward thats fine if you don't its still fine. Why?
Because you are still getting one of the best progression system ever created in a game!! I seriously don't get it why are people crying over those few points, when there will be thousands of points, years of playtime added etc.
I know some of you are furious because they promised a few points extra. Keep in mind though the next time you tell your friend that you don't have time for a beer or whatever, you are also letting him down. And guess what he's your damn friend, ZOS is not even that!! Be happy they are producing these massive updates, be happy they are even interacting with us, because the community is becoming horrible lately.
This isn't a FTP game. Every person subscribed to ESO is paying their salaries and expects production in return so I don't understand why you feel updates are a privilege.
I don't pay my friends to drink beer with me or vice versa so your analogy isn't applicable to this situation nor does it make any sense.
Maybe you think it's the minority complaining and maybe you are right. The fact is though you really have no more idea than I.
If I take my vehicle in for service and the technician prints me out a sheet of the work to be done and what it will cost then I expect when I pick my vehicle up nothing will have changed unless i authorized additional work. This is not a sense of entitlement but in effect an agreement.
If I pick my vehicle up and they attempt to change the agreement then I will choose to refuse payment, take legal action if possible, or at the very least never do business with that entity again.
Perhaps you would act differently in that situation. Perhaps you would continue to do business with them despite them not honoring the original agreement.
I for one value integrity, and will not continue to support a company (financially or otherwise) that I feel is lacking in business ethics. I don't think there is anything more to discuss........3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Averya_Teira wrote: »Imagine you bought World of Warcraft in 2008. Then Blizzard came in 1 year later and released an expansion because they wanted to change content and didn't want you to have an advantage over new players who bought the game just to play that expansion...
..oh wait, stuff like this happens in MMO's all the time. If every time a game updated everyone was just handed everything they needed to be exactly as strong as they were before what would be the point of adding new content at all?
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That is not the point at all. Look at my sig for the point.
They're not honoring their engagement, end of story.
Ok, I will look at your sig fo the point:
IT CLEARLY STATES THEY DONT KNOW WHAT THE CAP IS YET.
Guess what, the cap is 30.
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]
Edited by ZOS_ShannonM on January 5, 2015 8:18PMTl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.7