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Agrippa_Invisus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »RadioheadSh0t wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »Hey Agrippa, yeah I generally agree with you it is dumb regardless who does it. The person I quoted just had so much snark in his post I wondered if the irony was lost on him (or her).
I wish people would choose to not do it. I think that's the solution. But as long as human nature prevails ("but they did it to us!") the cheesiness and cycle of angst will continue.
On a side note I dunno which guild is talking about smashing red; if it's an AD guild I appreciate the sentiment though most days when I log in I don't see that much evidence of red being smashed. :-)
I'm referring to a quote earlier in this thread. Guild name's in their signature.RadioheadSh0t wrote: »Low pops or no opposition? Go farm. It's healthier for competition. Once the population is 2 bars across the board, that's when you're going to start seeing a challenge.
Even in the middle of the night, EP still has a numbers advantage.
So, with the logic you stated above, we're perfectly free to push at all times since pops are even.
And, unlike EP, we don't need to use dirty tactics (lag-bombing) to cap.
I care less about EP capping during low pops than using shameful exploits to try and win. If you can't win without standing in the corner of a keep lagging out the game for everyone, unsub because you're obviously terrible. I'm so sick of seeing a certain EP guild use this tactic on a nightly basis.
Arrius will forever be known as 'Nymeria's Lag Palace.'
Lemme guess. You plan on back capping and pushing EP until they have one keep, Arrius, and then you're going to kvetch about the lag.
Here's a hint -- there are strats that get you what you want (your scroll, maybe even Arrius) without doing that. Try them! Yes, they involve some patience beyond 'herpaderp, push towards EP, send GK or MM to back cap (Lord knows they can't take a defended keep), then wonder why it lags'.
Yeah, you got it... Good job... HAH!
Completely sidestep my point about intentional lag-bombing... How about we hear your stance on intentional lag-bombing before you get on your soapbox about 'strats.'
Either you're going to:
A) ignore the point completely
Deny (falsely) that anyone does this
Or
C) Acknowledge the fact that you have a well-known EP guild that intentionally lags out fights.
This guild doesn't just do it at Arrius. They ran into Ash in the middle of a AD/DC, ran to the tower above the front gate, and lagged out the entire fight.
That's just one example of what I see them do multiple times a night, and it's not just Arrius.
In sick and tired of seeing it, and anyone who denies what they're doing is either ignorant, in denial, or covering for them.
You want my opinion?
I think you're BSing to cover your own rear end.
When I've had to order my guild to wipe out due to the server dying while staring at the people tagged with a certain guild from AD the flags, I know who's causing it.
It lags when AD and EP are fighting because AD's there on the flags.
You're either being intentionally obtuse or ignorant.
Either way, enjoy your lag. Forcing the opposition into a smaller and smaller pen just contributes towards it. Lord only knows you won't stop, because that big meany Agrippa mentioned it.
I like how you place all blame on AD and neglect the things your own alliance do.
Ignorance truly is bliss.
http://imgur.com/1f7vaKV
I like how you pick only one of my posts, a page and a half later, and reply to it!
GOOD JERB.
And, hey look, an image!
I don't have any pretty pictures, but I could start by pointing to one of the many Faregyl attempts we made 3-4 weeks back where there's a giant stack of AD on the front flag, none on the back, and it's so laggy that siege won't even place so we can't do anything to drop oil on them even when we controlled the 2nd/3rd floors? Because AD was all in one place, not defending the rest of the building.
I know EP started dropping rams on laggy keeps when we found it was the only reliable siege engine in those situations.
At best, you can say EP contributes to it, but isn't a solo act on this stage. AD has their villains in regards to the lag issues, and to try to avoid that claim is to attempt to be disingenuous.
Hey look, I have a picture of one of those Fare attempts you guys tried a couple weeks back.
http://i.imgur.com/Aiyv96P.jpg
The flag doesn't look empty to me. See what I'm doing? It's called backing up your claims.
That being said, I'm not blaming EP or anyone else at this point. I was just responding to a post in which (to me) you were placing blame solely on AD.
Such context. So wow.
Really, posting a picture from anytime during a fight, with no history before or after to say how the situation got there is meaningless. There's a ton of EP and AD on that flag. It doesn't vindicate you, it instead backs up what I had to say.
It takes two to tango. It takes two to lag bomb. When both factions are on the flag like that, the server's going to fail.Edited by Agrippa_Invisus on December 9, 2014 7:20PMAgrippa Invisus / Indominus / Inprimis / Inviolatus
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ZOS_ShannonM✭✭✭Hey Folks,
We have moderated a few comments in this thread, because they violate our Forum Code of Conduct.
We do not allow posts that are created for the purpose of “naming-and-shaming” other community members. “Naming-and-shaming” is the act of creating a thread or comment to call out an individual or group by name, and making them the subject of public accusation, ridicule and/or shaming.
Please refrain from calling out specific guilds or players. Thank you for understanding.0 -
Leovolao✭✭✭✭✭Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »RadioheadSh0t wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »Hey Agrippa, yeah I generally agree with you it is dumb regardless who does it. The person I quoted just had so much snark in his post I wondered if the irony was lost on him (or her).
I wish people would choose to not do it. I think that's the solution. But as long as human nature prevails ("but they did it to us!") the cheesiness and cycle of angst will continue.
On a side note I dunno which guild is talking about smashing red; if it's an AD guild I appreciate the sentiment though most days when I log in I don't see that much evidence of red being smashed. :-)
I'm referring to a quote earlier in this thread. Guild name's in their signature.RadioheadSh0t wrote: »Low pops or no opposition? Go farm. It's healthier for competition. Once the population is 2 bars across the board, that's when you're going to start seeing a challenge.
Even in the middle of the night, EP still has a numbers advantage.
So, with the logic you stated above, we're perfectly free to push at all times since pops are even.
And, unlike EP, we don't need to use dirty tactics (lag-bombing) to cap.
I care less about EP capping during low pops than using shameful exploits to try and win. If you can't win without standing in the corner of a keep lagging out the game for everyone, unsub because you're obviously terrible. I'm so sick of seeing a certain EP guild use this tactic on a nightly basis.
Arrius will forever be known as 'Nymeria's Lag Palace.'
Lemme guess. You plan on back capping and pushing EP until they have one keep, Arrius, and then you're going to kvetch about the lag.
Here's a hint -- there are strats that get you what you want (your scroll, maybe even Arrius) without doing that. Try them! Yes, they involve some patience beyond 'herpaderp, push towards EP, send GK or MM to back cap (Lord knows they can't take a defended keep), then wonder why it lags'.
Yeah, you got it... Good job... HAH!
Completely sidestep my point about intentional lag-bombing... How about we hear your stance on intentional lag-bombing before you get on your soapbox about 'strats.'
Either you're going to:
A) ignore the point completely Deny (falsely) that anyone does this
Or
C) Acknowledge the fact that you have a well-known EP guild that intentionally lags out fights.
This guild doesn't just do it at Arrius. They ran into Ash in the middle of a AD/DC, ran to the tower above the front gate, and lagged out the entire fight.
That's just one example of what I see them do multiple times a night, and it's not just Arrius.
In sick and tired of seeing it, and anyone who denies what they're doing is either ignorant, in denial, or covering for them.
You want my opinion?
I think you're BSing to cover your own rear end.
When I've had to order my guild to wipe out due to the server dying while staring at the people tagged with a certain guild from AD the flags, I know who's causing it.
It lags when AD and EP are fighting because AD's there on the flags.
You're either being intentionally obtuse or ignorant.
Either way, enjoy your lag. Forcing the opposition into a smaller and smaller pen just contributes towards it. Lord only knows you won't stop, because that big meany Agrippa mentioned it.
I like how you place all blame on AD and neglect the things your own alliance do.
Ignorance truly is bliss.
http://imgur.com/1f7vaKV
I like how you pick only one of my posts, a page and a half later, and reply to it!
GOOD JERB.
And, hey look, an image!
I don't have any pretty pictures, but I could start by pointing to one of the many Faregyl attempts we made 3-4 weeks back where there's a giant stack of AD on the front flag, none on the back, and it's so laggy that siege won't even place so we can't do anything to drop oil on them even when we controlled the 2nd/3rd floors? Because AD was all in one place, not defending the rest of the building.
I know EP started dropping rams on laggy keeps when we found it was the only reliable siege engine in those situations.
At best, you can say EP contributes to it, but isn't a solo act on this stage. AD has their villains in regards to the lag issues, and to try to avoid that claim is to attempt to be disingenuous.
Hey look, I have a picture of one of those Fare attempts you guys tried a couple weeks back.
http://i.imgur.com/Aiyv96P.jpg
The flag doesn't look empty to me. See what I'm doing? It's called backing up your claims.
That being said, I'm not blaming EP or anyone else at this point. I was just responding to a post in which (to me) you were placing blame solely on AD.
Such context. So wow.
Really, posting a picture from anytime during a fight, with no history before or after to say how the situation got there is meaningless. There's a ton of EP and AD on that flag. It doesn't vindicate you, it instead backs up what I had to say.
It takes two to tango. It takes two to lag bomb. When both factions are on the flag like that, the server's going to fail.
This second picture was taken a couple minutes after EP stacked on the front door and took it down. Then, that huge ball of players went on to stack on the flag. Defenders didn't have any other choice but to stack on it too.
You keep responding to my posts assuming I'm trying to excuse myself or my alliance (Even tho it doesn't say anything like that on any of them). I am not. I'm just saying it's not solely AD's fault.
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✭xANTIxMATTERx wrote: »You spam healing springs to build ultimate. In PvE, everyone does it too. It's the most efficient way to make sure you go into a battle with your ultimate ready. If something is wrong with HS then Zeni should fix it.
The end.
Until then, let's intentionally lag the server! That's the spirit!
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✭Joy_Division wrote: »RadioheadSh0t wrote: »The lag is not 'forcing a faction into a small area,' although that does happen obviously, it's wherever IR stands in the corner of a keep spamming healing springs.
A group of under 20 is lagging the entire server, and the 50 or so AD stacking and spamming AoE aren't contributing any lag whatsoever? I understand being a tad upset from dying in a game, but to repeatedly lie about stuff is rather juvenile. Notice the excessive spell fx on the dead bodies. We must be doing that too, eh? This McCarthy-esque behavior is tiresome,i.e., there are people purposefully lagging the servers hiding under our beds!
I'll be in therapy most of the day .
Back on topic, hilarious video--10/10 would buy a beer
You are wasting your breath. I've seen the zone chat and heard TS in every faction and they are all in their sanctimonious way are convinced the others lag out the server because they can't be beat in a fair fight.
Because guilds in other factions don't blob together to avoid the aoe cap, don't spam heals to gain ultimate and keep their groups alive, and don't look like a grand finale on the 4th of July wherever they go. THEY use healing springs legitimately. YOU use healing springs to dishonestly take their scroll.
I've called out my own faction for this, and it was one reason (of several) why I got booted from a certain well know guild. You are correct.all factions do his dispicable act. Not all guilds.
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✭✭✭xANTIxMATTERx wrote: »You spam healing springs to build ultimate. In PvE, everyone does it too. It's the most efficient way to make sure you go into a battle with your ultimate ready. If something is wrong with HS then Zeni should fix it.
The end.
Until then, let's intentionally lag the server! That's the spirit!
Yup.
ZOS could make it so that healing in generaly only generated ulti when --
1. Characters were in combat
2. Characters healed weren't at full HP.
That'd cut down on the 'charging mah lazors' feel of Ulti generation.Agrippa Invisus / Indominus / Inprimis / Inviolatus
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Once a General, now a Citizen
Former Emperor of Bloodthorn and Vivec
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✭✭✭I find it really odd that waking up to a Red Map is the end of the world as we know it. It used to be the regular thing for EP, wake up and begin taking back Kings and Fara, practically every single morning. Having it happen to you one time isn't going to kill you.Vehemence -- Commander and Raid Lead -- Tri-faction PvP
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Subtomik✭✭✭✭✭I find it really odd that waking up to a Red Map is the end of the world as we know it. It used to be the regular thing for EP, wake up and begin taking back Kings and Fara, practically every single morning. Having it happen to you one time isn't going to kill you.
No, it wont. But for the DC pugs who are already constantly demoralized it might. Throw in the lag and myriad of bugs and this game is quickly going to become a 2v2.
Im usually pretty good with names but it cant be healthy for the pvp experience that I rarely see a DC I dont instantly recognize.0 -
Jaerlach✭✭✭I find it really odd that waking up to a Red Map is the end of the world as we know it. It used to be the regular thing for EP, wake up and begin taking back Kings and Fara, practically every single morning. Having it happen to you one time isn't going to kill you.
It's the DC regulars who are sick of it, they had to do it with ad and now with red chumps.
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✭Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »xANTIxMATTERx wrote: »You spam healing springs to build ultimate. In PvE, everyone does it too. It's the most efficient way to make sure you go into a battle with your ultimate ready. If something is wrong with HS then Zeni should fix it.
The end.
Until then, let's intentionally lag the server! That's the spirit!
Yup.
ZOS could make it so that healing in generaly only generated ulti when --
1. Characters were in combat
2. Characters healed weren't at full HP.
That'd cut down on the 'charging mah lazors' feel of Ulti generation.
I'm not sure whether these suggestions would work with how often you get stuck in combat, also spell symmetry can be spammed to drop your hp.Delta
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Looks like 2 sides need to recruit peeps to there side or throw some suggestions in here
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/142649/would-a-daily-map-reset-help-restore-some-pvp-morale#latest0 -
Subtomik✭✭✭✭✭DC has needed people for 6 months. People showed they would rather sit in a 200 person queue then be the underdog.1
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✭✭✭✭✭I personally like being the underdog, more people to killhttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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Aoe_Barbecue✭✭✭✭✭Aoe_Barbecue wrote: »
So...everyone has to play on YOUR schedule? Got it.
No one has to do anything. But nightcapping is poisonous to this game. It always has been. People play when they want, sure. But coming into Cyrodiil and essentially PvE'ing one's way to a PvP victory? That's not such a good plan. Dynamic population caps would have been a good idea in retrospect.1 -
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To what extent if 20-50 people end up raiding the keeps? They can't be guarded by daedric princes.Lava_Croft wrote: »Buff Keeps, buff guards.
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✭✭✭Charge your ultis from killing players like a proper warrior. Ditch your medical staves and its lag rings.
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✭✭✭Guys ... It was a joke . An I already played babble like an idiot in my PvP ethics thread . No ones gonna make any headway telling others how to play . It's up to ZOS to make changes .1 -
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Vilestride✭✭✭✭✭People really should at times think more about what is healthy for your PvP experience rather than just winning. and ZoS really need to start working on ways to balance this AvAvA because it is becoming just AvA very fast.
This demoralized people more than you might think, from my experience DC pugs quit on a day to day bases because being so outnumbered at fights is just pointless and having to defend your home keeps each night with 10-20 people vs the 50-60 EP/AD coming in is frustrating to say the least.
Dynamic POP lock..its so easy, and perhaps in addition to that, allow a once of or pay to re roll option because there will be big ques. Because atm, why even play DC, whole guilds are even quitting/going hiatus
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✭✭✭✭✭I was one of the very few DC logged in at the time and there was a player I recognised but shall remain "anonymous" leading them, but from what I heard they split and formed separate guilds. Please tell me that AD influence has not simply carried to EP players too... I'll be sad if it has :'(
EP used to be a fun faction to play before the infestation.
Now there are two batpulse monkey healing springs lagbomb factions.
I guess ill just join in on the pulse fest. I need the AP for some morag tong and shadow walker gear.1 -
Alomar✭✭✭✭✭Eh, I saw peeps night cap as AD in AB, Wabba, and Thorn. Now EP have in Thorn. I don't agree with it so I avoid defending anything earned in the nightcap and welcome the double-teaming of the faction who done it.
Video was pretty good though, I started a DC alt if things don't change I'll be rerolling.Edited by Alomar on December 11, 2014 3:36PMHaxus Council Member
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Its always going to happen due to when they are able to play and where they live(Oceanic/EU) ect Only thing that could be done is offer servers that are open from a time frame of 12 hrs on 12 hrs off in those off 12 hrs maybe Zenimax can get Maintenance done on them1
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Dekkameron✭✭✭✭✭treborrealb14_ESO wrote: »Its always going to happen due to when they are able to play and where they live(Oceanic/EU) ect Only thing that could be done is offer servers that are open from a time frame of 12 hrs on 12 hrs off in those off 12 hrs maybe Zenimax can get Maintenance done on them
And totally stiff a ton of its players because a tiny majority are whining?- Veteran Combat Librarian -1 -
gw2only1b14_ESO✭✭✭treborrealb14_ESO wrote: »Its always going to happen due to when they are able to play and where they live(Oceanic/EU) ect Only thing that could be done is offer servers that are open from a time frame of 12 hrs on 12 hrs off in those off 12 hrs maybe Zenimax can get Maintenance done on them
Hey all I stalk the forums and with the decline in population across the board pve and pvp what is the main goal for Zos and the powers above. I myself was lured to this game for the pvp.
And I mainly will solo due to lag that I have experienced from day 1 so it amazes me that lag is still here and they lowered the population during prime time and they did a few other behind the scenes things as well.
Trebors thought on server times to stop night capping could be plausible and at the same time give players 2 home servers and 1 guest or 2 guest and 1 home server. plus spread player base around on some dead servers and give Zos extra maintenance time to possible correct sooner rather then later and keep the player base we have.
Id like to see something along these lines I'm not eager to try another game but hey if its no longer fun or playable I may have to as well
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