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xaraan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Can you ppl (especially the OP) please link the source for Statement that
the progression from VR1-14 is completely lost and will not be converted to CP?
What I read is, that if you have AT LEAST one VR Char you get INITIAL 30CP. Where is the statement, that you won´t EVER get your progress converted? Need this info pls.
Thanks in advance...
Actually, this is the main question we want answered. Everyone arguing against us keeps saying this, but not ZoS. In fact, they have seen us ask this hundreds of times and even Gina did a big huge post yesterday about CP and guess what - not one hint of actually answering this. Not even a vague comment about something being done and details not being final yet so no info yet. I think that's the bigger problem at this point - the lack of a response.-- @xaraan --
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TehMagnus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I'd bet there are more casual players and our subscriptions cost the same as the power gamers.
The difference is the casual gamers tend to be less vocal because every time they speak up with a different opinion some elite V14 is right there screaming STFU noob L2P!
I would expect most loyal subscribers to have at least one VR12-14 by now and some alts. So I really don't get this casual v.s power gamer drama. It affects everyone that played the game for a while, regardless if your activities in-game are casual or more endgame focused.
Making long-term loyal users happy, should be important. That's my opinion. Not bending promises to please the guys that bought the game of Steam few weeks ago.
But in all fairness I don't think this is a big deal. The "power-gamer" will grind CP like mad anyway, he or she will be ahead in points after a few hours.
You're right and we know how to grind super fast, but time spent grinding is:
- Booring
- Time wasted
- Time you could have spent raiding/questing/PVPing/RPing/Exploring/Theorycrafting
I guess the typical KR grindfest MMOway is too strong to be overlooked for too long.Edited by TehMagnus on December 23, 2014 4:12PM5 -
Rune_Relic✭✭✭✭✭
✭EVERYBODY L2R!
I Have highlighted everything you need to clear this mess up.
PHASE 4 - is when Vet ranks get eliminated.
Enough of the QQ.
Maybe you should learn to read instead of spamming this nonsense on at least 4-5 threads now. ZoS explicitly stated in October that our post VR14 experience was being tracked and that we would get compensated for that experience up to a certain cap when the champion system is implemented.
Fact: 1.6 is when the champion system is being implemented and we are not being compensated.
Fact: 30 CP's for anyone who has one VR1 character is not a cap, it's a flat rate.
Fact: Phase 4 and the eventual removal of Vet ranks has nothing to do with ZoS' original promise/statement.
This is not nonsense. L2R!
Everyone is getting 30 points to start to test the system.
Nothing more nothing less.
Associating that 30 points with some kind of Veteran rank compensation is your own stupid faults for jumping to conclusions without 1 shred of documentary evidence to back that assumption up.
So put up the evidence or shut up.Edited by Rune_Relic on December 23, 2014 4:16PMAnything that can be exploited will be exploited17 -
zaria✭✭✭✭✭
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This, has nobody played WOW or other MMO?Ugh, the tears. New content didn't reward you for experience gained before it was released. So? When the level cap increases I expect all of you people to be horrified and whining that experience gained at level cap didn't roll over and auto level you.
You are not awarded for previous effort then level cap is increased or you get other stuff to build up.
Then the new expansion drops are in the same boat that someone who reached xp cap yesterday even if you reached cap 14 days after the previous expansion was released and has raided since then. And yes the nice raiding gear will be worse than questing gear in 3-4 levels.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.3 -
Dazin93✭✭✭✭Fact: When ZOS made those statements, there were almost 15000 CP to be earned. There are now under 4000.
Do you want to go back to 15000 CP?
Irrelevant. I want the experience I have gained past VR1 to count in 1.6 when the champion system is implemented, as promised. Whether that's one additional CP per VR rank or 10 CP per VR rank under a 15K cap doesn't really matter.
The only thing that matters, is that added experience gained counts, and a player with more experience gained receives more CP's upon implementation of the new system. Anything less is unacceptable for me.11 -
xaraan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Rune_Relic wrote: »EVERYBODY L2R!
I Have highlighted everything you need to clear this mess up.
PHASE 4 - is when Vet ranks get eliminated.
Enough of the QQ.
Maybe you should learn to read instead of spamming this nonsense on at least 4-5 threads now. ZoS explicitly stated in October that our post VR14 experience was being tracked and that we would get compensated for that experience up to a certain cap when the champion system is implemented.
Fact: 1.6 is when the champion system is being implemented and we are not being compensated.
Fact: 30 CP's for anyone who has one VR1 character is not a cap, it's a flat rate.
Fact: Phase 4 and the eventual removal of Vet ranks has nothing to do with ZoS' original promise/statement.
This is not nonsense. L2R!
Everyone is getting 30 points to start to test the system.
Nothing more nothing less.
Associating that 30 points with some kind of Veteran rank compensation is your own stupid faults for jumping to conclusions without 1 shred of documentary evidence to back that assumption up.
So put up the evidence or shut up.
Isn't it weird that Gina could have mentioned that in one sentence in the essay she wrote yesterday and didn't?-- @xaraan --
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Rune_Relic✭✭✭✭✭
✭Rune_Relic wrote: »EVERYBODY L2R!
I Have highlighted everything you need to clear this mess up.
PHASE 4 - is when Vet ranks get eliminated.
Enough of the QQ.
Maybe you should learn to read instead of spamming this nonsense on at least 4-5 threads now. ZoS explicitly stated in October that our post VR14 experience was being tracked and that we would get compensated for that experience up to a certain cap when the champion system is implemented.
Fact: 1.6 is when the champion system is being implemented and we are not being compensated.
Fact: 30 CP's for anyone who has one VR1 character is not a cap, it's a flat rate.
Fact: Phase 4 and the eventual removal of Vet ranks has nothing to do with ZoS' original promise/statement.
This is not nonsense. L2R!
Everyone is getting 30 points to start to test the system.
Nothing more nothing less.
Associating that 30 points with some kind of Veteran rank compensation is your own stupid faults for jumping to conclusions without 1 shred of documentary evidence to back that assumption up.
So put up the evidence or shut up.
Isn't it weird that Gina could have mentioned that in one sentence in the essay she wrote yesterday and didn't?
She did.... I even highlighted the relevant text for the illiterate.
Vet ranks have not been removed and will not be until 1.7
No vet rank removal = no compensation.
What that means is when Vet ranks actually are removed....and as stated previoulsy.. you will be rewarded with CS points as compensation.. for which XP is being tracked.Edited by Rune_Relic on December 23, 2014 4:23PMAnything that can be exploited will be exploited10 -
TehMagnus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Rune_Relic wrote: »EVERYBODY L2R!
I Have highlighted everything you need to clear this mess up.
PHASE 4 - is when Vet ranks get eliminated.
Enough of the QQ.
Maybe you should learn to read instead of spamming this nonsense on at least 4-5 threads now. ZoS explicitly stated in October that our post VR14 experience was being tracked and that we would get compensated for that experience up to a certain cap when the champion system is implemented.
Fact: 1.6 is when the champion system is being implemented and we are not being compensated.
Fact: 30 CP's for anyone who has one VR1 character is not a cap, it's a flat rate.
Fact: Phase 4 and the eventual removal of Vet ranks has nothing to do with ZoS' original promise/statement.
This is not nonsense. L2R!
Everyone is getting 30 points to start to test the system.
Nothing more nothing less.
Associating that 30 points with some kind of Veteran rank compensation is your own stupid faults for jumping to conclusions without 1 shred of documentary evidence to back that assumption up.
So put up the evidence or shut up.
Evidence is that there is no mention of XP being converted to CP on phase 4, evidence is that it would be totally *** to think that is possible since people will have more than 30 CP when phase 4 comes so that means people would get a CP bonus after having earned CP for months. THey will just never do it.
Evidence is in patch notes 1.5.2 where GIna Bruno states XP is being tracked in preparation of Champion system as well as in a post that I can't find through search (maybe they removed it or someone can link it here) where someone asked if it was worth it to keep playing at VR14 while waiting for Champion system and a community manager said: YES do so, we are tracking your XP to give some CP for it. Even Gina in her explanation recognizes that they "changed their minds" while making the system, referring to the experience tracking.4 -
Kraen✭✭✭This, has nobody played WOW or other MMO?
You are not awarded for previous effort then level cap is increased or you get other stuff to build up.
You, sir, should get your facts together.
In WoW, they dont promise that they will keep tracking your progression towards the new expansion levels.
In this case, we were promised by the chief of Champion System development that our progression will be tracked, that we will be rewarded for it, and we were encounraged to keep playing our already maxed chars for future CP rewards. That is the significant difference.
Edited by Kraen on December 23, 2014 4:27PMFinneas of Baby Face Bananas
Free to Play? No, thx.10 -
TehMagnus✭✭✭✭✭
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This, has nobody played WOW or other MMO?Ugh, the tears. New content didn't reward you for experience gained before it was released. So? When the level cap increases I expect all of you people to be horrified and whining that experience gained at level cap didn't roll over and auto level you.
You are not awarded for previous effort then level cap is increased or you get other stuff to build up.
Then the new expansion drops are in the same boat that someone who reached xp cap yesterday even if you reached cap 14 days after the previous expansion was released and has raided since then. And yes the nice raiding gear will be worse than questing gear in 3-4 levels.
This is not an expansion, this is the end of vanilla, this is ESO 2.0 and these are not new levels.
It's merely unhappy players that realize they kept playing and paying thinking what they did was meaningful when in fact the game is about to totally change after Update 6. Leaderboards will be reseted, all the builds and skills will have to be changed. Had we known this 2 months ago, many would have unsubscribed while waiting for Champion System.6 -
Rune_Relic✭✭✭✭✭
✭This, has nobody played WOW or other MMO?
You are not awarded for previous effort then level cap is increased or you get other stuff to build up.
You, sir, should get your facts together.
In WoW, they dont promise that they will keep tracking your progression towards te new expansion levels.
In this case, we were promised by the chief of Champion System development that our progression will be tracked, that we will be rewarded for it, and we were encounraged to keep playing our already maxed chars. That is the difference.
..and in 1.7 (or phase 4 when vet ranks are removed) you will be.
This 30 points has nothing to do with that compensation.
Point me to the text where it does.Edited by Rune_Relic on December 23, 2014 4:27PMAnything that can be exploited will be exploited8 -
Lynx7386✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You could all be starting with zero cp. When they raised the level cap to v14, they didn't automatically award two vet levels to v12's who were still grinding away.
Stop the whining already, it's getting on everyone's nerves.PS4 / NA
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Dazin93✭✭✭✭Rune_Relic wrote: »EVERYBODY L2R!
I Have highlighted everything you need to clear this mess up.
PHASE 4 - is when Vet ranks get eliminated.
Enough of the QQ.
Maybe you should learn to read instead of spamming this nonsense on at least 4-5 threads now. ZoS explicitly stated in October that our post VR14 experience was being tracked and that we would get compensated for that experience up to a certain cap when the champion system is implemented.
Fact: 1.6 is when the champion system is being implemented and we are not being compensated.
Fact: 30 CP's for anyone who has one VR1 character is not a cap, it's a flat rate.
Fact: Phase 4 and the eventual removal of Vet ranks has nothing to do with ZoS' original promise/statement.
This is not nonsense. L2R!
Everyone is getting 30 points to start to test the system.
Nothing more nothing less.
Associating that 30 points with some kind of Veteran rank compensation is your own stupid faults for jumping to conclusions without 1 shred of documentary evidence to back that assumption up.
So put up the evidence or shut up.
The evidence is there. ZoS' original statement back in October regarding experience being tracked and being rewarded when the champion system was implemented has been posted numerous times; I am not posting it again.
I am also putting you on ignore as your comments are only inflammatory and not contributing anything meaningful to the discussion. Merry Christmas.
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manny254✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Rune_Relic wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »EVERYBODY L2R!
I Have highlighted everything you need to clear this mess up.
PHASE 4 - is when Vet ranks get eliminated.
Enough of the QQ.
Maybe you should learn to read instead of spamming this nonsense on at least 4-5 threads now. ZoS explicitly stated in October that our post VR14 experience was being tracked and that we would get compensated for that experience up to a certain cap when the champion system is implemented.
Fact: 1.6 is when the champion system is being implemented and we are not being compensated.
Fact: 30 CP's for anyone who has one VR1 character is not a cap, it's a flat rate.
Fact: Phase 4 and the eventual removal of Vet ranks has nothing to do with ZoS' original promise/statement.
This is not nonsense. L2R!
Everyone is getting 30 points to start to test the system.
Nothing more nothing less.
Associating that 30 points with some kind of Veteran rank compensation is your own stupid faults for jumping to conclusions without 1 shred of documentary evidence to back that assumption up.
So put up the evidence or shut up.
Isn't it weird that Gina could have mentioned that in one sentence in the essay she wrote yesterday and didn't?
She did.... I even highlighted the relevant text for the illiterate.
Vet ranks have not been removed and will not be until 1.7
No vet rank removal = no compensation.
What that means is when Vet ranks actually are removed....and as stated previoulsy.. you will be rewarded with CS points as compensation.. for which XP is being tracked.
If they had current plans for any compensation she would have said it. Why let a fire burn if your house down if your holding a fire extinguisher?- Mojican2 -
AlnilamE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Fact: When ZOS made those statements, there were almost 15000 CP to be earned. There are now under 4000.
Do you want to go back to 15000 CP?
Irrelevant. I want the experience I have gained past VR1 to count in 1.6 when the champion system is implemented, as promised. Whether that's one additional CP per VR rank or 10 CP per VR rank under a 15K cap doesn't really matter.
The only thing that matters, is that added experience gained counts, and a player with more experience gained receives more CP's upon implementation of the new system. Anything less is unacceptable for me.
But you will still be a V14 until 1.7 comes out will all the benefits that currently entails.The Moot Councillor7 -
Zorrashi✭✭✭✭✭Oh hey! Stuff that hasn't been talked about before!
I would imagine there are far more casual gamers than power gamers. When politicians try and get as many votes as possible who do they target? The largest demographic (ie not the top 1%)
Except the people who are VR14 are the ones that have given them the most money and usually politicians tend to listen to the people that finance their campaigns, especially in countries like the US.
The moment update 6 hits and you get 30 CP, you'll start earning more points. So when VR is completely removed, they wont give you even more CP.Can you ppl (especially the OP) please link the source for Statement that
the progression from VR1-14 is completely lost and will not be converted to CP?
What I read is, that if you have AT LEAST one VR Char you get INITIAL 30CP. Where is the statement, that you won´t EVER get your progress converted? Need this info pls.
Thanks in advance...
It is possible that the 30 CP bit was to be implemented before the final phase of the Champion System, and the final phase, where VR get scrapped, is where the (hopefully) tracked XP get converted into champion points. This is, of course, under the assumption that they have been truthful thus far. I will be sure to complain if its not the case.
It could that they don't so much 'don't care' so much as they are 'not interested'. It could be that they simply abhor the grinding method and decided to take a slower route. It could be that other, perhaps more important priorities, hindered their play time.Regarding people who aren't even VR14 yet and have been subbed since game launch:
You obviously don't care about VR14 players, raiding etc else you'd be there competing
There are better ways to make a bold statement that merely saying "you just don't care" .
Most don't. You put in the time, you get the dime. It's not like its just VR14s are upset over the 30 CP issue....so what do you care if other players get more CP than you?
The same can be said for you too, who seems to be so overly passionate on many matters that you belittle others. Using that using a double edged sword of a "stop being selfish" statement can just as easily be applied to you, and all you really do with those words is just infuriate others, which is not beneficial for actual discussion. Tsk tsk.Please stop being selfish and think about the people who enjoy the game differently than you...6 -
TehMagnus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭You could all be starting with zero cp. When they raised the level cap to v14, they didn't automatically award two vet levels to v12's who were still grinding away.
Stop the whining already, it's getting on everyone's nerves.
It's not whining, it's being outraged by the lies from Zenimax.
We have already explained why this has nothing to do with level cap increase. If you can't accept it or understand it, you have an ignore feature in the forums, I suggest you use it (as many others have before you) since I'm not planing to stop.9 -
xaraan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Rune_Relic wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »EVERYBODY L2R!
I Have highlighted everything you need to clear this mess up.
PHASE 4 - is when Vet ranks get eliminated.
Enough of the QQ.
Maybe you should learn to read instead of spamming this nonsense on at least 4-5 threads now. ZoS explicitly stated in October that our post VR14 experience was being tracked and that we would get compensated for that experience up to a certain cap when the champion system is implemented.
Fact: 1.6 is when the champion system is being implemented and we are not being compensated.
Fact: 30 CP's for anyone who has one VR1 character is not a cap, it's a flat rate.
Fact: Phase 4 and the eventual removal of Vet ranks has nothing to do with ZoS' original promise/statement.
This is not nonsense. L2R!
Everyone is getting 30 points to start to test the system.
Nothing more nothing less.
Associating that 30 points with some kind of Veteran rank compensation is your own stupid faults for jumping to conclusions without 1 shred of documentary evidence to back that assumption up.
So put up the evidence or shut up.
Isn't it weird that Gina could have mentioned that in one sentence in the essay she wrote yesterday and didn't?
She did.... I even highlighted the relevant text for the illiterate.
Vet ranks have not been removed and will not be until 1.7
No vet rank removal = no compensation.
What that means is when Vet ranks actually are removed....and as stated previoulsy.. you will be rewarded with CS points as compensation.. for which XP is being tracked.
That does NOT answer the question.
They have not said we will get more points when vet ranks are removed.
They said that vet ranks will be removed later and you are assuming that is what it means. As I've said, I hope that is the case. Would love to hear it from ZoS though.
EDIT: you do realize that it would take ZoS two seconds to clear all this up by stating just that right? All these threads, all this "whining", pissing players off, etc. if it was just a misunderstanding, would be fixed by one sentence from zos and it hasn't been.Edited by xaraan on December 23, 2014 4:34PM-- @xaraan --
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Kraen✭✭✭Rune_Relic wrote: »This, has nobody played WOW or other MMO?
You are not awarded for previous effort then level cap is increased or you get other stuff to build up.
You, sir, should get your facts together.
In WoW, they dont promise that they will keep tracking your progression towards te new expansion levels.
In this case, we were promised by the chief of Champion System development that our progression will be tracked, that we will be rewarded for it, and we were encounraged to keep playing our already maxed chars. That is the difference.
..and in 1.7 (or phase 4 when vet ranks are removed) you will be.
This 30 points has nothing to do with that compensation.
Point me to the text where it does.
Point me the text where it says we will be compensated.
It doesnt say a word about compensation. Its like in real world. When you are buying a car, and your contract doesnt say that you are not getting extra 10 000 Euro, does that mean you are getting it? It means you are getting nothing.
If we are getting compensation, they can easily calm all this outrage on forums with one sentense long announcement. Yet, they did not.Finneas of Baby Face Bananas
Free to Play? No, thx.7 -
Potenza✭✭✭✭✭There was a proven scientific experiment done that ZOS should take note of the results. A rat was given a switch to click on. When the rat clicked on the switch, food would randomly come out of a chute (but not every time). But the more it clicked the more food it would get. So the rat would just keep on clicking - endlessly!
We are clicking - but no food is coming out.6 -
Lynx7386✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There is no such thing as a promise in game development. 20 years worth of gaming has taught me that much, at least.
Developers rarely implement things in the exact way they were conceived, and players shouldn't expect them to.
Fact is that the devs hold the well being of the game as a whole as their highest priority, while players are egocentric and only care about how much better their character is over everyone else's. That is the root of every single forum rage/whine topic ever created in the history of gaming.
Deal. With. It.PS4 / NA
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xaraan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There is no such thing as a promise in game development. 20 years worth of gaming has taught me that much, at least.
Developers rarely implement things in the exact way they were conceived, and players shouldn't expect them to.
Fact is that the devs hold the well being of the game as a whole as their highest priority, while players are egocentric and only care about how much better their character is over everyone else's. That is the root of every single forum rage/whine topic ever created in the history of gaming.
Deal. With. It.
Doesn't matter if stuff changes in development, what matters is the end result being fair. If they don't have a plan for more points when vet ranks are removed, then many players don't find that fair. And people usually don't play games that aren't fair for very long.-- @xaraan --
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This, has nobody played WOW or other MMO?Ugh, the tears. New content didn't reward you for experience gained before it was released. So? When the level cap increases I expect all of you people to be horrified and whining that experience gained at level cap didn't roll over and auto level you.
You are not awarded for previous effort then level cap is increased or you get other stuff to build up.
Then the new expansion drops are in the same boat that someone who reached xp cap yesterday even if you reached cap 14 days after the previous expansion was released and has raided since then. And yes the nice raiding gear will be worse than questing gear in 3-4 levels.
This is not an expansion, this is the end of vanilla, this is ESO 2.0 and these are not new levels.
It's merely unhappy players that realize they kept playing and paying thinking what they did was meaningful when in fact the game is about to totally change after Update 6. Leaderboards will be reseted, all the builds and skills will have to be changed. Had we known this 2 months ago, many would have unsubscribed while waiting for Champion System.
Officially named or not, these updates amount to expansion(s). Through updates we've received:
Zones
Avenues for character development
Class changes
dungeons
Heavy adjustments to unpopular mechanics
Through updates we will receive:
More zones
more avenues for character development
more class changes
more dungeons
more adjustments to unpopular mechanics
Complete gameplay systems desired by players
Hell we've even had level cap increases without an official expansion. If your work in an MMO is so dear to you that you never want to lose it for fear of "wasting time" then you might as well stop playing MMOs all together.3 -
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It is possible that the 30 CP bit was to be implemented before the final phase of the Champion System, and the final phase, where VR get scrapped, is where the (hopefully) tracked XP get converted into champion points. This is, of course, under the assumption that they have been truthful thus far. I will be sure to complain if its not the case.
If it was the case, they would have said so in Gina's post since it's what everybody has been complaining about since Friday and if they don't at that point it will be too late.
It could that they don't so much 'don't care' so much as they are 'not interested'. It could be that they simply abhor the grinding method and decided to take a slower route. It could be that other, perhaps more important priorities, hindered their play time.Regarding people who aren't even VR14 yet and have been subbed since game launch:
You obviously don't care about VR14 players, raiding etc else you'd be there competing
There are better ways to make a bold statement that merely saying "you just don't care" .
Champion system or not, if you aren't VR14 yet and competing, you will never be able to compete at high level. So even if you do care, you don't invest enough time for it to mean something and CP points or not, you'll never be at the same level as people who do invest time.
I agree and it's not just power gamers who are upset, I know a great deal of casuals that have more VR14 characters than me and will even more penalized than me. In the current explained system though, you put in the time, you don't even get a dime.
The same can be said for you too, who seems to be so overly passionate on many matters that you belittle others. Using that using a double edged sword of a "stop being selfish" statement can just as easily be applied to you, and all you really do with those words is just infuriate others, which is not beneficial for actual discussion. Tsk tsk.Please stop being selfish and think about the people who enjoy the game differently than you...
How is asking for what's FAIR and what was PROMISED, selfish? You really should explain this to me. As per infuriating other people: It's the best way to make them express what they really feel in a passionate way, thus, it's the best form of debate and expressing ideas
. (As for the people who really get mad and don't bring anything to the table, they are just mad because they don't have anything to argue against what I said. Edited by TehMagnus on December 23, 2014 4:39PM6 -
Lynx7386✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There is no such thing as a promise in game development. 20 years worth of gaming has taught me that much, at least.
Developers rarely implement things in the exact way they were conceived, and players shouldn't expect them to.
Fact is that the devs hold the well being of the game as a whole as their highest priority, while players are egocentric and only care about how much better their character is over everyone else's. That is the root of every single forum rage/whine topic ever created in the history of gaming.
Deal. With. It.
Doesn't matter if stuff changes in development, what matters is the end result being fair. If they don't have a plan for more points when vet ranks are removed, then many players don't find that fair. And people usually don't play games that aren't fair for very long.
To me, putting everyone on even ground - aka giving everyone the same amount of points - sounds pretty fair.
Face it, you don't want fair, not really. What you want is superiority and entitlement, whether you deserve it or not.
That's the egocentric attitude I was just referring to.Edited by Lynx7386 on December 23, 2014 4:41PMPS4 / NA
M'asad - Khajiit Nightblade - Healer
Pakhet - Khajiit Dragonknight - Tank
Raksha - Khajiit Sorcerer - Stamina DPS
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Leonin - Khajiit Warden - Tank11 -
Matem✭✭✭You could all be starting with zero cp. When they raised the level cap to v14, they didn't automatically award two vet levels to v12's who were still grinding away.
Stop the whining already, it's getting on everyone's nerves.
They also didn't promise to track exp gains when they did that.
Do you get the point of all of this now?
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I like how people defend ZOS when they themselves aren't screwed over by the changes (while a better person gets screwed). Just goes to show how many ignorant and selfish people are there nowadays.5 -
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To you, its fair to reward someone who worked 500 hours with same amount of "stuff" as someone who worked 50 hours?
To me, putting everyone on even ground - aka giving everyone the same amount of points - sounds pretty fair.
I mean, wtf?
By the way, "Deal with it" is of course a good approach in real life, however, not very good if you are dev and trying to keep players entertained by your very product.Edited by Kraen on December 23, 2014 4:44PMFinneas of Baby Face Bananas
Free to Play? No, thx.8 -
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To you, its fair to reward someone who worked 500 hours with same amount of "stuff" as someone who worked 50 hours?
To me, putting everyone on even ground - aka giving everyone the same amount of points - sounds pretty fair.
I mean, wtf?
By the way, "Deal with it" is of course a good approach in real life, however, not very good if you are dev and trying to keep players entertained by your very product.
The champion system is unreleased content. Nobody has worked towards it yet. A VR1 and a VR14 have worked equal amounts of hours in this system:05 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The product will be entertaining regardless of whatever amount of champion points they decide to dole out. The people who treat this like a game, rather than a job, are the ones who will stick around and continue having fun. Luckily for those devs, that happens to be the majority, and I'm sure the rest of us would enjoy the Game quite a bit more if we didn't have the egocentric power gamers around always trying to push their own agenda.PS4 / NA
M'asad - Khajiit Nightblade - Healer
Pakhet - Khajiit Dragonknight - Tank
Raksha - Khajiit Sorcerer - Stamina DPS
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✭✭To me, putting everyone on even ground - aka giving everyone the same amount of points - sounds pretty fair.
Face it, you don't want fair, not really. What you want is superiority and entitlement, whether you deserve it or not.
That's the egocentric attitude I was just referring to.
LOL how is it fair that people who have earned experience don't get anything in return even after Zenimax said they would? Would it be fair to put everybody's bank account to 0 tomorrow? (Except for the people whose bank account is already at 0)?
I suppose that the egocentric attitude you refer to is thinking that 30CP points for everybody is fair right?10
