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So,

I am always willing to do things out of the ordinary, push the envelope, find the most unorthodox ways to fight. Find use out of skills most people deem not worthy, useless, etc

(I was one of the 1st(Not the only though, not taking all the credit) to advocate the use of Radiant Magelight to counter Lethal Arrow Spam which has become prevalent in Cyrodiil now over Inner light because of its effectiveness against stealth attacks which most arrow attacks come from)

So today while drinking my coffee before work, it has dawned on me what my new thing to try today will be

Pets in PVP(A complete and total 1st for me)

I know your thinking...Pets are useless, I am thinking the same thing, but I have a very good idea on how they can be used.

1st - Ever notice NPC's and the like have a really stupid stealth detection, well your Pets do too...could be an advantage, a small one of course, Regardless your will benefit from the same stealth detection NPC's do which i find they see much sooner then the players do. this can only be a benefit.

2nd, Pets increase your Health regen by 20%, and the Twilight can heal you when your low on health.

3rd, My Clanfear has a ton of HP...i was looking the other day and its a lot...its actually close to the Greater Storm Atronach in HP..if i remember correctly mine is somewhere over 5k...thats a beast of a tank. You enemy will have to deal him in some manner regardless, if you use BE you can keep distance and kite around. Or use Bound Armor/Thunder Form for sustainability while you and your pet both beat on him.

4th they fixed the Clannfear he now does Tail Swipe Attacks quite frequently that will not only knock players on their rear end, but its an AOE that hits anything in its conal range.

5th - The Daedric Ward Morph Empowered Ward puts a damage shield on you and both of your pets AND increases your pets damage by a whopping 30% at rank 4(This also effects the Storm Atronach Ultimate). Now that Clannfear Tail Swipping is hitting for close to 1k, and he has a whopping damage shield on him that must be busted before one can even begin chipping away at its 5K plus HP.

6th - Remember, 2 ranks of Rebate means you get Magic back everytime a pet dies or is summoned, so from resources perspective, losing a pet isn't as crippling as it would seem to be.

Of course your not going to want your pets out while your stealth. The Clannfear is instant cast though, so you can bring him out in a pinch. Creating some distance then summoning your Twilight would probably best.

Conclusion

I don't know if this work or not, but im darn well going to try it! I'll have to level Empowered Ward tonight hopefully it won't take too long. This could maybe be useful in castle sieges as well, its another body to add to the mix and the Clannfear seems to be a bloody good meatbag! lol


This idea was inspired by a video i watched a few weeks ago . There was a guy on there...his name slips my mind now,I want to say it was Legend guild, don't quote me on that though, that used pets to very great effect making him extremely hard to kill, while forcing his opponent to have to deal with 2 pets + him at the same time. He seemed to do very very well.


The Clannfear can be used not only as a tank, but as a major annoyance. He is still going to have his attention on whomever is attacking you, and with average use of blocking, the Twilight can keep you alive, if the player focuses on killing your Twilight, you will have free reign to beat on him while he trys to do so along with your Clannfear also beating on him. Keeping Empowered Ward up will ensure Scales reflection doesn't kill your Twilight, while making their attacks even more deadly. thus you will get the heals from it and be extremely hard to kill.

If you are ganked by 2-3 people, the 2 pets "Could possibly" provide some help allowing you to perhaps walk away from a fight you would normally lose as even though your pets are not other players, they are going to attack your attackers and may even get in the way of the guy trying to get you from behind. We see folks try to lure players into NPC's at farms, etc all the time when they are outnumbered, etc, well with pets you might as well be walking around with your own NPC's at all times.

I am wondering if pets were ruled out early in the meta game. I think in the right circumstances, they could be extremely useful, and besides, im tired of playing my Sorc the traditional way and want to try something completely off the wall and different.

I know i have said pets are useless in the past, i still think they probably are not that good, but I want to give them a shoot, who knows i may be pleasantly suprised at how good they are...im not one to stealth with them, so thats a non-issue.

Im not worried if its leet or not, i just want to see if its fun!
Edited by RinaldoGandolphi on December 19, 2014 4:23PM
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  • Samadhi
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    Hope it goes well for you, be interesting to see what kind of results an atypical build could produce.

    Will you go so far as commit to a Necropotence set?
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  • AshySamurai
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    I don't play sorc (but played sorc in beta). Your thoughts pretty interesting, but most players will ignore your pet. IMO pets need buff to be viable choise for offence and defense (2 different morphs - one for each role). Also you can obtain set which give you bonus for pets.
    Edited by AshySamurai on December 19, 2014 5:28PM
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  • RinaldoGandolphi
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    I don't play sorc (but played sorc in beta). You thought pretty interesting, but most players will ignore your pet. IMO pets need buff to be viable choise for offence and defense (2 different morphs - one for each role). Also you can obtain set which gove you bonus for pets.

    This is actually to my benefit and what im counting on, especially from the Twilight Matriach as everytime i get low on health, she fills my HP bar back to full, at some point, he is going to have to kill her if he wants to kill me, and all the while he is also ignoring my Clannfear, who now that the tail swipe attack actually works right could very well end up knocked down, stunned, and hit for quite a good amount of damage or killed while he is too busy worried about me.

    Trying to take advantage of classic tunnel vision...you know what gets most Apex Predators in the wild captured or killed? Tunnel Vision...refusal to pay attention to whats going on around them, and going solely after what is directly in front of them.

    Past patches have fixed many issues with pets, The Clannfear Tail Swipe attack actually works now.

    The Expert Summoner Passive has been fixed, Twilight gets 10% Damage Boost, Clanfear gets 20% movement speed boost, and Storm Atronach gets more range. That Speed boost makes the Clannfear very hard to avoid as he moves almost as fast as a Boundless Storm Sorc.

    I know they have improved pets, and i guess the whole focus of this experiment is to see how much these fixes has improved them and to see if they are viable. :)

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  • Jahosefat
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    I played around with the twilight matriarch a few weeks ago with my crushing shock build. What motivated me was the RS change they announced. The idea is that when RS has a 4 hit limit the projectiles from winged twilight can help keep RS off and be a big mag drain on the DK. I think this may actually work well (barring other changes that have yet to be announced). The winged twilights shoot fast and keep up with me pretty well.

    I also saw it as kind of a mag investment. I didn't put it on my resto bar, so when I swap weapons I get the rebate helping to get off a streak or healing ward etc.

    I played around with the volatile familiar but was less optimistic after testing. He is just too slow and the aoe radius on the stun seems small. I haven't played around with the clanfear yet but came across a guy using it to good effect. It basically acted like the ball of lightning ball only it attracts all projectiles (I think, need to test what all it attracts) and follows you around. I might play with this later, thanks for bringing it up :)

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    Edited by Jahosefat on December 19, 2014 5:03PM
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  • Lynx7386
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    I've been working on leveling a new sorcerer recently, and I'm thinking about doing a resto staff pet build - I've seen Sorcerer healers in pve before do amazing things with the help of their pets.
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    woodsro wrote: »
    I know your thinking...Pets are useless, I am thinking the same thing, but I have a very good idea on how they can be used.

    Please call them familiars or summons.

    Otherwise people can and do mix them up with vanity pets.

    A point in case, about three/four months ago someone posted a thread asking why their crafted set wasn't affecting their pets. Turned out the set bonus was for summoned creatures and they thought it also applied to the pets (it didn't just familiars).
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  • AshySamurai
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    For 2 pets you get 20% max magika reduce. Necropotence Set grants you 12% to max magika for active pet (ok, for familiar).
    ...the Twilight Matriach as everytime i get low on health, she fills my HP bar back to full, at some point, he is going to have to kill her if he wants to kill me...

    Correct me, but it can happen only once per 30 sec. It's a lot of time in battle.
    This idea was inspired by a video i watched a few weeks ago . There was a guy on there...his name slips my mind now,I want to say it was Legend guild, don't quote me on that though, that used pets to very great effect making him extremely hard to kill, while forcing his opponent to have to deal with 2 pets + him at the same time. He seemed to do very very well.

    It would be great if you can find and pay this video.

    Anyway, it could be interesting in PvP.
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    So, what would you put on the last 2x3 slots and use for weapons?
    Bound Armaments, Boundless Storm, Streak and then light attack them to death? :-P
    Edited by Jitterbug on December 19, 2014 5:38PM
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    woodsro wrote: »
    I don't play sorc (but played sorc in beta). You thought pretty interesting, but most players will ignore your pet. IMO pets need buff to be viable choise for offence and defense (2 different morphs - one for each role). Also you can obtain set which gove you bonus for pets.

    This is actually to my benefit and what im counting on, especially from the Twilight Matriach as everytime i get low on health, she fills my HP bar back to full, at some point, he is going to have to kill her if he wants to kill me, and all the while he is also ignoring my Clannfear, who now that the tail swipe attack actually works right could very well end up knocked down, stunned, and hit for quite a good amount of damage or killed while he is too busy worried about me.

    Trying to take advantage of classic tunnel vision...you know what gets most Apex Predators in the wild captured or killed? Tunnel Vision...refusal to pay attention to whats going on around them, and going solely after what is directly in front of them.

    Past patches have fixed many issues with pets, The Clannfear Tail Swipe attack actually works now.

    The Expert Summoner Passive has been fixed, Twilight gets 10% Damage Boost, Clanfear gets 20% movement speed boost, and Storm Atronach gets more range. That Speed boost makes the Clannfear very hard to avoid as he moves almost as fast as a Boundless Storm Sorc.

    I know they have improved pets, and i guess the whole focus of this experiment is to see how much these fixes has improved them and to see if they are viable. :)

    that twilight is not going to work like you want lol hate to burst your bubble there fellow sorc. It does not heal you every time you get low life, it does have a cool down
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    Gorthax wrote: »
    woodsro wrote: »
    I don't play sorc (but played sorc in beta). You thought pretty interesting, but most players will ignore your pet. IMO pets need buff to be viable choise for offence and defense (2 different morphs - one for each role). Also you can obtain set which gove you bonus for pets.

    This is actually to my benefit and what im counting on, especially from the Twilight Matriach as everytime i get low on health, she fills my HP bar back to full, at some point, he is going to have to kill her if he wants to kill me, and all the while he is also ignoring my Clannfear, who now that the tail swipe attack actually works right could very well end up knocked down, stunned, and hit for quite a good amount of damage or killed while he is too busy worried about me.

    Trying to take advantage of classic tunnel vision...you know what gets most Apex Predators in the wild captured or killed? Tunnel Vision...refusal to pay attention to whats going on around them, and going solely after what is directly in front of them.

    Past patches have fixed many issues with pets, The Clannfear Tail Swipe attack actually works now.

    The Expert Summoner Passive has been fixed, Twilight gets 10% Damage Boost, Clanfear gets 20% movement speed boost, and Storm Atronach gets more range. That Speed boost makes the Clannfear very hard to avoid as he moves almost as fast as a Boundless Storm Sorc.

    I know they have improved pets, and i guess the whole focus of this experiment is to see how much these fixes has improved them and to see if they are viable. :)

    that twilight is not going to work like you want lol hate to burst your bubble there fellow sorc. It does not heal you every time you get low life, it does have a cool down

    I know it has a 30 sec cooldown, but that 1 restore of life from the brink of death may be all i need, supplemented with potions in between cooldowns, "in theory" it shouldn't be hard to keep my health up granted i keep the Twilight alive and im thinking empowered ward should help with that somewhat.

    Im not saying this is perfect mind you, or even viable, I just want to try it. The way the game meta has changed since launch, and the fixes they have done to summons, it just may be viable...I was toying around with my Clannfear the other night and i seen it tail swipe more in 15 minutes then i had seen it do it 3 months since the last time i used it...that tail swipe hits hard...with empowered ward it will hit even harder.

    I also believe each attack from your summons also gives you ulty, which means you can get that Greater Storm Atonach out much easier, and that Greater Storm Atronach is a beast..i have seen raids of 8+ back off when i toss it down in front of them, he is a force to be reckoned with.

    I mean i wouldn't be out sneaking around with them and stuff, but just for general combat, it may work, it may not, but im willing to try it...even if its just fun :)

    Im not doing it for competitiveness, im doing it to shake up the monotony of playing a Sorc that revolves around Curse, Mages Wrath, Crystal Frags, Crushing Shock, etc...this will be something completely different.

    im also thinking Boundless Storm over Bolt Escape for the added movement speed, for positioning and some protection , Boundless Storm will still make me pretty darn fast to reposition, preferable behind my pets forcing folks to fight through them to get to me, Boundless Storm is very good for kiting. Im just tossing this of the top of my head, but im dying to try something different besides the same Sorc skills we have been using for months.

    Look on the brightside, when folks kill me, at least they won't be killing the same Sorc metas they have been killing for the last 5 months, atleast it will be something different :)

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  • RinaldoGandolphi
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    For 2 pets you get 20% max magika reduce. Necropotence Set grants you 12% to max magika for active pet (ok, for familiar).
    ...the Twilight Matriach as everytime i get low on health, she fills my HP bar back to full, at some point, he is going to have to kill her if he wants to kill me...

    Correct me, but it can happen only once per 30 sec. It's a lot of time in battle.
    This idea was inspired by a video i watched a few weeks ago . There was a guy on there...his name slips my mind now,I want to say it was Legend guild, don't quote me on that though, that used pets to very great effect making him extremely hard to kill, while forcing his opponent to have to deal with 2 pets + him at the same time. He seemed to do very very well.

    It would be great if you can find and pay this video.

    Anyway, it could be interesting in PvP.

    Yes, but i have a 3 Piece Grace of the Ancients set that gives 4% max magic for 3 piece, plus Necropotence i should only be down 4%..which is doable.

    Yeah their is a 30 second cooldown, but just getting 1 full heal is an advantage in itself though.

    im just curious to try it.

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    "Here in his shrine, that they have forgotten. Here do we toil, that we might remember. By night we reclaim, what by day was stolen. Far from ourselves, he grows ever near to us. Our eyes once were blinded, now through him do we see. Our hands once were idle, now through them does he speak. And when the world shall listen, and when the world shall see, and when the world remembers, that world will cease to be. - Miraak

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    It would be great if you can find and pay this video.

    Anyway, it could be interesting in PvP.

    I can't find the video now, but I found the players who were involved in it.

    httpss://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NT8WqBuBafU

    According to the comments in this video this Legend dual said the following on one of The Arcanus pvp videos:
    -PriMeTiiMe22
    Hey Arcanus, I know in your videos you say pets are bad for pvp, and I used to think the exact same thing but today in the dueling guild "Legend", I went up against a v12 sorc (his name was either superbad or supermad, I don't remeber) and he was using the familiar with the suicide bomb morph and the twilight matriarch with the healing morph and we had a 20 minute duel that we had to end in a draw because neither of us were making any progress. He was using the pets very effectively though so I think if people really like pet classes in pvp they should give them a try. 

    If im not mistaken, Superbad or Supermad is one of the friends of The Arcanus who is a very very good Sorc in his own right, and if i remember correctly PrimeTime wasn't too bad of a player himself in his own right if I am remembering correctly.

    So these were two very skilled players going at it, and this guy found it impressive enough to mention Arcanus that his friend Superbad/Supermad gave him one heck of a fight with pets that neither of them were able to kill one another.

    I'll keep looking for the video, I could have swore i watched a dual vidoe with pets. :)
    Edited by RinaldoGandolphi on December 19, 2014 7:42PM
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  • Hypertionb14_ESO
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    Jitterbug wrote: »
    So, what would you put on the last 2x3 slots and use for weapons?
    Bound Armaments, Boundless Storm, Streak and then light attack them to death? :-P

    i would like to point out that there was someone doing exactly this in some 1v1 Duels and winning that way. People hated him for it, but it was clearly a effective strat.
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    Jitterbug wrote: »
    So, what would you put on the last 2x3 slots and use for weapons?
    Bound Armaments, Boundless Storm, Streak and then light attack them to death? :-P

    That's what I was thinking, maybe weave in Velicious curse or mages wrath on your off bar for an execute or maybe even healing ward for burst if needed.

    Perhaps even bound armaments, power surge, with flawless dawnbreaker on 1 bar for a very good weapon damage increase. I think there is a good many ways to play this.

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    "Here in his shrine, that they have forgotten. Here do we toil, that we might remember. By night we reclaim, what by day was stolen. Far from ourselves, he grows ever near to us. Our eyes once were blinded, now through him do we see. Our hands once were idle, now through them does he speak. And when the world shall listen, and when the world shall see, and when the world remembers, that world will cease to be. - Miraak

  • RinaldoGandolphi
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    Jitterbug wrote: »
    So, what would you put on the last 2x3 slots and use for weapons?
    Bound Armaments, Boundless Storm, Streak and then light attack them to death? :-P

    i would like to point out that there was someone doing exactly this in some 1v1 Duels and winning that way. People hated him for it, but it was clearly a effective strat.

    That's what I remember I wish I could remember who it was, but I do remember that person got a lot of hate for doing it.
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    "Here in his shrine, that they have forgotten. Here do we toil, that we might remember. By night we reclaim, what by day was stolen. Far from ourselves, he grows ever near to us. Our eyes once were blinded, now through him do we see. Our hands once were idle, now through them does he speak. And when the world shall listen, and when the world shall see, and when the world remembers, that world will cease to be. - Miraak

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    Just an update.

    With a 5 piece necropotence set, all my spells get a huge buff. My CF now hits for nearly 800, mages wrath explosion and power overload light attacks hit for around 700 and curse around 6. With pets out my spells will hit like a mack truck.

    I was off on pet numbers on health, but my clannfear has over 3.6k health and testing him he tail swipes about every other attack, it does good damage and I haven't morphed ward yet to increase pet damage.

    They should be pretty tough granted I keep them warded, but I still have to toy with the build, bound armaments does sound appealing though.
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  • Nightreaver
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    Not sure what I am doing wrong or what I am missing but I don't seem to be getting anywhere near the same results.

    VR14 with all passives and max ranks
    Clannfear = quasi Tank/Melee DPS
    Twilight = quasi Healer/Ranged DPS

    Clannfear
    3672 Health
    Main attack - 80 damage every 2 seconds ( 99 with Empowered Ward active)
    Tail Swipe - 190 damage every 8 seconds ( 232 with Empowered Ward active)
    Approximately 64 DPS ( Approximately 80 DPS with Empowered Ward active)
    Only seeing about a 20% increase with EW, not the 30% indicated in the Tooltip)

    Volatile
    2966 Health
    Main attack - 46 damage every 2 seconds (approximately 23 DPS)
    Currently broke and does not explode when it dies or is unsummoned

    Twilight (Healer Morph)
    1412 Health
    Main attack - 182 every 2 seconds (Approximately 91 DPS when not healing)
    Casts a 4 second channeled heal that heals for 182 per second (728 total, does not appear to be effected by Empowered Ward)

    Twilight (Magicka regen Morph)
    1412 Health
    Increased my Magicka regen by 8%, not the 13% I was expecting as stated in the Tool Tip, guessing it only increases base regen

    Note: Regeneration from the Resto Staff WAS a real nice ability when it would heal both the Caster and the summoned Daedra. But last update stealth nerfed it so that it no longer affects them.

    Would personally much rather see 4 summoned Daedra that each fulfilled one role real well than two that each fill two roles poorly.
    Edited by Nightreaver on December 20, 2014 12:23AM
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  • Dracane
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    Your brought up some wrong facts. I have experimented a lot with the pets.
    But you said, your clanfear hits for 1k, this means 1000 damage. I don't believe that. I guess, you mean 100 damage ? Please tell me if possible.

    In PvE, the clannfear is a great tank. But in PvP.... who is stupid enough to care for the pets ? The volatile familiar is definately the PvP morph. It puts high presure on your enemy, because you can let it explode whenever you want.

    The Twilights attack is not blockable and not reflectable, same goes for the familiar. The Twilight sacrifises 45% of its health, to heal you for 45% of your max health. I found this effect to be very underwhelming so far. Because its heal channel will instantly stop, if you move too much. And maybe for damage comparison. The time between 1 Twilight attack and the other is exactly as long, as it takes you to cast 2 mage's furies.

    The summoning tree is definately very interesting. I'm using it since a few days, but haven't had any PvP random encounters so far to to test it in 1vs1.

    Maybe a small hint. The damage of all your pets scales with your max magicka, not with spell damage ;) My Twilight hits for 270 damage. But only, if the enemy has 0 spell resistance. So I'm a bit exaggerating here. My Atronach does over 9500 damage in 28 seconds, with empowered ward against 0 spell resistance mobs. Against players in PvP and guards, it's far less.
    Edited by Dracane on December 20, 2014 12:37AM
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  • JaJaLuka
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    woodsro wrote: »
    I know your thinking...Pets are useless, I am thinking the same thing, but I have a very good idea on how they can be used.

    Please call them familiars or summons.

    Otherwise people can and do mix them up with vanity pets.

    A point in case, about three/four months ago someone posted a thread asking why their crafted set wasn't affecting their pets. Turned out the set bonus was for summoned creatures and they thought it also applied to the pets (it didn't just familiars).

    No need to change language from pets to summons because you can't use the item pets that ZoS has given us in PvP at all anyway.
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  • RinaldoGandolphi
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    Yes I made a mistake with damage numbers, got confused between it and magic when I was typing it out. The numbers you guys posted sound about right. Its not huge, but its not terrible either.

    After testing myself, I came up with a similar conclusion. The pets simply don't do enough damage. Ahh well its was Wirth it to give it a shot. Maybe they will make pets better soon.

    Also seems daedric protection is bugged no longer increases health regen.

    There have been some improvements now the clannfear actually tail swipes now when he rarely did before. If they buff pets a bit though, they will be viable.
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  • RinaldoGandolphi
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    Yes dracane I miss typed my clannfear tail swipe hits for about 230 with empowered ward.

    Its was totally a mistake on my part and I apologize.
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  • Woolenthreads
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    Closure or lack thereof will be the key in PvP involving pets, since I suspect everybody's strategy for dealing with pets is the same for dealing with Necromancers and other PvE Summoners, take out the caster and the summoned goes away. As the summoner you have to tank/heal the damage until the summons beat the opponent to death.
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  • NordJitsu
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    I use the twilight when dueling and ganking. Empowered Ward is pretty great (I have it maxed.)

    The problems with pets were that they didn't stealth, which was fixed, and that they went down too quickly to AOE.

    AoE resistance for pets is something I've advocated for since beta.

    That's going to be a nice buff and maybe make them viable in group pvp, rather than just small scale.
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