Is too much storage space bad?

Barik · December 2014

I myself don't think there is enough bank space. I feel that the developers of the game should make a large amount of storage space instantly available at the start of the game.
Having enough storage space means we can collect things that we have a back story with. I myself would love to be able to keep my disguises and certain weapons/armour just because its what I do in TES games.
In Skyrim I liked how I could buy a house and put my unique weapons and items up for display in my house. Although they weren't useful to me anymore becuase I was a master enchanter/potion maker it still had a personal value to me.
Even without collecting though, in ESO I like to store all the materials I find so I can use them to level up my charchter's skill later. I have every green/blue weapon I found in the game in the guild bank so later when my skill extraction skill is at it's highest I can get the most amount of raw materials back from it.

So what's so bad about having "too much" storage space? Does it affect the game or the economy that much? I mean if the developers were to make it so you start with 100 bank space and got +50 for every upgrade up to 1000 bank space.... doesn't it just make the game more convenient and accommodate those players who enjoy collecting items?

Munku · December 2014

They wanted storage space to be limited so that you don't horde

NordJitsu · December 2014

Totally agree. Right now it's just an annoying chore to manage your storage space.

I instantly destroy all trophies and costumes I get.

I'd like to be able to keep them.

PSLAnimal · December 2014

Munku wrote: »

They wanted storage space to be limited so that you don't horde

How would too much storage space cause us to join a large group of unruly people? I can see how too little storage space might do that, but not too much.

Rosveen · December 2014

Beats me. Between Cadwell's Almanac, bank space and hirelings, it's like the devs purposely designed alts as storage mules.

Barik · December 2014

What's wrong with hoarding? What's wrong with keeping our trophies, disguises and weapons/armour that holds a special place in our heart?
Doesn't this connect us more to our account. There have been many instances on the "W" word that players bought game time just to LOOK at their character. Just because they had all these pets, items etc that they couldn't let go of.

Having ALOT of storage space means being able to keep things because they hold personally value. And when one personally values something it creates a stronger connection to the account than when one values something over gameplay reasons.

Barik · December 2014

Rosveen wrote: »

Beats me. Between Cadwell's Almanac, bank space and hirelings, it's like the devs purposely designed alts as storage mules.

Which is inconvenient. There are ways when making a game "convenient" that it is bad for the game. For example spoon-feeding easy content to players. However allowing players the convenience of not having to log into 5 characters to find out where you put a specific item is not one of them.

xaraan · December 2014

Yes, too much is bad. It keeps players from hording all kinds of stuff and forces them to make decisions and do work to keep what they want the most.

That being said, I wouldn't mind a little more space. But too many players ask for too much storage IMO when you look at the game from a multiplayer standpoint of balance.

NordJitsu · December 2014

Rosveen wrote: »

Beats me. Between Cadwell's Almanac, bank space and hirelings, it's like the devs purposely designed alts as storage mules.

6 of my 8 characters are currently used for storage.

firstdecan · December 2014

If I remember correctly, it was part of having the character make meaningful choices. You can only have so much and have to limit what you keep on hand.

IMO, they didn't think it through, and underestimated the things players would want to keep.

dharbert · December 2014

How does my having every armor set in the game, or stacks of every crafting material in my bank affect anyone else's gameplay? It doesn't......not in the slightest.

Barik · December 2014

firstdecan wrote: »

If I remember correctly, it was part of having the character make meaningful choices. You can only have so much and have to limit what you keep on hand.

IMO, they didn't think it through, and underestimated the things players would want to keep.

A meaningful choice should be done in a way that rewards a player. Having to choose a paticular quest line that than effects the outcome the the quest and possibly even world is a meaningful choice that rewards the player. Having to give up our costumes, trophies and crafting goods so we can progress in our crafting skills is not a good "meaningful choice"

xaraan wrote: »

when you look at the game from a multiplayer standpoint of balance.

I think this is the REAL reason why we have limited storage. If every player decided to keep all their best crafting goods even if they couldn't use it than it could possibly upset the player economy. Making the prices for Rekuta 15k instead of 2k. But maybe it wouldn't?

I mean is there any proof that having to much storage space would upset the player economy?

And honestly its not that we don't have enough storage space. We can have 7 character pack mules which start with 60 each thats 420 plus bank space and your main which would possibly have more from horse upgrades and pack upgrades.

Guild Bank space however can't be considered in this equation because most guilds have an open bank policy and you don't want to risk putting your good gear when it can be taken. Unless you restrict access to everyone which is just cruel... lol.

Thing is we have enough space... when we have 6-7 pack mules but it makes the game incredibly annoying and inconvenient when it doesn't have to be.

hutchinsonhatch · December 2014

Barik wrote: »

I myself don't think there is enough bank space. I feel that the developers of the game should make a large amount of storage space instantly available at the start of the game.
Having enough storage space means we can collect things that we have a back story with. I myself would love to be able to keep my disguises and certain weapons/armour just because its what I do in TES games.

It's a double-edged sword in my opinion.

Quite a number of players like to collect stuff like you do, which is perfectly fine. The bigger number of players use the provided space for a purpose bearing a certain danger: They fill it with materials for alts that don't "live in the world", and therefore are "bored with the game" much earlier.

If you had barely enough space for collectibles, disguises, costumes and materials corresponding to your crafting abilities, the game wouldn't be worn out that fast for many people.

ZOS has found a perfect weight between income and cost with respect to bags and bank-space and still ensuring that you can buy a horse before reaching VR1, without grinding. This is a good thing.

I still sell materials I already outlevelled and make any character earn their stuff on their own.

Woolenthreads · December 2014

firstdecan wrote: »

If I remember correctly, it was part of having the character make meaningful choices. You can only have so much and have to limit what you keep on hand.

IMO, they didn't think it through, and underestimated the things players would want to keep.

Heh! If there'd been enough space I'm thinking there would have been people who kept every scrap of armour handed out at the end of region quests

. Like the Glenumbran Lion Guard Armour for instance.

abigfishy · December 2014

I kept my Lion Guard set in my private guild bank until about a week ago when I filled its 500 spots and had to have a cleanout. Discovered I had about 200 recipies including up to 6 copies of some. A lot more space now.

The bound stuff like costumes is a pain I wish they weren't bound on pickup and I cannot see the logic there. I would love to be able to buy and sell them in stores or give them to friends.

What I really miss and most want is housing with mannequins like we had in Skyrim. I want to be able to display and see my old gear that is currently just siting on a bank alt waiting for that far off day.

I don't see why housing is such a low priority. It would be loved by most Elder Scrolls veterans and while I am against a cash shop in general we had the horse so a basic house that can be bought for cash (as opposed to a BETTER one bough in game for gold) would surely make them a lot of extra income.

Elsonso · December 2014

Barik wrote: »

Having ALOT of storage space means being able to keep things because they hold personally value. And when one personally values something it creates a stronger connection to the account than when one values something over gameplay reasons.

Having LIMITED storage space means that you prioritize what you want to keep, making those things that you do keep more personally valuable than the junk that you dispose of.

firstdecan wrote: »

IMO, they didn't think it through, and underestimated the things players would want to keep.

I am fairly certain that they thought it through. If the space or cost for additional space was arbitrary, they would have changed it already.

No one needs to have mule alts. The game is entirely playable without them.

Skullemainia · December 2014

I have a solution for you,
start a guild, when you have 10 guildmembers you have a 500 space guildbank for you. you can make the bank so that only you can use the bank. if you are a social type of player you can search for more members and start chatting in guildchat and doing things with your guildmembers. if you aren't and people are leaving your guild cause there is nothing you do in your guild, np, the bank stays intact. it's accesable from all your char. it's the best way of having more bankspace.

Skullemainia · December 2014

srry for my crappy english

abigfishy · December 2014

lordrichter wrote: »

No one needs to have mule alts. The game is entirely playable without them.

This is true. But also no-one needs to be a crafter. No-one needs to be in a guild. No-one even needs to play PvP.

The game is entirely playable without them...but it isn't as much fun.

Elsonso · December 2014

abigfishy wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

No one needs to have mule alts. The game is entirely playable without them.

This is true. But also no-one needs to be a crafter. No-one needs to be in a guild. No-one even needs to play PvP.

The game is entirely playable without them...but it isn't as much fun.

The thing is that people with mule alts don't seem to be having fun. At least, those who come into the forums to complain about a lack of storage space do not seem to be having fun.

Correct me if I am wrong. Are mule alts fun to play?

OrphanHelgen · December 2014

lordrichter wrote: »

abigfishy wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

No one needs to have mule alts. The game is entirely playable without them.

This is true. But also no-one needs to be a crafter. No-one needs to be in a guild. No-one even needs to play PvP.

The game is entirely playable without them...but it isn't as much fun.

The thing is that people with mule alts don't seem to be having fun. At least, those who come into the forums to complain about a lack of storage space do not seem to be having fun.

Correct me if I am wrong. Are mule alts fun to play?

I don't use my alts as storage for one reason only: It is not fun. I hate log in and log out. I have thought about it once or twice, but I am actually glad I don't have that much space. Its too many items to look through and too much time invested in items I don't need or like.

badmojo · December 2014

Too much storage is indeed a bad thing, but it's hard to have any rational discussion on these forums because so many people have a personal interest in having more.

Wreuntzylla · December 2014

Keep in mind that your gear, trophies, etc., are account bound. I personally love the account bound system in this game and would rather have that than another 760 bank slots.

In any case, the tediousness really comes in because of crafting and the mail cap. Logging in and out 16 times a day because of the hireling mail system is dreary to the point of being painful.

There are addons that make inventory management much, much easier. For example, when character X goes to the bank she withdraws all the woodworking material automatically. However, none of the addons save you from having to serially relog.

What I want: Receive all hireling mails with the first login; and a crafting material bank. Make it a gold sink, I don't care.

SteveCampsOut · December 2014

Munku wrote: »

They wanted storage space to be limited so that you don't horde

What gives them the right to manage my hordes of minions?

Wreuntzylla · December 2014

Hoard, horde, ***. It's not his fault there are so many ways to write out the same sound.

zaria · December 2014

I have 3 bank alts, one is for collectibles, costumes and gear I want to keep.
One is for lower level high quality gear for alts leveling up.
Last is for VR12-14 partial sets and bound items.
With separate storage for costumes and collectible I could retire one.

Moonscythe · December 2014

Hoard = a stock or store of money or valued objects, typically one that is secret or carefully guarded…by a horde of unruly people (or a dragon).

I think one can never have too much space for their stuff.

abigfishy · December 2014

lordrichter wrote: »

The thing is that people with mule alts don't seem to be having fun. At least, those who come into the forums to complain about a lack of storage space do not seem to be having fun.

Correct me if I am wrong. Are mule alts fun to play?

It is a good point you make no they are not fun to play. But just destroying stuff I have collected is even less fun. I really like collecting stuff it is a part of the Elder Scrolls experience.

I wish there was more space for bound items. Like I say it is annoying that trophies, costumes etc are bound otherwise I would just put them in my guild bank.

Hirelings are also an issue. Some people make a fortune from their 5+ hireling mules that they just log into twice a day and collect stuff from. THen they have to move the stuff to the correct mule and that is the tedious bit.

This is the BAD situation some of us find ourselves in.

Character 1: Main V14 want to play.
Character 2: Alt V1 levelling.
Character 3: Alt level 20 trying somethig wacky.
Character 4: Bank Mule and Hireling in Metal, Wood, Clothing, Enchanting and Provisioning. Stores Enchanting stuff.
Character 5: Bank Mule and Hireling in Metal, Wood, Clothing, Enchanting and Provisioning. Stores Provisioning stuff.
Character 6: Bank Mule and Hireling in Metal, Wood, Clothing, Enchanting and Provisioning. Stores Metal, Cloth and Wood stuff.
Character 7: Bank Mule and Hireling in Metal, Wood, Clothing, Enchanting and Provisioning. Stores maps, trophies and costumes.
Character 8: Bank Mule and Hireling in Metal, Wood, Clothing, Enchanting and Provisioning. Stores old bound sets of gear.

I want to spend my time playing characters 1-3. But the only way to get the rare provisioning stuff is with a hireling and the rare crafting materials are worth a fortune so it is log in to characters 4-8 collect their stuff, then log in again to give the stuff I have just collected to the right mule blah, blah, blah. Such a chore. You are right these bank alts are no fun. Why do we have this system forced on us?

Iluvrien · December 2014

abigfishy wrote: »

Such a chore. You are right these bank alts are no fun. Why do we have this system forced on us?

So as to gently suggest that people not get themselves into the situation you outlined... and if they do then they do so with foreknowledge of what the result will be.

Gilvoth · December 2014

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Moonshadow66 · December 2014

I was kinda pissed back then when the game was new and I started to run low on inventory/bank space (I only had 1 character for quite a while), and I was forced to delete the first 3 pets (Scuttler/Mudcrab/Monkey). I'm usually not running around with pets, but it would be sweet to have at least the Scuttler back.

I also used to destroy disguises if they didn't disappear after the quest, but after creating and playing more characters, I got some of them again and kept them in an alt's inventory, just in case.

The trophies I always delete, except for the ones I played with a certain someone and got these. But, they are funny once, after seeing their effects there's not really a need in doing it again imo. It would be different if they actually would have f.e. some damage/healing effect in combat.

Anyways, yes, it'd be great to have more space, especially for these special items.