Cadwell's Silver and Gold, Do You Like It?

SantieClaws · December 2014

I understand why they want to make the most of the available areas and quests and use them to keep all players busy for longer but it somehow doesn't work as it is. This whole alliance, split world thing just hasn't really worked from the start for me. I know they wanted to do this to stop everyone being in the same place at the same level all the time but it just stops guilds getting together for events and fractures the playerbase in a way that doesn't really work.

MornaBaine · December 2014

wenxue2222b16_ESO wrote: »

I understand why they want to make the most of the available areas and quests and use them to keep all players busy for longer but it somehow doesn't work as it is. This whole alliance, split world thing just hasn't really worked from the start for me. I know they wanted to do this to stop everyone being in the same place at the same level all the time but it just stops guilds getting together for events and fractures the playerbase in a way that doesn't really work.

I completely agree with you there. I can see leveling 1 to 50 in only your faction lands but there should still be some limited cross faction areas even then. And post-50 there should really be wide open cross faction content.

ItsGlaive · December 2014

I love questing in those zones, but I'd prefer it if they were available during the regular levelling process instead. Could easily be written into the story that way, the Prophet saying something about "putting selfish alliegences aside, this is an evil that could engulf Tamriel" or something.

Iluvrien · December 2014

MornaBaine wrote: »

So for those of us who DON'T like it...how do you cope with it?

How do I cope with it? In a word: Badly.

We've been over this before, Morna, so you know that we agree in principle (even if we find ourselves on the opposite sides of the DC-EP faction lines).

The idea of seeing the other person's point of view? Fine.
The idea of helping out those innocents who are beset by natural/daedric forces? Fine
Even the idea of clearing up those elements of your own faction that are carrying out despicable acts that cheapen the greater war effort? Probably still fine.

Setting yourself against the primary machinations of your own faction and/or characters you have already met in other contexts? Oh dear hells no.

I stayed at 50/VR1 for several weeks because I felt extremely uncomfortable about starting Cadwell's Silver. In the end I did so because I felt worse about intentionally abandoning the Skyshards/Lorebooks in those factions and, to a degree, the common people my character could be helping. That said, I now weigh each quest intro on a case by case basis and if it looks like it is going to require me to kill my own people or harm the Pact? I don't touch it.

My main is VR5, in Stormhaven and I am getting increasingly uncomfortable about some of the choices I am being forced to make in the name of "progressing". I suspect that soon I will give up completely and return to the Pact, as near Vvardenfell as I can get... where I belong.

Tapio75 · December 2014

There is nothing fun on it, totally betraying your faction.

They should plan possible expansion to add factional posy50 quests where you work on enemy territories with all the players seen evcerywhere and instead of fixed levels, have the base player scale downwards to anythin there is.

AlexDougherty · December 2014

Tapio75 wrote: »

There is nothing fun on it, totally betraying your faction.

That's one viewpoint.

My viewpoint is that my aim was to stabilise the world and stop everybody killing each other, the faction I would up in was random (from perspective of the character), and I would have worked with any faction, so long as it's aim was peace and stability.

Now in Cadwells Silver and Gold, I am not aiding the enemy, I am doing the same job I did before, with a parallel universe version of one of the other factions. My origianal faction is still safe, my Original world still peaceful and calm. I just do the same to two other worlds with what I have to work with.

zaria · December 2014

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Tapio75 wrote: »

There is nothing fun on it, totally betraying your faction.

That's one viewpoint.

My viewpoint is that my aim was to stabilise the world and stop everybody killing each other, the faction I would up in was random (from perspective of the character), and I would have worked with any faction, so long as it's aim was peace and stability.

Now in Cadwells Silver and Gold, I am not aiding the enemy, I am doing the same job I did before, with a parallel universe version of one of the other factions. My origianal faction is still safe, my Original world still peaceful and calm. I just do the same to two other worlds with what I have to work with.

Yes, you fight against your faction some, but 90% you fight other enemies who are plain evil. Yes it will strengthen the other faction, Both the DC and dominion would fall apart without your help, this would help EP short term however could create larger problems down the line.

schroed360 · December 2014

I will tend to give a "pro" comment since I read a lot more of "Con" even if I agree that it is not an alt friendly system.
First of course it is nice to be able to experiment all the zone on one character .The vet zone were really immersive for me( prior to the 7th of July ( d#%n I still remember that day...)) cause each step of the quest was important and dangerous .After that day ...mmm you have a big place to relaxe yourself use exotic and unnefficient build ,playing half naked or with costume only .
Concerning the feeling of betraying his/her home faction, well I am really far to feel it that way since I consider myself as "the vestige" which is more a soul to me than a body.I mean that I can play a Dk nord from the pact ,a templar orc from the daggerfall or whatever...in anycase it is always the vestige's soul vessel and that soul is above the little faction considération ...

Sacadon · December 2014

The option to play through the other factions content has given me a new perspective that I would not otherwise have. Many that come to ESO have no sense for the story behind it all and therefore nothing to base a faction selection from. This gives them a chance to focus on a single character while getting a bit more understanding of the other factions.

In contrast, if you decide that you do not want to do this the other options to level a character at an equivalent or higher rate (currently) are somewhat limited. If you prefer to level mainly solo, you've grinding, delves and PvP. I get that this is an MMO, but that doesn't mean that there should not be any end game solo content. In terms of investment in end game content, it makes sense to me why ZOS would focus on the group content first.

Iluvrien · December 2014

schroed360 wrote: »

Concerning the feeling of betraying his/her home faction, well I am really far to feel it that way since I consider myself as "the vestige" which is more a soul to me than a body.I mean that I can play a Dk nord from the pact ,a templar orc from the daggerfall or whatever...in anycase it is always the vestige's soul vessel and that soul is above the little faction considération ...

You see, this I don't understand. You see for me the connection to the characters that I am supposed to be helping is a little more one-on-one. I can't speak for other factions but early in the EP storyline there is one of the Consequence choices in a quest line (the ones you can only select one choice in and both choices may be bad) that sticks out.

(spoiler for EP questline)

This choice led to the deaths of many of the villagers of Bleakrock who I had worked to help, save and evacuate. I was sufficiently moved by this event that I had my character move from body to body counting the dead and remembering my time with those he had interacted with. This massacre was carried out by elements of the Daggerfall Covenant.

So then I was sent to exactly the faction that had done this evil deed and told to help them with the knowledge that I may well have been facilitating this very event in the back of my mind.

For me that isn't about being "above the little faction consideration" that is about cheapening the initial experience... and that wasn't the only time. That is why Cadwell's feels wrong for me and my character.

Black_Wolf88 · December 2014

I like the quests but the rewards for cadwells silver and gold is a joke.
should have been a skill point or a size able amount of exp or a decent item of your choice, for example a weapon of your choice, no set bonus but legendary ( gold)

Etori · December 2014

I've actually enjoyed it immensely. It's saved me the hassle of having to roll an alt just to see all of the content. I'm wrapping up VR5 now, so I should be onto Calwell's Gold in the next few days.

Enodoc · December 2014

Iluvrien wrote: »

schroed360 wrote: »

Concerning the feeling of betraying his/her home faction, well I am really far to feel it that way since I consider myself as "the vestige" which is more a soul to me than a body.I mean that I can play a Dk nord from the pact ,a templar orc from the daggerfall or whatever...in anycase it is always the vestige's soul vessel and that soul is above the little faction considération ...

You see, this I don't understand. You see for me the connection to the characters that I am supposed to be helping is a little more one-on-one. I can't speak for other factions but early in the EP storyline there is one of the Consequence choices in a quest line (the ones you can only select one choice in and both choices may be bad) that sticks out.

(spoiler for EP questline)
This choice led to the deaths of many of the villagers of Bleakrock who I had worked to help, save and evacuate. I was sufficiently moved by this event that I had my character move from body to body counting the dead and remembering my time with those he had interacted with. This massacre was carried out by elements of the Daggerfall Covenant.

So then I was sent to exactly the faction that had done this evil deed and told to help them with the knowledge that I may well have been facilitating this very event in the back of my mind.

For me that isn't about being "above the little faction consideration" that is about cheapening the initial experience... and that wasn't the only time. That is why Cadwell's feels wrong for me and my character.

In contrast, visiting the DC may show you that, at the base level, they're a good bunch of folks who would be appalled if they knew of the evil that their general had commanded.

Iluvrien · December 2014

Enodoc wrote: »

In contrast, visiting the DC may show you that, at the base level, they're a good bunch of folks who would be appalled if they knew of the evil that their general had commanded.

It may well do. Although it has failed to do so in the first 4 zones I have travelled through while talking to members of every stratum of society from homeless wanderers to the ruler of the faction. For some reason they have all spontaneously failed to mention it. When they do I will be sure to let you know!

In the mean time I will get back to quests that instruct me to slaughter members of my own race.

...my point being that their implied possible horror at actions they can't all be unaware of has somewhat less of an impact than the epithets and antipathy that they display in the requests and comments they actually make to my character's face.

DeLindsay · December 2014

I would've liked it better if you were doing quests to infiltrate the other Faction to bring it down where the end boss in Silver/Gold was that Faction's Leader.

Apokh · December 2014

The biggest crap ever invented!
Why did they not make a seperte story to infiltrate the other alliances as ...Veteran of the Alliance were in? Probably was to "hard" to make a Questline around that and eliminate all questlines that point against the alliance of the player..

The biggest break after a great storyline from 1-50.

AlexDougherty · December 2014

zaria wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Tapio75 wrote: »

There is nothing fun on it, totally betraying your faction.

That's one viewpoint.

My viewpoint is that my aim was to stabilise the world and stop everybody killing each other, the faction I would up in was random (from perspective of the character), and I would have worked with any faction, so long as it's aim was peace and stability.

Now in Cadwells Silver and Gold, I am not aiding the enemy, I am doing the same job I did before, with a parallel universe version of one of the other factions. My origianal faction is still safe, my Original world still peaceful and calm. I just do the same to two other worlds with what I have to work with.

Yes, you fight against your faction some, but 90% you fight other enemies who are plain evil. Yes it will strengthen the other faction, Both the DC and dominion would fall apart without your help, this would help EP short term however could create larger problems down the line.

Not quite, you are adventuring in alternate universes.

Your original EP faction is unaffected by what ever you do in Cadwells Silver/Gold. The DC and AD factions you help are in Different Universes, you are not weakening your original faction, but rather stabilising three worlds.

It does becomes pointless when you do Craglorn (and on) though, since you simply revert back to your original world, and despite understanding each faction continue on as if Cadwell's Silver/Gold never Happened.

Volkodav · March 2015

This may not be a popular thing to say,but what bugs me about Cadwell's Silver are two things.One,that I had no warning of what was to happen when I accepted his offer.I would be taken to Glenumbra.I didnt get a choice really,as he asked if I wanted to do it.I thought it was another quest.Little did I know.Second,I hate,hate,hate,that the quest lines are all over the place with no solid threads to keep you on track.Some quests you can search days for a beginning and not find any.There are no real trackers,so there's no hope there.I just wish there were easier line threads in the damn quests.I'm doing this at level V4,so it isnt that I cant do the quests,..I just cannot find them.When I do,they drop midway through.No trace.
Please,dont flame me.I'm just frustrated right now.I put my Vet away for a few months,unable to figure out how to start the Silver.I know,dumb me,right? Then I see a random post on how to use the journal,and I get going.Now,when my quests have dropped off with nothing,I'm lost.

NewBlacksmurf · March 2015

Gyudan wrote: »

The poll options are slightly limited. Why is there no answer somewhere between "great" and "makes no sense"?

Lol

Necrelios · March 2015

NO! Because I already max leveled characters on every alliance within the first month of the game. This is why I quit paying a sub fee, since they refused to release new content like promised on a regular basis.

Naor_Sarethi · March 2015

I HATE it to a degree that borders to rage. I am abandoning it now for good, since i just can't take it anymore.
First i had to follow Emeric around which was tedious, listening to his endless ramblings but fine.
Old bugger got what he wanted, I am the hero. Fine. Just FINE.
So i think, alrighty ! I'm a Dark Elf, time to visit the lands of our Aldmer cousins (never had much ill feeling towards them),
until ..... the entire story about the veiled queen starts. And i swear this isn't normal anymore. I can't even "not care" about this story anymore. Every time i have to run behind this adolescent dumbwitted excuse of a queen i want to stab her, but can't.
If i could work for the Veiled Queen at least. I would probably enjoy it. Being the old Dunmer (fictional !!) racist i am.
But no. I have to help her do tasks that annoy me a lot more than they should seeing how they paint some tediously modernized face on everything.
I am SO done with this really.
Tomorrow PvP will give extra XP so that is where i will stay.
And i have rarely been this angry with people designing a game.
Maybe because i love the game too much to see it fall into the hand of people who have a hopelessly naive and narrow vision of things, unable to think outside their moral comfort zone.
If at least i could stay in EP territory and do quests for the Pact i would gladly do it. Nords Dunmer and even Argonians, but having to help the other factions has actually made me hate them more than i initially did and probably more than the devs planned.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Uncouth Jokes]

Iluvrien · March 2015

Iluvrien wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

In contrast, visiting the DC may show you that, at the base level, they're a good bunch of folks who would be appalled if they knew of the evil that their general had commanded.

It may well do. Although it has failed to do so in the first 4 zones I have travelled through while talking to members of every stratum of society from homeless wanderers to the ruler of the faction. For some reason they have all spontaneously failed to mention it. When they do I will be sure to let you know!

4 months on, at the end of Bangkorai, the last few missions in my Cadwell's Silver zone and there is still nobody expressing dismay at the events that had to have happened already (otherwise the "alternate timeline leading up to the same moments in Coldharbour" idea just isn't going to work).

My character has spent a lot of time helping people against daedric machinations (good), against bandits and raiders (good), trying to promote stability and a good life (good)... and then equipping, protecting and unifying the elements of the Covenant who are going to set out slaughter my fellow Dunmeri and Argonian citizens (Nords smell, I don't care about them).

Even having experienced almost all of Cadwell's Silver I still hate this idea, or at least this execution of it. This is not an uninformed opinion, this has been built up through almost a year of experience. For me Cadwell's sucks.

Necrelios · March 2015

Naor_Sarethi wrote: »

I HATE it to a degree that borders to rage. I am abandoning it now for good, since i just can't take it anymore.
First i had to follow Emeric around which was tedious, listening to his endless ramblings but fine.
Old bugger got what he wanted, I am the hero. Fine. Just FINE.
So i think, alrighty ! I'm a Dark Elf, time to visit the lands of our Aldmer cousins (never had much ill feeling towards them),
until ..... the entire story about the veiled queen starts. And i swear this isn't normal anymore. I can't even "not care" about this story anymore. Every time i have to run behind this adolescent dumbwitted excuse of a queen i want to stab her, but can't.
If i could work for the Veiled Queen at least. I would probably enjoy it. Being the old Dunmer (fictional !!) racist i am.
But no. I have to help her do tasks that annoy me a lot more than they should seeing how they paint some tediously modernized face on everything.
I am SO done with this really.
Tomorrow PvP will give extra XP so that is where i will stay.
And i have rarely been this angry with people designing a game.
Maybe because i love the game too much to see it fall into the hand of people who have a hopelessly naive and narrow vision of things, unable to think outside their moral comfort zone.
If at least i could stay in EP territory and do quests for the Pact i would gladly do it. Nords Dunmer and even Argonians, but having to help the other factions has actually made me hate them more than i initially did and probably more than the devs planned.

I think Zenimax Online Studios is to blame. Or should we call them ZENITHARMax? Ruled by the daedric prince of merchantability!
[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]

Naor_Sarethi · March 2015

Necrelios wrote: »

Naor_Sarethi wrote: »

I HATE it to a degree that borders to rage. I am abandoning it now for good, since i just can't take it anymore.
First i had to follow Emeric around which was tedious, listening to his endless ramblings but fine.
Old bugger got what he wanted, I am the hero. Fine. Just FINE.
So i think, alrighty ! I'm a Dark Elf, time to visit the lands of our Aldmer cousins (never had much ill feeling towards them),
until ..... the entire story about the veiled queen starts. And i swear this isn't normal anymore. I can't even "not care" about this story anymore. Every time i have to run behind this adolescent dumbwitted excuse of a queen i want to stab her, but can't.
If i could work for the Veiled Queen at least. I would probably enjoy it. Being the old Dunmer (fictional !!) racist i am.
But no. I have to help her do tasks that annoy me a lot more than they should seeing how they paint some tediously modernized face on everything.
I am SO done with this really.
Tomorrow PvP will give extra XP so that is where i will stay.
And i have rarely been this angry with people designing a game.
Maybe because i love the game too much to see it fall into the hand of people who have a hopelessly naive and narrow vision of things, unable to think outside their moral comfort zone.
If at least i could stay in EP territory and do quests for the Pact i would gladly do it. Nords Dunmer and even Argonians, but having to help the other factions has actually made me hate them more than i initially did and probably more than the devs planned.

I think Zenimax Online Studios is to blame. Or should we call them ZENITHARMax? Ruled by the daedric prince of merchantability!

ZENITHARmax, that just made my day. I just logged off really frustrated in Auridon, waiting for tomorrows PvP changes and reading on the upcoming Wrothgar expansion.
If i find myself on the wrong side again I am going to take 10 Bantam Guars hostage and ask Zenitharmax if they want them on their conscience :[ Even though i love these little buggers.
But in all seriousness.
I *want* to care about the content. I want to like the people i fight for.
Which i did in the Pact.
How do they not comprehend this simple issue?
Only one way to make sure it won't happen again is to give us always the option to play one of two storylines (note ...*one*

) and maybe an optional second.
And both being entirely the opposite of each other.
Otherwise the entire passion i have for the game just leads to more and more frustration and that can't be the goal of it.

And finally i can't leave without saying:

THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN !

And people includes Men and Mer alike

[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]

Necrelios · March 2015

I'm actually pretty sure Donald Trump's brother is Zenithar, the daedric prince of merchantability. Not only that, but he is a prime share holder in the company. You just don't mess with the Trumps, that's a given. Maybe the Rockefeller's can be messed with a little, but definitely never the Trumps; they will instantly fire you from any job you currently have anywhere in the world.

The Trumps simply do not share in the same forgiving sense of humor. Even if you're unemployed, they will just jump out of the shadows and fire you from a job you don't even have yet. I don't even KNOW how that works. Just don't ever try it. That would be the safest option. When it comes to firing, the Trumps are like Ninjas. You do not spit into the wind, you do not tug on superman's cape, and like the laws of physics, you just never, ever, mess with the Trumps. Ever. Period. Or you're just fired, end of story. Donald Trump might be the master of firing, but his brother takes on the real damage cases from what I understand. It will get really, really ugly, really fast. The Trumps don't even worry about cleaning up the mess. They let the military do that for them.

As far as I'm concerned it's all just a test, a test to see who is worthy or not. You all know who you are.

Enodoc · March 2015

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

This may not be a popular thing to say,but what bugs me about Cadwell's Silver are two things.One,that I had no warning of what was to happen when I accepted his offer.I would be taken to Glenumbra.I didnt get a choice really,as he asked if I wanted to do it.I thought it was another quest.Little did I know.Second,I hate,hate,hate,that the quest lines are all over the place with no solid threads to keep you on track.Some quests you can search days for a beginning and not find any.There are no real trackers,so there's no hope there.I just wish there were easier line threads in the damn quests.I'm doing this at level V4,so it isnt that I cant do the quests,..I just cannot find them.When I do,they drop midway through.No trace.
Please,dont flame me.I'm just frustrated right now.I put my Vet away for a few months,unable to figure out how to start the Silver.I know,dumb me,right? Then I see a random post on how to use the journal,and I get going.Now,when my quests have dropped off with nothing,I'm lost.

There's a bug in Glenumbra that's been there since launch where the quest giver who is supposed to turn up after the Daggerfall quests does not appear. It's supposed to go
Daggerfall -> Deleyn's Mill -> Vale of the Guardians -> ... (after that the story flows fine)
but Babineux Redain fails to appear with Turning of the Trees after completing Bloodthorn Assassins.

If you're interested in the storyline quests in Glenumbra, see Glenumbra: Story Quests. If you're interested in the whole Covenant story, see Daggerfall Covenant: Quests. If you're only interested in completing Cadwell's Silver, see Cadwell's Almanac: Daggerfall Covenant.

Seraphyel · March 2015

Cadewells Silver & Gold may be a nice optional thing to do, but they are a must. And for a must they are just bland and awful. One of the worst "endcontent" approaches I've ever seen cause they were done without thinking about it for a second.

wOOOOt_of_SD · March 2015

Bad poll with too few options.
Its a RP poll..

I hate Silver and Gold because it forces me to play through PVE content I would prefer to have as optional.

Tabbycat · March 2015

Originally you were locked out of the other faction zones unless you made alternate characters. People who wanted to play only one character whined so much during early beta that ZOS created the Veteran system and questing in the other two zones.

So, for a person who only wants to play one character, this is a great thing.

For players who are altaholics, not so much.

As for me, I don't think it's fair to expect players who only want to play one character to have to give up 2/3rds of the content.

I say this, of course, as an altaholic.

ItsGlaive · March 2015

Apokh wrote: »

The biggest crap ever invented!
Why did they not make a seperte story to infiltrate the other alliances as ...Veteran of the Alliance were in? Probably was to "hard" to make a Questline around that and eliminate all questlines that point against the alliance of the player..

The biggest break after a great storyline from 1-50.

Because it was never intended in the original design.

You have to remember, at launch there was no end game. No VR dungeons, no Craglorn, no trials, no arena. There was 1-50 and Cyrodiil.

I imagine they panicked, "Oh ***! We don't have an end game, what do we do?!"

To which, after many brainstorming meetings, the response would've been something like, "I know! We'll get them to grind through the other two factions, no one will get bored of that! We'll tell them it's a feature! Quick, get that Basil Fawlty guy back in to record some more lines!"

The story is very clearly written with 1-50 in mind, you defeat Molag Bal and save the world. What came after was all afterthought.

Update: In case anyone else misunderstands I'm not saying Silver and Gold weren't in. I'm saying they were added in pre-release to make up for the lack of end game.