[VIDEO] Thornblade NA Nightcappers

Draxys · December 2014

Reds are successfully killing the only decent PvP server right now. People don't want to have to take everything back. Dynamic populations are a necessity... actually, nevermind, this game's PvP is already in the gutter. ZOS, just forget about it altogether finally, you obviously don't give a crap about it anyway.

JackDaniell · December 2014

10/10 loved it

9.8/10 meta critic.
9.7/10 nasa

RadioheadSh0t · December 2014

Gaettusk wrote: »

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

The lag is not 'forcing a faction into a small area,' although that does happen obviously, it's wherever IR stands in the corner of a keep spamming healing springs.

A group of under 20 is lagging the entire server, and the 50 or so AD stacking and spamming AoE aren't contributing any lag whatsoever? I understand being a tad upset from dying in a game, but to repeatedly lie about stuff is rather juvenile. Notice the excessive spell fx on the dead bodies. We must be doing that too, eh? This McCarthy-esque behavior is tiresome,i.e., there are people purposefully lagging the servers hiding under our beds!

roechacca wrote: »

I'll be in therapy most of the day .

Back on topic, hilarious video--10/10 would buy a beer

Hilariously logically flawed response.

Posting a pick of your group getting wiped by AoE proves nothing other than how easily wipe able you are (the one person on your target is a v1...).

Comparing using intended mechanics versus intentionally lagging is false equivalency. [snip] intentionally uses mechanics to lag out the server, other groups use mechanics the way they were intended to be used.

Yes, we eventually wipe your group almost every time you do this, but it takes minutes to kill you when damage doesn't register because you're balled up intentionally lagging with HS and Bats.

If you want to play it off like you don't do this, go ahead. But it's obvious that you do. I've seen the evidence first-hand numerous times.

Just play the game legit. Don't intentionally lag out the server.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Naming & Shaming]

Dreyloch · December 2014

All i wanna know is where'd ya get that coffee mug! Oh, and yeah, EP doing this crap before server down to get extra ticks is EPIC lameness.

nukeemstudiosub17_ESO · December 2014

such a joke!

Draxys · December 2014

We saw the night cappers spamming AoE heals at glade tonight, while the breach was on the opposite side, with the map almost entirely red (really guys?). Fighting the 5 blues on the wall or lagging the keep out? We'll never know.

WhiskeyJac · December 2014

well people seems to be done with thorneblade , after fighting for 30 days last campaign , having to accept the fact that LAG determines everything is kind of sad, hopefully ZOS does something before it is too late

Columba · December 2014

Etaniel wrote: »

Didn't know Heisenberg played Eso

I am uncertain if he does.....

Dryyab · December 2014

I haven't played for about a week now... and last time I did PvP in the night the population was quite balanced...
I am EP and I do admit that these lagballs are annoying... whoever does it... intentional or not... In case you people haven't realised, most people spamming Healing Spring do it to replenish ult ASAP, not to lag the server, even if the outcome is that they are lagging the server.
Being in EP I cannot judge between a fight between AD and DC lag-wise BUT I can say for certain that NOT every battle is a lagball, in fact most of those I was in wasn't so bad and most of the laggy battles were against AD, again I don't know who is responsible for it AND I find the laggy battles to be annoying.

*edit : I forgot to say this:

My last PvP in the night was this : a rough battle against AD and a few DC to get Emp and scrolls, we pretty much succeded after HOURS of battles and when people got up they were probably mad for night crowning an Emp BUT we had barely succeded when they got up, they came back 1 hour earlier and we probably wouldn't have...

nukeemstudiosub17_ESO · December 2014

Draxys wrote: »

Reds are successfully killing the only decent PvP server right now. People don't want to have to take everything back. Dynamic populations are a necessity... actually, nevermind, this game's PvP is already in the gutter. ZOS, just forget about it altogether finally, you obviously don't give a crap about it anyway.

Ya ZOS you done lost this one. This game is pretty much FUBAR!
broken game mechanics exploited to gain an advantage.

You make one class the master race basically. Now we have whole guilds running nothing but DK's or sorcs.

I have videos of groups of EP lagging the server intentionally!
You cant tell me it not intentional when no one is even near them while they spam impulse, wall of elements, and healing springs and just march into a keep and flip it with lag. I also have videos of them doing it out in open fields while no enemies are in range.

This games days are numbered. Might as well just make it Free to play.
Thats about all the pvp is worth!

And the DEV's just dont seem to care!! Instead of fixes for the multitude of issues that destroy pvp we get new NPC facial animations. Top notch!!

And dont forget to take notice of how nice those lighting effects are while lagging through a keep battles.

You ban gold spammers and people who got a couple extra things from a duplicate exploit. Why not for exploiters in PVP? Its not like you dont have proof!

I guess we have to conclude(unless you actually answer us) You know but do not intend to take care of the problem. If you did care the last update would have helped pvp not added more crap to pve. FIX WHAT IS WRONG FIRST BEFORE ADDING USELESS CONTENT!! My god!

Ackwalan · December 2014

nukeemstudiosub17_ESO wrote: »

Draxys wrote: »

Reds are successfully killing the only decent PvP server right now. People don't want to have to take everything back. Dynamic populations are a necessity... actually, nevermind, this game's PvP is already in the gutter. ZOS, just forget about it altogether finally, you obviously don't give a crap about it anyway.

Ya ZOS you done lost this one. This game is pretty much FUBAR!
broken game mechanics exploited to gain an advantage.

You make one class the master race basically. Now we have whole guilds running nothing but DK's or sorcs.

I have videos of groups of EP lagging the server intentionally!
You cant tell me it not intentional when no one is even near them while they spam impulse, wall of elements, and healing springs and just march into a keep and flip it with lag. I also have videos of them doing it out in open fields while no enemies are in range.

This games days are numbered. Might as well just make it Free to play.
Thats about all the pvp is worth!

And the DEV's just dont seem to care!! Instead of fixes for the multitude of issues that destroy pvp we get new NPC facial animations. Top notch!!

And dont forget to take notice of how nice those lighting effects are while lagging through a keep battles.

You ban gold spammers and people who got a couple extra things from a duplicate exploit. Why not for exploiters in PVP? Its not like you dont have proof!

I guess we have to conclude(unless you actually answer us) You know but do not intend to take care of the problem. If you did care the last update would have helped pvp not added more crap to pve. FIX WHAT IS WRONG FIRST BEFORE ADDING USELESS CONTENT!! My god!

Why do people try an act like only one side does this? Do they think no one else will notice how WRONG they are, maybe they think if they keep pointing at the other guy ZOS won't notice that their side is doing the same thing. Night capping has been done by all, 2 vs 1 alliance has also seen its rotation. Heck, not a week ago one alliance tried to deliver a scroll to the enemy for some kind of truce deal. It's no fun getting kicked in the teeth when you are down, so get up and come back with a better plan.

Roselle · December 2014

So let me see if I've gotten the 411 from this -

EP can do no wrong because Agrippa is EP

AD are still a bunch of bad, spoiled bananas just because

DC are still the underdogs because many may not know it is the color shown to help you solve creative problems

Blah blah blah, but carry on.

BTW - nice hat.

Hektlk · December 2014

Put up more of a fight at night please.

xANTIxMATTERx · December 2014

You spam healing springs to build ultimate. In PvE, everyone does it too. It's the most efficient way to make sure you go into a battle with your ultimate ready. If something is wrong with HS then Zeni should fix it.

The end.

Agrippa_Invisus · December 2014

Roselle wrote: »

So let me see if I've gotten the 411 from this -

EP can do no wrong because Agrippa is EP

AD are still a bunch of bad, spoiled bananas just because

DC are still the underdogs because many may not know it is the color shown to help you solve creative problems

Blah blah blah, but carry on.

BTW - nice hat.

Fish for things much?

Roselle · December 2014

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Roselle wrote: »

So let me see if I've gotten the 411 from this -

EP can do no wrong because Agrippa is EP

AD are still a bunch of bad, spoiled bananas just because

DC are still the underdogs because many may not know it is the color shown to help you solve creative problems

Blah blah blah, but carry on.

BTW - nice hat.

Fish for things much?

...

Sharee · December 2014

I need a coffee cup like that...

Davadin · December 2014

xANTIxMATTERx wrote: »

You spam healing springs to build ultimate. In PvE, everyone does it too. It's the most efficient way to make sure you go into a battle with your ultimate ready. If something is wrong with HS then Zeni should fix it.

The end.

Problem is, in EP, you can see some zone chat of people admitting it openly and freely that they're doing this to lag the server.

"yo we just lost a keep! lets lag it so hopefully it gets reset"
"yo we're outnumbered so we gotta lag the server"

etc....

Subtomik · December 2014

Davadin wrote: »

Problem is, in EP, you can see some zone chat of people admitting it openly and freely that they're doing this to lag the server.

"yo we just lost a keep! lets lag it so hopefully it gets reset"
"yo we're outnumbered so we gotta lag the server"

etc....

Well hey, if winning by any means necessary was their goal, congrats.

You made it so frustrating to play everyone else left.

SienneYviete · December 2014

Davadin wrote: »

xANTIxMATTERx wrote: »

You spam healing springs to build ultimate. In PvE, everyone does it too. It's the most efficient way to make sure you go into a battle with your ultimate ready. If something is wrong with HS then Zeni should fix it.

The end.

Problem is, in EP, you can see some zone chat of people admitting it openly and freely that they're doing this to lag the server.

"yo we just lost a keep! lets lag it so hopefully it gets reset"
"yo we're outnumbered so we gotta lag the server"

etc....

Joy_Division · December 2014

Gaettusk wrote: »

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

The lag is not 'forcing a faction into a small area,' although that does happen obviously, it's wherever IR stands in the corner of a keep spamming healing springs.

A group of under 20 is lagging the entire server, and the 50 or so AD stacking and spamming AoE aren't contributing any lag whatsoever? I understand being a tad upset from dying in a game, but to repeatedly lie about stuff is rather juvenile. Notice the excessive spell fx on the dead bodies. We must be doing that too, eh? This McCarthy-esque behavior is tiresome,i.e., there are people purposefully lagging the servers hiding under our beds!

roechacca wrote: »

I'll be in therapy most of the day .

Back on topic, hilarious video--10/10 would buy a beer

You are wasting your breath. I've seen the zone chat and heard TS in every faction and they are all in their sanctimonious way are convinced the others lag out the server because they can't be beat in a fair fight.

Because guilds in other factions don't blob together to avoid the aoe cap, don't spam heals to gain ultimate and keep their groups alive, and don't look like a grand finale on the 4th of July wherever they go. THEY use healing springs legitimately. YOU use healing springs to dishonestly take their scroll.

Dekkameron · December 2014

You call them night cappers, i call them EU players

Leovolao · December 2014

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

Hey Agrippa, yeah I generally agree with you it is dumb regardless who does it. The person I quoted just had so much snark in his post I wondered if the irony was lost on him (or her).

I wish people would choose to not do it. I think that's the solution. But as long as human nature prevails ("but they did it to us!") the cheesiness and cycle of angst will continue.

On a side note I dunno which guild is talking about smashing red; if it's an AD guild I appreciate the sentiment though most days when I log in I don't see that much evidence of red being smashed. :-)

I'm referring to a quote earlier in this thread. Guild name's in their signature.

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

Low pops or no opposition? Go farm. It's healthier for competition. Once the population is 2 bars across the board, that's when you're going to start seeing a challenge.

Even in the middle of the night, EP still has a numbers advantage.

So, with the logic you stated above, we're perfectly free to push at all times since pops are even.

And, unlike EP, we don't need to use dirty tactics (lag-bombing) to cap.

I care less about EP capping during low pops than using shameful exploits to try and win. If you can't win without standing in the corner of a keep lagging out the game for everyone, unsub because you're obviously terrible. I'm so sick of seeing a certain EP guild use this tactic on a nightly basis.

Arrius will forever be known as 'Nymeria's Lag Palace.'

Lemme guess. You plan on back capping and pushing EP until they have one keep, Arrius, and then you're going to kvetch about the lag.

Here's a hint -- there are strats that get you what you want (your scroll, maybe even Arrius) without doing that. Try them! Yes, they involve some patience beyond 'herpaderp, push towards EP, send GK or MM to back cap (Lord knows they can't take a defended keep), then wonder why it lags'.

Yeah, you got it... Good job... HAH!

Completely sidestep my point about intentional lag-bombing... How about we hear your stance on intentional lag-bombing before you get on your soapbox about 'strats.'

Either you're going to:

A) ignore the point completely
Deny (falsely) that anyone does this
Or
C) Acknowledge the fact that you have a well-known EP guild that intentionally lags out fights.

This guild doesn't just do it at Arrius. They ran into Ash in the middle of a AD/DC, ran to the tower above the front gate, and lagged out the entire fight.

That's just one example of what I see them do multiple times a night, and it's not just Arrius.

In sick and tired of seeing it, and anyone who denies what they're doing is either ignorant, in denial, or covering for them.

You want my opinion?

I think you're BSing to cover your own rear end.

When I've had to order my guild to wipe out due to the server dying while staring at the people tagged with a certain guild from AD the flags, I know who's causing it.

It lags when AD and EP are fighting because AD's there on the flags.

You're either being intentionally obtuse or ignorant.

Either way, enjoy your lag. Forcing the opposition into a smaller and smaller pen just contributes towards it. Lord only knows you won't stop, because that big meany Agrippa mentioned it.

I like how you place all blame on AD and neglect the things your own alliance do.
Ignorance truly is bliss.

http://imgur.com/1f7vaKV

Minnesinger · December 2014

Dekkameron wrote: »

You call them night cappers, i call them EU players

You sure?

Agrippa_Invisus · December 2014

Leovolao wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

Hey Agrippa, yeah I generally agree with you it is dumb regardless who does it. The person I quoted just had so much snark in his post I wondered if the irony was lost on him (or her).

I wish people would choose to not do it. I think that's the solution. But as long as human nature prevails ("but they did it to us!") the cheesiness and cycle of angst will continue.

On a side note I dunno which guild is talking about smashing red; if it's an AD guild I appreciate the sentiment though most days when I log in I don't see that much evidence of red being smashed. :-)

I'm referring to a quote earlier in this thread. Guild name's in their signature.

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

Low pops or no opposition? Go farm. It's healthier for competition. Once the population is 2 bars across the board, that's when you're going to start seeing a challenge.

Even in the middle of the night, EP still has a numbers advantage.

So, with the logic you stated above, we're perfectly free to push at all times since pops are even.

And, unlike EP, we don't need to use dirty tactics (lag-bombing) to cap.

I care less about EP capping during low pops than using shameful exploits to try and win. If you can't win without standing in the corner of a keep lagging out the game for everyone, unsub because you're obviously terrible. I'm so sick of seeing a certain EP guild use this tactic on a nightly basis.

Arrius will forever be known as 'Nymeria's Lag Palace.'

Lemme guess. You plan on back capping and pushing EP until they have one keep, Arrius, and then you're going to kvetch about the lag.

Here's a hint -- there are strats that get you what you want (your scroll, maybe even Arrius) without doing that. Try them! Yes, they involve some patience beyond 'herpaderp, push towards EP, send GK or MM to back cap (Lord knows they can't take a defended keep), then wonder why it lags'.

Yeah, you got it... Good job... HAH!

Completely sidestep my point about intentional lag-bombing... How about we hear your stance on intentional lag-bombing before you get on your soapbox about 'strats.'

Either you're going to:

A) ignore the point completely
Deny (falsely) that anyone does this
Or
C) Acknowledge the fact that you have a well-known EP guild that intentionally lags out fights.

This guild doesn't just do it at Arrius. They ran into Ash in the middle of a AD/DC, ran to the tower above the front gate, and lagged out the entire fight.

That's just one example of what I see them do multiple times a night, and it's not just Arrius.

In sick and tired of seeing it, and anyone who denies what they're doing is either ignorant, in denial, or covering for them.

You want my opinion?

I think you're BSing to cover your own rear end.

When I've had to order my guild to wipe out due to the server dying while staring at the people tagged with a certain guild from AD the flags, I know who's causing it.

It lags when AD and EP are fighting because AD's there on the flags.

You're either being intentionally obtuse or ignorant.

Either way, enjoy your lag. Forcing the opposition into a smaller and smaller pen just contributes towards it. Lord only knows you won't stop, because that big meany Agrippa mentioned it.

I like how you place all blame on AD and neglect the things your own alliance do.
Ignorance truly is bliss.

http://imgur.com/1f7vaKV

I like how you pick only one of my posts, a page and a half later, and reply to it!

GOOD JERB.

And, hey look, an image!

I don't have any pretty pictures, but I could start by pointing to one of the many Faregyl attempts we made 3-4 weeks back where there's a giant stack of AD on the front flag, none on the back, and it's so laggy that siege won't even place so we can't do anything to drop oil on them even when we controlled the 2nd/3rd floors? Because AD was all in one place, not defending the rest of the building.

I know EP started dropping rams on laggy keeps when we found it was the only reliable siege engine in those situations.

At best, you can say EP contributes to it, but isn't a solo act on this stage. AD has their villains in regards to the lag issues, and to try to avoid that claim is to attempt to be disingenuous.

Dekkameron · December 2014

Minnesinger wrote: »

Dekkameron wrote: »

You call them night cappers, i call them EU players

You sure?

Indeed there are many Australian players on NA servers as well.
But my point was that peeps (like in the video) arnt nightcappers at all as they're playing during the day (in there own timezone)

The way they are mentioned sounds like it is some kind of conspiracy of 200 peeps that live under a bridge until everyone logs off then leap out and capture everything.

Subtomik · December 2014

Dekkameron wrote: »

Indeed there are many Australian players on NA servers as well.
But my point was that peeps (like in the video) arnt nightcappers at all as they're playing during the day (in there own timezone)

The way they are mentioned sounds like it is some kind of conspiracy of 200 peeps that live under a bridge until everyone logs off then leap out and capture everything.

Many times, it is NA players who stay up and wait until the competition logs lol.

Minnesinger · December 2014

Dekkameron wrote: »

You call them night cappers, i call them EU players

Well how I see this situation is that they are called nightcappers because of the majority of players being off-line while the map is capped. There is no need for conspiracy theories. What is happening remains the sole fact.

What is the core problem is that 1-2 alliances are underpopulated while 1 has the major advantage due to that.

Just to refresh your memory this is the real issue:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/137241/please-fix-population-disparity-already

What is the consequence of this that an underpopulated alliance can never win. They leave the game out of frustration or pve.

Some months ago the population numbers were healthy enough to have some players around 24 hrs. Now there isn´t same numbers.

reften · December 2014

zero fun, but really, what can you do? Play all night trying to keep Alessia and Roe, great fights, red barely takes their scroll back, good fight. Log off, log back on the next day, oh, what a waste of time.

Destroys the scoring, destroys the feeling of any accomplishment for all the prime time players.

I guess it is what it is. Is a person vs. person game, and their side has more night cappers than the other two sides.

At the end of the day, it's PvP playground, with the Alliance war being nightcappers vs. nightcappers.

How about make a regional server that is only open for 8 hrs a day? I'm loosing interest in PvP, and PvP is a main reason why I play.

Play or leave I guess.

Funny vid btw, props.

Leovolao · December 2014

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Leovolao wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

Hey Agrippa, yeah I generally agree with you it is dumb regardless who does it. The person I quoted just had so much snark in his post I wondered if the irony was lost on him (or her).

I wish people would choose to not do it. I think that's the solution. But as long as human nature prevails ("but they did it to us!") the cheesiness and cycle of angst will continue.

On a side note I dunno which guild is talking about smashing red; if it's an AD guild I appreciate the sentiment though most days when I log in I don't see that much evidence of red being smashed. :-)

I'm referring to a quote earlier in this thread. Guild name's in their signature.

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

Low pops or no opposition? Go farm. It's healthier for competition. Once the population is 2 bars across the board, that's when you're going to start seeing a challenge.

Even in the middle of the night, EP still has a numbers advantage.

So, with the logic you stated above, we're perfectly free to push at all times since pops are even.

And, unlike EP, we don't need to use dirty tactics (lag-bombing) to cap.

I care less about EP capping during low pops than using shameful exploits to try and win. If you can't win without standing in the corner of a keep lagging out the game for everyone, unsub because you're obviously terrible. I'm so sick of seeing a certain EP guild use this tactic on a nightly basis.

Arrius will forever be known as 'Nymeria's Lag Palace.'

Lemme guess. You plan on back capping and pushing EP until they have one keep, Arrius, and then you're going to kvetch about the lag.

Here's a hint -- there are strats that get you what you want (your scroll, maybe even Arrius) without doing that. Try them! Yes, they involve some patience beyond 'herpaderp, push towards EP, send GK or MM to back cap (Lord knows they can't take a defended keep), then wonder why it lags'.

Yeah, you got it... Good job... HAH!

Completely sidestep my point about intentional lag-bombing... How about we hear your stance on intentional lag-bombing before you get on your soapbox about 'strats.'

Either you're going to:

A) ignore the point completely
Deny (falsely) that anyone does this
Or
C) Acknowledge the fact that you have a well-known EP guild that intentionally lags out fights.

This guild doesn't just do it at Arrius. They ran into Ash in the middle of a AD/DC, ran to the tower above the front gate, and lagged out the entire fight.

That's just one example of what I see them do multiple times a night, and it's not just Arrius.

In sick and tired of seeing it, and anyone who denies what they're doing is either ignorant, in denial, or covering for them.

You want my opinion?

I think you're BSing to cover your own rear end.

When I've had to order my guild to wipe out due to the server dying while staring at the people tagged with a certain guild from AD the flags, I know who's causing it.

It lags when AD and EP are fighting because AD's there on the flags.

You're either being intentionally obtuse or ignorant.

Either way, enjoy your lag. Forcing the opposition into a smaller and smaller pen just contributes towards it. Lord only knows you won't stop, because that big meany Agrippa mentioned it.

I like how you place all blame on AD and neglect the things your own alliance do.
Ignorance truly is bliss.

http://imgur.com/1f7vaKV

I like how you pick only one of my posts, a page and a half later, and reply to it!

GOOD JERB.

And, hey look, an image!

I don't have any pretty pictures, but I could start by pointing to one of the many Faregyl attempts we made 3-4 weeks back where there's a giant stack of AD on the front flag, none on the back, and it's so laggy that siege won't even place so we can't do anything to drop oil on them even when we controlled the 2nd/3rd floors? Because AD was all in one place, not defending the rest of the building.

I know EP started dropping rams on laggy keeps when we found it was the only reliable siege engine in those situations.

At best, you can say EP contributes to it, but isn't a solo act on this stage. AD has their villains in regards to the lag issues, and to try to avoid that claim is to attempt to be disingenuous.

Hey look, I have a picture of one of those Fare attempts you guys tried a couple weeks back.

http://i.imgur.com/Aiyv96P.jpg

The flag doesn't look empty to me. See what I'm doing? It's called backing up your claims.

That being said, I'm not blaming EP or anyone else at this point. I was just responding to a post in which (to me) you were placing blame solely on AD.