The dungeon is doable but has added hard factor in it because of the blocking not working. IMO it is bug that should be fixed and it is also diminishing my enjoyment of this dungeon.

Swen_von_Walhallion wrote: »

Well i was here yesterday on vet 12, with my VR14 NB as tank ( have 1h/s and heavy armor only on 30 and it was my 1st tanking with NB) and i have no problems with inc dmg. I wipe only thx my mystake when step in to the aoe from whisp at imril but imril alene make me nearly nothing. And on Rilis i have no problem tank bos and 2-3 deadrots at some time. Mebe is something wrong on your side or on your healer, and hit for 500 is not big isue for decent tank and decent healer ( have templar healer and play it more then my nb)

I don't think you're understanding the post. 509 damage isn't killing me. However, the healer is only v6, 509 damage CONSTANTLY going on to the tank won't be something they can sustain.

On top of that, if you watched the video, you can clearly see I'm at hard cap for armor and JUST shy (less than 1%) of hard cap on spell resist. I'm inclined to believe you have no clue what you're talking about if you think there could possibly be something "on my end" as far as the tanking goes... Block. Isn't. Working.

And sorcs don't have a strong way to tap tank. We can use a few options but none of them can sustain against the 800 damage MINIMUM hits we take from Imiril and Rilis dude, sorry. 800 per hit, with 3k HP, is a almost 1/3 of my HP per hit, that's not right. That damage is supposed to be mitigated further or only comes if I miss a power attack, things like that.

And just for the record, for those of you who think Dark Deal is a viable means of "tap tanking" so to speak. It's not. It's only 370ish HP per tick for cost of stamina which leaves you wide open to other attacks. You can "soften" the blow, but only until your stamina runs out. That's hardly viable.

Now I showed you my vid, if you're claiming it's "so easy" then show me yours or I'm just going to consider your post a fabrication of facts. Anyone can record video, you don't need to stream it.

I tanked that boss (and the 3 daedroths) with a sorcerer a few days ago. It was quite easy compared to some other dungeons bosses ...

Gyudan wrote: »

I tanked that boss (and the 3 daedroths) with a sorcerer a few days ago. It was quite easy compared to some other dungeons bosses ...

Again.
Yet again.

NO one is saying anything about the difficulty of any of the mechanics. I tank it as a NB, the OP has tanked it as a Sorc. Several times, in fact hundreds of times since they changed the hard mode to the daedroth adds. Dozens of times since 1.5 and hundreds more since January in PTS.

It is simply a broken mechanic. Broken as in it doesn't work. Block mitigates absolutely 0 damage so there is no point to blocking. FFS.

IF blocking isn't suppose to be mitigating any damage at all from spell projectiles as @The_Adoring_Fan‌ is suggesting then not only is that the absolute stupidest thing I've ever heard, but it means that other bosses are broken. Shouldn't be able to block Nerien'Eth's spell projectile or the final boss in fungal for that matter.

The_Adoring_Fan wrote: »

We're evaluating this issue, as allowing spell projectile base attacks from bosses to be mitigated by blocking introduces some new balance concerns.

We're definitely looking at making Rilis' base projectile attack able to be dodged, at least. Imril should be able to be blocked, so we will address that and get a fix out in a future patch.

First off, thank you for responding and noting the issue.

Now this is where we have some fun...

Stating that spell projectiles shouldn't be mitigated? What? Most of the game is spell projectiles... Let's run through the list of spell projectiles that are allowed to be blocked. We'll only consider ones that are along the same lines, though not ONLY light attacks:

We'll go through each Vet Dungeon (not all bosses are considered for this list if they are capable of being completed by a group of two 700 DPS in less than 1 minute in a vet 12 dungeon; all damage is considered on a v14 tank from a v12 mob). This list also ONLY lists bosses who's basic attack, and a secondary attack fits the description of a "spell projectile," and not the melee based bosses.

Vet CoH: 4 out of 4 (total: 4 out of 4)

Ruzozuzalpamaz's (spider daedra boss) basic attacks (same as Rilis) are blockable.

Ilambris Amalgarn's (giant golemn) basic attacks (in both lightening and fire form) are blockable.

Mezeleth's (2nd to last boss, crazy fire aoe/sucks you in mechanics... MUCH better now than before 1.5 btw, great job!) basic attacks are blockable.

Nerien'Eth's basic attack (just like Rilis) AND his charged heavy attack that can both be blocked. Without blocking them the damage output is far too high, and the charged attack can kill you. Now, stating that you simply must dodge roll them means that we need a far more sufficient means of stamina replenishment because potions won't keep up with light attacks (the basic attacks do 800+ to a fully mitigated spell resist V14 tank in a V12 zone and come far too frequently to use dodge roll).

Vet Wayrest: 2 out of 4 (total: 6 out of 8)

Malubeth's basic attacks (same as Rilis) are blockable.

Garron's basic attacks (same as Rilis) are blockable.

Vet Darkshade Caverns: 2 out of 4 (total: 8 out of 10)

The Fallen Foreman's basic attacks (same as Rilis) are blockable.

Grubull's basic attacks (same as Rilis) are blockable.

Vet Elden Hollow: 1 out of 6 (total: 9 out of 16)

The Shadow Guard's basic attacks (same as Rilis) are blockable.

BOGDAN: We will NOT COUNT this guys fire breath OR over head fire spit as a "projectile" since it damages in an AoE type.

Vet Fungal Grotto: 3 out of 5 (total: 12 out of 21)

Ciirenas's basic attacks (same as Rilis) are blockable.

Spawn of Mephala's (Vet FG) crystal frag is blockable and would one shot you if it wasn't, dodging is a horrible method since she still drops threat at random times and you are required to perform blocks if you are not the tank due to low armor mitigation numbers. On top of that, Stamina DPS is already at a vast disability when having to use stamina to mitigate damage (sprint or roll out of aoe's or direct attacks as well as blocking some damage) and by not allowing the mitigation of some projectiles that we have no control over who they assault you're just furthering this issue entirely.

Vila Theran's (Vet FG) basic attack is blockable, again, 800ish damage to a fully mitgated v14 tank in v12 vet dungeon.

Vet Spindle Clutch: 1 out of 5 (total: 13 out of 26)

Praxin's basic attacks (same as Rilis) are blockable.

Vet Banished Cells: 2 out of 4 (total: 15 out of 30)

Twin Harvesters have a basic attack (same as Rilis) that is blockable.

Rilis has a basic attack that CANNOT BE BLOCKED!

Vet CoH: 3 out of 5 (18 out of 35)

Rukhan has no spell projectiles, but the Mage that is up with him does and his basic attacks (same as Rilis) are blockable.

Urata's basic attacks (same as Rilis) are blockable.

Ash Titan: This one is a bit more difficult. The basic attacks are treated as projectiles in that they can be dodges resulting in no ground AoE. The initial damage can be blocked.

GRAND TOTAL OF SPELL PROJECTILE ATTACK BOSSES: 18 out of 35 (more than half)

COUNTLESS basic mobs who are mage's of one type or another ALL have basic attacks (same as Rilis) and are all blockable.

As you can see in the list here, @the_adoring_fan (I've been notified that you're not a developer, which puts me at great ease since you didn't seem to understand how the game functioned), the data weighs against your words. As a matter of fact, more than half (by 1) of your boss fights utilize spell projectiles. So either you're information on not being able to block spell projectiles is wrong, or you're going to force every tank into a magicka build so that we can find a way to mitigate more damage. Light armor tanks are already a near necessity... Don't crap on your own game by doing this out of pure instinct just to get spell resist up high enough to mitigate enough damage...

Conclusion:

Rilis is the ONLY ONE of your enemies that holds a basic attack, or any spell projectile, that does not respect the pattern of all other zones.

I'd like to note, again, that Rilis worked the same as all of the others UNTIL 1.5 hit. If your intent was to not allow any spell projectiles to be blocked you'd have a LIST of issues that you're no where near addressing. As a tank, how would I not be capable of blocking spell projectiles, since a projectile is considered to have a physical nature.

I've said this before and I'll say it again: Developers don't understand their game the way gamers do. ADDENDUM: People who take the place of our beloved Gina and Jessica might have even less knowledge of the game.

Gyudan wrote: »

For that fight, tanking the boss himself doesn't matter as much as the 3 daedroths.

Sure, if your group doesn't have to flee from lightning bolts. But let that boss smack the DPS for 1.2k per hit. Healer has to heal the tank with daedroth(s) AND whoever else is taking damage from the boss. You've lost your mind.

On top of that, what you're talking about isn't even relevant to the actual issue. It's like the internet is full of people who have this desire to sound smart by contradicting someone else. Well you don't sound smart, you look obstructive to the point being made, which is far from smart.

The_Adoring_Fan wrote: »

Alright, after poking some of the other dungeon designers, we concede that the messaging is unclear in a number of cases.

So in response to this, multiple boss basic spell projectiles, including Rilis's base attack, have been updated so that they can now be blocked. They have also been scaled to have a slight damage increase. You'll see this change in 1.6's patch notes.

Some projectiles with special boss mechanics are excluded from this change, and will be able to be blocked on a case-by-case basis as before.

Dungeon Scaling introduced a number of cases where a boss's damage felt particularly anemic when compared to their peers, so their power was increased. This lead to Rilis in particular becoming more difficult to deal with for some groups with his original mechanics.

BEAUTIFUL! Now that I can figure out my mitigation tactics again Vet BC might be my favorite dungeon again.

I don't mind the increased damage, it's important to provide a challenge, particularly at its toughest level. It is when the power to perform my role as a tank is completely taken out of my hands and I literally become useless to my group.

I appreciate the responses and I'm glad to see that the difficulty, along with mechanics, are being corrected and adjusted to continue to provide us PvE group end gamers a challenge!!!

When we tank both of these bosses we used my archer dk to tank them, I'd apply inner beast and just dodge around avoiding the hits or projectiles with ease. Eventually I moved on to just tank the 3 daemons on the last boss (5 is max I could tank doing this)