AshySamurai wrote: »

bellanca6561n wrote: »

AshySamurai wrote: »

bellanca6561n wrote: »

AshySamurai wrote: »

I remember both of this quests. But we already have topic like this, [Spoilers] Sad moments in PvE

Oh, I figured there had to be something. But most topics need to be brought up repeatedly due to the nature of forums, the way topics are listed, and to give folks a chance to get their opinions or feelings expressed on the first page or two of one.

All I want to say is that you should use search tool next time. Also, you created topic in wrong section. The best place for it in PvE thread but not in General.(Link).

I know this is your event, Ashy, but I trust you also know it's annoying. Then again, I'm annoying you. So, I guess we're even

Well, there always will be something that can annoy you. Just accept it. What about me? I'm fine. Sometimes this forum have a tonns of clone topics. I don't know if you remeber wolfhoud crisis. And try to count all topics about global AH or daedric armor. Now we have only this one and original topic in other section. Not a big deal if you ask me.

Actually I've got my own version of it, Ashy - clone posts within topics with few posts to begin with. Folks see the topic and jump right to Leave a Comment.

We'd prefer that people treated forums as they do live conversations....well....something akin to that. But they don't.

I've had a devil of a time with the search function on this forum and I always look first...and fail. Was just in Coldharbor's Hollow City, for instance, and I had NO IDEA that the alchemy reagent farming had become so grovelingly and robotically grievous there even at 8AM. But I could not find the recent poll topic on that very subject. But I'm not going to start another topic on it.

It won't matter anyway. Not issues like that. Not pleas for Auction Houses, nor complaints about a motif that disappoints. But this subject only asks for something that players can deliver - recollections of experiences that mattered to them.

You can't have too much of that.

Oh, and I LOVE the Daedric shield

The reason, I think, is that they're simply not as provocative or well written as those of the other two. The bad guys are too bad and their motives are unsympathetic...in some cases, such as King Ranser and Septima Tharn, they lack any motivation at all....they're just evil, that's why.

First rule of villains is they don't see themselves as villains. Look at Tanval Indoril for instance in the Pact. The calamities he causes - and the very source of those calamities - come from a belief most of us share: that desperate times call for desperate measures. The very existence of the Brothers of Strife comes from belief in that.

What's more you get to meet the people who become the Brothers of Strife before they turn into mindless monsters. They really don't want to do this, Sadal especially, but they feel they are doing a duty few of us would disagree with.

Moral ambiguity is at the heart of all stories written for adults. There's simply more of that in the story lines of the Pact and Dominion than there are for the Covenant, in my opinion. And I think that's what you're seeing reflected here.

Though I did love Emeric....for exactly the reason you cite

However much it pains me to admit it, you might be right. But I think the examples of moral ambiguity and hard choices you have cited refer not to the EP storyline as a whole, but rather to Dunmers as a race with very interesting background and at times twisted moral code. Their sky-high pride, unwillingness to compromise and overall awesomeness make the quests much more interesting to follow. Can't say the same for the Nord quests, for instance.

Another thing might be that DC is the most balanced and natural of the alliances lore-wise, and there is no race that deems themselves higher than the other two *cough* High Elves *cough*. And while generally it is a good thing, it leaves us with less tension and less moral ambiguity as a result.

Plus, the first choice of faction has an immense influence on how well a player appreciates the story, that's not a secret (This is probably why I'd take Darien over Razum-dar or Naryu anytime.)

For me it all came down to Dunmers too, and the uncanny ability of the authors to use Dark Elves as a vehicle - in the most classic sense of epic fantasy - to express the worst in us and the best in us.

This combination inspires story telling in a way that....well....you can't with characters who are too vanilla (Bretons) or too alien.

It inspires character art as well....


That said, my favorite of the Pact NPCs was Walks in Ash. You meet her almost from the very beginning and she remains a singular figure of wisdom and courage until the very end.

Siluen wrote: »

Not going to give any spoilers, but I think those that have done the quest will understand which one I am talking about.

A quest that really got to me was a quest in the Rift, where you are investigating a mine where people get captured and subsequently disappear. As you get to the mine, you meet a Dunmer spy that lets herself get captured to investigate the operations from the inside...

... I have mercilessly killed every Hagraven in sight ever since.

Tovisa.

I generally just fast click to skip the scenes without looking at it, until I noticed Razun-Dar. I got kind attached to the character and started to love the whole persona, and at some point I was fast clicking and saw I had missed something, seeing the cave crumble, the sand fall down under Razun-Dar as he died. I was like "no! No! What have I done?! cannot I change it?!". I was kinda dismayed, as it was too late, a bit sad that I would not see him again. To much my happiness he came back later. That got me good time.

In a good way I found it so cool whe nthe giant in eatmarch kicks you to enter the fortress. That was pretty unexpected and hilarious.

One more thing about Dunmers in this game is that they also inspire the most serious roleplayers. It's not enough to experience the Dunmeri saga as told to us by developers. For them they have to live it on their own.

Yes, videos like these would bore most pure gamers. Yet most of the key roleplayers have played though to the conventional end game and quickly became bored with it. Virtual world gaming, before the term MMO was coined, had as much stress on the world part as on the gaming part.

Every quest where, at the end, the NPC in question (usually an attractive female of some type) says "You've done so much for me, I dont know how I can ever thank you!" and then proceeds to give you nothing, or some piece of crappy loot that I wouldnt have used 10 levels ago much less now, as a reward. I can think of far better ways to be repaid, and for a supposed role playing game ESO isnt allowing me to be the philandering scoundrel I typically run as.

One that made my skin crawl as it gradually dawned on me what was going on.....

The quest in question is in the Public Dungeon, Forgotten Crypts.

The one with The Mane for me, and many others which, unfortunately, have faded in my memory too much for me to recount them here. There are some gut-wrenchers, to be sure.

I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned the end of the main quest. When I realized what decision I was going to have to make, I had a bit of an emotional meltdown in guild chat, "yelling" in all caps that "Nooooooooo", I couldn't and wouldn't do it. Several people had to talk me down and comfort me.

Afterwards, my character had to go and sit on a deserted beach for a very long time, staring out to sea and being all emo. It was amazingly depressing.

bellanca6561n wrote: »

A friend, for example, who's a tough Texas rancher with a Sam Elliot accent replayed one quest multiple times hoping to alter the outcome because it had disturbed him so.

May I have your friend's phone number?

The end of the final assault in coldharbour got to me most. I was in the Daggerfall covenant, so I had met Darien Gautier quite a few times in my travels in High rock, from the Werewolves of Camlorn to the Vampires of Rivenspire, even in Bangkorai. When Darien had talked about how everything in Coldharbour reminded him of a dream he had, but that he doesnt know how it ends as there was just a big bright light, I was curious what that meant, and after it was all over, it was obvious why that was always the end of his dream...

Reaper's March's storyline came in second for me, I really grew on the characters and seeing the ending all go down was saddening. Of course, I cant forget that moment in the Ayleid ruin with Razum-dar. I took a long time on that choice, but I decided in the end that he was right, and left him there as he asked. Naturally, I was happy - but surprised - when I saw he had managed to still get out alive.

Thinking it over, it almost feels like there was an imbalance of Daggerfall Covenant characters in Coldharbours zone storyline - I recognized tons of DC characters, but there weren't too man from others, so less reference dialogue options and by extension less impactful moments for the other alliances playthroughs. Even the Ayleid king had extra dialogue because of a DC quest.