Veteran Dungeon Order of Difficulty?

MissBizz · December 2014

I have searched the forums and the web, and can only seem to find this from back in May. I assume the vet dungeons have changed a bit, and scaling definitely may change this list. I understand this also depends on the group, but does anyone know what generally is considered the easiest vet dungeon to hardest? Personal opinion definitely welcome. Do they work in the same order as the 1-50 one? Banished Cells, Spindle and Fungal being the easiest? If so, is Banished Cells still considered the easiest in vet?

Syntse · December 2014

I would not say that BC, Spindle and FG are the easiest. There are easier ones. Cannot put them to from easy to hard order as it so much depends on the people you play with and how well they know the dungeon and each other play.

MissBizz · December 2014

Well, there is a group of us in the guild that would love to research and finally beat a veteran dungeon and I was looking for some guidance as to where to begin. I guess a good thought would be what would you find easiest with a PUG group, as this takes away the sense of security of knowing how each other plays, which may equal out to us (which are all new to vet dungeons)

Lobharvey · December 2014

MissBizz wrote: »

I have searched the forums and the web, and can only seem to find this from back in May. I assume the vet dungeons have changed a bit, and scaling definitely may change this list. I understand this also depends on the group, but does anyone know what generally is considered the easiest vet dungeon to hardest? Personal opinion definitely welcome. Do they work in the same order as the 1-50 one? Banished Cells, Spindle and Fungal being the easiest? If so, is Banished Cells still considered the easiest in vet?

You might be better off simply creating a poll asking forum users to choose either the most difficult or easiest dungeon in their opinion, listing each dungeon as a possible choice. There are a lot of users reading these discussions right now with the holiday schedules for most folks, so you should be able to get amount of responses pretty quickly (a couple of days at most) that will give you a rough estimate based off their selections.

MissBizz · December 2014

I actually just had to search to figure out how to make a poll and seems I cannot add it afterwards I would rather not make another thread on the topic. If anyone would like to just offer their opinion that would be great. I will also ask around in game to see if I can find a general consensus. Thanks for the idea though!

Shunravi · December 2014

If you guys need some tips, I can group with you in-game and show you the ropes. I extend this invitation to any member of Lone Wolf Help as well. I like what you guys do, and want to help.

Now, difficulty can be varied depending on how strong your single target/ AOE is. Spindleclutch and to some extent, BC, have big aoe checks that can be tricky if not handled right. BC and Fungal have single target fights that require good positioning (BC has both in one fight).

Dungeon Dwellers is also making dungeon guides for just this purpose. @Yodased has been busy in another project, but we plan on focusing more on the guides over the holidays. So hopefully those will be up and ready soon. (and if you have any criticism for the guides, we are open to constructive comments

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Syntse · December 2014

Well don't try BC then with inexperienced group that much I can say. Eg Imril (or something) will tear you new one. As tank cannot block and the adds are big aoe dps check. I have not done BC yet under 30minutes.

Yesterdays pledge Darkshade Caverns we ran under 10 minutes. Also don't remember Elden Hollow being specifically difficult.

Royale_With_Cheese · December 2014

My rankings as a pug healer, from easiest to hardest and including the achievement/gold key challenge:

Wayrest Sewers (easiest)
Elden Hollow
Banished Cells
Darkshade Caverns
Spindleclutch
Fungal Grotto
Crypt of Hearts
City of Ash (hardest)

These rankings are for the whole dungeon. For example, the Spindleclutch final boss challenge is probably the easiest to do, but Praxin and the gargoyle can be brutal for newbies.

Shunravi · December 2014

Royale_With_Cheese wrote: »

My rankings as a pug healer, from easiest to hardest and including the achievement/gold key challenge:

Wayrest Sewers (easiest)
Elden Hollow
Banished Cells
Darkshade Caverns
Spindleclutch
Fungal Grotto
Crypt of Hearts
City of Ash (hardest)

These rankings are for the whole dungeon. For example, the Spindleclutch final boss challenge is probably the easiest to do, but Praxin and the gargoyle can be brutal for newbies.

I would agree with that. The second tier does feel easier overall. WS has always been pretty easy. Its probably because its mechanics are not as punishing if mistakes are made.

Now, I find CoH easy... but I have done it a lot, and I'm sure my perspective is a bit biased. Its more mechanics and movement than anything. But that is also why I refrained from making a list of my own....

But I'm pretty sure this would be my list.

OP, have you run many of the normals and public dungeons? If not, they can really help you learn how to manage certain things, and how to adapt to situations.

MissBizz · December 2014

@Shunravi‌ We regularly run the public dungeons with guild members, usually spontaneously and with a new random group each time, and I feel quite confident when we run these. We also run group dungeons together and have always done quite well, but at the same time, there often ends up being a VR or two in a normal run, which obviously makes it a lot easier.

I thank you for your invitation and will surely take you up on it! I am excited to see the new guides going up, as I have read over (and watched) many, but am concerned some mechanics may have changed since April, when many of these were made. I really think with some tips and research on our behalf we will overcome these and one day we will be able to help out others as you are offering to help us.

Thanks for your list @Royale_With_Cheese. Between your list and Shunravi comments about the tier 2 seeming to be more forgiving, I think we will make an attempt at those three and then choose what which one we feel we should focus on.

Spark · December 2014

I agree that Wayrest is easiest (the lich boss is a bit of a healing check, but that's pretty much it). That, and Darkshade, then Elden. Darkshade gets double as easy if your tank can switch to dps on the last 2 bosses and if all dps have a ranged option. Fungal is also very easy after your group gets the strategy down, but it does have a learning curve for some groups.

I agree that City of Ash is the hardest by far. It is another one where good ranged dps will go a long way to make things easier though. Hardmode/death challenge is a DPS check also.

Draxys · December 2014

I'd agree with that list for the most part. A lot of the bosses are easy once you figure out how to work with the mechanics, even city of ash.

Cody · January 2015

Well I suck, they are all hard to me:D but I have also done them all save CoA vet, so here is my personal list from easiest to hardest:

Wayrest sewers
Banished cells
Spindleclutch(only hard boss is the gargoyle)
Elden Hollow
Fungal grotto
Darkshade
Crypt of hearts
have not done CoA

Magdalina · January 2015

Wayrest sewers is definitely easiest, and COA hardest. Everything in between can be argued and REALLY depends on group. I think Elden is almost as easy as Wayrest, hardmode can be slightly tricky if you lack dps.

DC can be tricky, COH is easy once everyone learns the mechanics, it's my favourite dungeon. Fungal is kinda easy compared to others now imo, but boss #2 can be a real pain if group doesn't coordinate well.

Spindle and BC are both fine except for single encounter - Imril in BC, Praxin in Spinle are both a nightmare, that scaling really wasn't thought through imo.

Joy_Division · January 2015

Even Easy dungeons have difficult fights.

1. Wayrest Sewers: Lich is only potential wipe (can be exploited).
2. Elden Hallow: Final Boss is really only challenging fight.
3. Fungal Grotto: Spider Boss is more annoying than difficult (can be exploited).
4. Crypt of Hearts: Used to be a baddy, final boss has been heavily nerfed.
5. Banished Cells: The boss with the Daedra adds is difficult (can be exploited) and the final boss "gold key" challenge will wipe groups with weak links.
6. Spindleclutch: Actually pretty easy except the Praxin fight (which is probably the hardest fight in any dungeon excepting City of Ash).
7. Darkshade Caverns: 3 of the bosses are legitimately tough fights: Hive Lord (DPS check), Netch fight, Final Boss (heal check).
8. City of Ash: This is actually not that difficult once you learn the mechanics but until you do, it is wipe city.

KBKB · January 2015

@Joy_Division‌

I wouldn't say final boss in Darkshade is a heal check at all, more a group check a lot can go wrong people splitting up out of range, ignoring adds, standing right in front of the boss every time he comes around and lets not forget aoe damage is close to off the charts! which so many people think because you have healed them that far without a wipe they can stay in it -_-

Can't pin that one purely on heals group has to be decent...

Otherwise pretty much agree with your list, Praxin is where tanks need to shine and DPS need to focus healers.

Magdalina · January 2015

Joy_Division wrote: »

Even Easy dungeons have difficult fights.

1. Wayrest Sewers: Lich is only potential wipe (can be exploited).
2. Elden Hallow: Final Boss is really only challenging fight.
3. Fungal Grotto: Spider Boss is more annoying than difficult (can be exploited).
4. Crypt of Hearts: Used to be a baddy, final boss has been heavily nerfed.
5. Banished Cells: The boss with the Daedra adds is difficult (can be exploited) and the final boss "gold key" challenge will wipe groups with weak links.
6. Spindleclutch: Actually pretty easy except the Praxin fight (which is probably the hardest fight in any dungeon excepting City of Ash).
7. Darkshade Caverns: 3 of the bosses are legitimately tough fights: Hive Lord (DPS check), Netch fight, Final Boss (heal check).
8. City of Ash: This is actually not that difficult once you learn the mechanics but until you do, it is wipe city.

Wait, when was Nerien'eth nerfed? Didn't notice anything in that dungeon changing after it's been launched. He was never the hardest one in there to begin with, too.

Duccea · January 2015

I seem to agree with almost everyone when I say that Wayrest is the easiest of the vet dungeons and I would recommend tackling that one first.

Elden Hollow and Darkshade Caverns are also fairly easy once you've figured out how some of the bosses work. Same goes for Fungal Grotto and Crypt of Hearts on a slightly more advanced level.

Banished Cells and Spindleclutch I would not recommend getting into unless you're certain you have a good aoe damage output. They used to be fairly easy, but some of the bosses there are working poorly with the new scaling system and can be quite the hassle.

I haven't completed City of Ash yet due to the dps in my regular raiding group not yet being VR 14 and us lacking damage output for the 3rd boss or so, so naturally, I would consider this to be the hardest vet dungeon.

Drasn · January 2015

Duccea wrote: »

I seem to agree with almost everyone when I say that Wayrest is the easiest of the vet dungeons and I would recommend tackling that one first.

Elden Hollow and Darkshade Caverns are also fairly easy once you've figured out how some of the bosses work. Same goes for Fungal Grotto and Crypt of Hearts on a slightly more advanced level.

Banished Cells and Spindleclutch I would not recommend getting into unless you're certain you have a good aoe damage output. They used to be fairly easy, but some of the bosses there are working poorly with the new scaling system and can be quite the hassle.

I haven't completed City of Ash yet due to the dps in my regular raiding group not yet being VR 14 and us lacking damage output for the 3rd boss or so, so naturally, I would consider this to be the hardest vet dungeon.

This is pretty much the list with one exception: City of Ash moves into the Elden Hollow/Darkshade Caverns difficulty range once you learn mechanics.

ThatHappyCat · January 2015

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

Duccea wrote: »

I seem to agree with almost everyone when I say that Wayrest is the easiest of the vet dungeons and I would recommend tackling that one first.

Elden Hollow and Darkshade Caverns are also fairly easy once you've figured out how some of the bosses work. Same goes for Fungal Grotto and Crypt of Hearts on a slightly more advanced level.

Banished Cells and Spindleclutch I would not recommend getting into unless you're certain you have a good aoe damage output. They used to be fairly easy, but some of the bosses there are working poorly with the new scaling system and can be quite the hassle.

I haven't completed City of Ash yet due to the dps in my regular raiding group not yet being VR 14 and us lacking damage output for the 3rd boss or so, so naturally, I would consider this to be the hardest vet dungeon.

This is pretty much the list with one exception: City of Ash moves into the Elden Hollow/Darkshade Caverns difficulty range once you learn mechanics.

You could say that about every fight, really.

Cody · January 2015

Joy_Division wrote: »

Even Easy dungeons have difficult fights.

1. Wayrest Sewers: Lich is only potential wipe (can be exploited).
2. Elden Hallow: Final Boss is really only challenging fight.
3. Fungal Grotto: Spider Boss is more annoying than difficult (can be exploited).
4. Crypt of Hearts: Used to be a baddy, final boss has been heavily nerfed.
5. Banished Cells: The boss with the Daedra adds is difficult (can be exploited) and the final boss "gold key" challenge will wipe groups with weak links.
6. Spindleclutch: Actually pretty easy except the Praxin fight (which is probably the hardest fight in any dungeon excepting City of Ash).
7. Darkshade Caverns: 3 of the bosses are legitimately tough fights: Hive Lord (DPS check), Netch fight, Final Boss (heal check).
8. City of Ash: This is actually not that difficult once you learn the mechanics but until you do, it is wipe city.

They nerfed the final boss in COH vet???
whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy..............

It was so fun!!! I loved the challenge he provided!:(

f***, now I have no desire to run that dungeon ever again

anitajoneb17_ESO · January 2015

Joy_Division wrote: »

Even Easy dungeons have difficult fights.
5. Banished Cells: The boss with the Daedra adds is difficult (can be exploited) and the final boss "gold key" challenge will wipe groups with weak links.

Would you mind sharing your "trick" for Imril (either here or PM) ? She's a true nightmare for me and I wouldn't know of any "exploit" (I would not call the walk-around-in-circles strat an "exploit").

For all other "exploits" you mention I think I know them, just not this one.

EDIT : Somebody answered in PM. Thanks a lot ! :-)

HeathenDeacon · August 2015

((apologies for wall of text-- typing from ps4)) -Resurecting this old thread instead of making a new one becuase I've had this bookmarked and been using it as a reference since my guild starting doing Vet dungeons the last month. Anyway, we've finished both Wayrest and Elden Hollow mutiple times, and we've come very close on B cells just missing it with a couple of heartbreaking wipes. We have pretty skilled group and the only thing that might hold us back a little bit is that I am REsto staff healing with my Sorc and certain situations can push my limits. SO... I'm just curious to hear any more opinions/ suggestions for the best vet dungeons to tackle after Wayrest and E Hollow. -thanks

UrQuan · August 2015

HeathenDeacon wrote: »

((apologies for wall of text-- typing from ps4)) -Resurecting this old thread instead of making a new one becuase I've had this bookmarked and been using it as a reference since my guild starting doing Vet dungeons the last month. Anyway, we've finished both Wayrest and Elden Hollow mutiple times, and we've come very close on B cells just missing it with a couple of heartbreaking wipes. We have pretty skilled group and the only thing that might hold us back a little bit is that I am REsto staff healing with my Sorc and certain situations can push my limits. SO... I'm just curious to hear any more opinions/ suggestions for the best vet dungeons to tackle after Wayrest and E Hollow. -thanks

I think vet Spindleclutch has been nerfed somewhat - these days I'd consider it easier than Banished Cells. I mean, the last fight in Banished Cells has mechanics that can make it tough unless you're both well coordinated and flexible as a group - you have to be able to deal with Rilis even when he teleports around, as well as the Daedroths, have someone keeping an eye out to take out the Feasts before they heal Rilis, you have to avoid the heavy damage AoEs, and you have to be able to deal with temporarily losing a team member to a bubble (harder to handle when it's your healer or tank), and if you're the one who goes up in a bubble you have to be on your toes when you come down to make sure you get to the appropriate purge rune fast before you die.

Actually, I think Fungal Grotto is probably easier than Banished Cells these days too. I guess which dungeons you find easiest probably depends somewhat on your group too...

Mighty_oakk · August 2015

This thread was necro'd but strangely i googled this very thing the other day so hopefully it doesnt get locked

UrQuan · August 2015

Actually, since this thread was started by @MissBizz and I know for a fact that since she started it she's done a lot of vet dungeon runs (I've done some vet dungeon runs with her myself), I'd be curious to see what her take is on the topic currently.