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Argonian and Khajiit Skeletons

ThatHappyCat
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Seriously, why are all skeletons human/elven? Can we have some love for the beast races as well? Turning into a human skeleton as an Argonian just feels really weird.
  • Zed
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    Doesn't the skeleton gem also change your sex?
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  • Zhoyzu
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    they already have the models for khajiit too idk why they didnt just do it. really lazy on the part of ZOS
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  • DovresMalven
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    theres one quest that refers to a humanoid skellie being an argonian. :0
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  • phreatophile
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    Just did a quest in Cold Harbor. Pretty lame when an Argonian shows up with a half a dozen human skeletons in tow and introduces them as her ancestors.
  • Esha76
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    I noticed it as well during all my leveling. It would be a nice touch if they could adjust this. Just add it to the list...
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    It does seem a little lazy for sure.
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  • ThatHappyCat
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    theres one quest that refers to a humanoid skellie being an argonian. :0
    Just did a quest in Cold Harbor. Pretty lame when an Argonian shows up with a half a dozen human skeletons in tow and introduces them as her ancestors.

    Yeah, that was really jarring.

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    Dekkameron wrote: »
    It does seem a little lazy for sure.
    Yes, changing the head and add a tail would be all needed.

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  • Magdalina
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    Oh hell yes. If they couldn't be bothered making non-human skeletons, they should've avoided any scenes where you get to see non-human skeletons. Just alter the story so they're all human, problems solved. Because all those argonian and khajiit human skeles... -.- That's just sloppy.
    Edited by Magdalina on December 9, 2014 1:12PM
  • Zorrashi
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    I know I barely come upon these instances, but when I do they always irk me. I mean, the human skeletons posing as argonian corpses doesn't even seem feasible in any sense of he word.

    It's not like they told us they were elf skeletons that are actually human skeletons, those actually make partial sense with their anatomy (if you take out the angular factor).

    But with 'argonian' skeletons you can obviously make out anatomy inconsistencies, like how there is no way the human skull can support the living jaws of an argonian which are more extended and presumably more supported. No elongated tailbone is suspicious (unless their tail is completely made out of cartilage and/or muscle).

    It just....doesn't make sense. At least make their skulls look more like a crocodile or something.
  • Gidorick
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    I wonder how much actual effort it would take to remedy this. Only using human skeletons really shows a blatant disregard for the integrity of the story.
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  • SteveCampsOut
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    They were really hoping you'd never notice this! Move along, these are not the Skellie's your looking for... Dev using the Force....
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  • AlexDougherty
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    Seriously, why are all skeletons human/elven? Can we have some love for the beast races as well? Turning into a human skeleton as an Argonian just feels really weird.

    I find the fact female Argonians have breasts weirder than the skeleton, seriously they don't produce milk, so why the Breasts?
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  • diabeticDemon18
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    Seriously, why are all skeletons human/elven? Can we have some love for the beast races as well? Turning into a human skeleton as an Argonian just feels really weird.

    I find the fact female Argonians have breasts weirder than the skeleton, seriously they don't produce milk, so why the Breasts?

    Obviously because Breasts are nice to look at... duh bro
  • dodgehopper_ESO
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    Seriously, why are all skeletons human/elven? Can we have some love for the beast races as well? Turning into a human skeleton as an Argonian just feels really weird.

    I find the fact female Argonians have breasts weirder than the skeleton, seriously they don't produce milk, so why the Breasts?

    I have to agree with you on this one @AlexDougherty. Even so, its fair to say I've had the same thought about argonian/khajiit skeletons. It doesn't ruin the game for me, many games have suspension of disbelief issues (as do movies), but I definitely don't think its as bad here as other places. I also recognize that the time it took to make proper cat skeletons and argonian skeletons may have just been more trouble than it was worth. Bear in mind that the animation-skeletons are not actual skeletons. All this being said, one does have to wonder how hard it would be for someone in the art department to slap a tail and trade skulls. This might solve a little, but frankly, it still wouldn't be right because Khajiit and Argonians both move a little differently as well.

    I guess what I'm saying is, I'd rather see them make the Spellcrafting system, than worry about skeletons. I love the idea of them adding this throughout the game, but its not a make or break for me.
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  • dodgehopper_ESO
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    Seriously, why are all skeletons human/elven? Can we have some love for the beast races as well? Turning into a human skeleton as an Argonian just feels really weird.

    I find the fact female Argonians have breasts weirder than the skeleton, seriously they don't produce milk, so why the Breasts?

    Obviously because Breasts are nice to look at... duh bro

    Not on lizards or cats...
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  • Zorrashi
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    Seriously, why are all skeletons human/elven? Can we have some love for the beast races as well? Turning into a human skeleton as an Argonian just feels really weird.

    I find the fact female Argonians have breasts weirder than the skeleton, seriously they don't produce milk, so why the Breasts?

    Obviously because Breasts are nice to look at... duh bro

    Not on lizards or cats...

    Have you been in the internet, mate? Because the internet begs to differ.
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    I suppose its possible that even though Argonians lay eggs, they still nurse the young that hatch from them.

    The skeleton problem thought is a bit harder to justify, they really need to fix that quickly. That quest where the undead Argonian pirate tries to help you while appearing in the form of a human skeleton is a bit hard to overlook. Especially when the living female Argonian pirate in the room with you calls the skeleton an Argonian despite it clearly being human bones. I just thought the dude was a human pirate skeleton until the female spoke up, then I was erked.
    Edited by NetViperX on December 10, 2014 3:42AM
  • zaria
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    NetViperX wrote: »
    I suppose its possible that even though Argonians lay eggs, they still nurse the young that hatch from them.

    The skeleton problem thought is a bit harder to justify, they really need to fix that quickly. That quest where the undead Argonian pirate tries to help you while appearing in the form of a human skeleton is a bit hard to overlook. Especially when the living female Argonian pirate in the room with you calls the skeleton an Argonian despite it clearly being human bones. I just thought the dude was a human pirate skeleton until the female spoke up, then I was erked.
    An quest in Shadowfern involves Argonian eggs, interesting the eggs are just stored in a location like reptile eggs not brood like bird ones.
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  • AleriSadasIndoril
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    Hi all,
    I see no real contradiction because since there are still the platypus (Ornithorhynchus anatinus) also known as the duck-billed platypus a semiaquatic egg-laying mammal.
    It would be quite possible that the Argonian are able to breast-feeding.

    But the skeletons of Argonians and Kajjit should have differences, reptile/cat skulls and lion-/reptile-tails, that would be nice.
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  • AlexDougherty
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    Hi all,
    I see no real contradiction because since there are still the platypus (Ornithorhynchus anatinus) also known as the duck-billed platypus a semiaquatic egg-laying mammal.
    It would be quite possible that the Argonian are able to breast-feeding.

    But the skeletons of Argonians and Kajjit should have differences, reptile/cat skulls and lion-/reptile-tails, that would be nice.

    Both the Platypus and the Echidna (the other egg laying mammal) lack breasts in the convenventional sense, instead they have areas that sweat milk (no *** for young to suckle on).

    Also there are no reptiles (outside of pre mammaline ancestors) that produce milk, there are several snake and lizards that feed their young and birds are known to regurgitate for their young. But no milk.

    Not sure what differences people expect for Khajiit, cat based skeletons wouldn't be able to walk, and cat skulls are designed with the spine in a different place. If you modify these factors you get a result not that different from what we have already.

    Argonian Skeletons could have reptilian joints, but since this means REALLY wide hips and shoulders, and make legs and arms look disjointed, I can live without them. (I once saw a documentary on Dinosaurs which focused on their legs, and reptiles have silimar locomotion, so wouldn't work).
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  • ThatHappyCat
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    It does not have to be anatomically correct (this is a game, not a zoology simulator), it just has to be believable. Plus this is Mundus, a universe where geocentricism is real, planets are the corpses of gods and the sun is gigantic hole through reality. My suspension of disbelief isn't going to be shattered because an Argonian's pelvis is 5% less wide than it "should be".
    Edited by ThatHappyCat on December 10, 2014 1:41PM
  • SantieClaws
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    As well as Argo and Khajiit remains I'd like to see the odd wolf or rabbit skeleton.

    Also I really want Khajiit zombies. All the zombies are too human looking too.
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  • Gidorick
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    As well as Argo and Khajiit remains I'd like to see the odd wolf or rabbit skeleton.

    Also I really want Khajiit zombies. All the zombies are too human looking too.

    Hey! Yea. .. why no beast Zombies?

    So.... We would like Khajiit and Argonian versions of:
    -Skeletons
    -Zombies

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  • ThatHappyCat
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    Khajiit and Argonian zombies do exist. I think you don't see them much because there aren't zombie-related quests in Reaper's March or Shadowfen, but they do turn up at Dark Anchors.
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    Well I'll be damned, seems others noticed this too!

    This has always bothered me (and why I don't use my skele gem) but didn't have the balls to complain about it on the forum!

    Yes please fix this silly laziness.
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    skeletal visage would be epic for argonian and khajiit also letting us wear armor on top of said skeleton body
  • Gidorick
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    Khajiit and Argonian zombies do exist. I think you don't see them much because there aren't zombie-related quests in Reaper's March or Shadowfen, but they do turn up at Dark Anchors.

    Really? I'm going to have to keep an eye out for those!
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  • dodgehopper_ESO
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    I'm not entirely sure Argonians are reptiles. They are only loosely so. They have breasts, they breath underwater, and their mating system/creators involves hist sap and hist trees. They're not exactly reptiles, but something more alien I would say. If anything they are a mix of reptile and either fish or amphibian, with a little tree and bird (feathers) thrown in for good measure. They're a fantasy race so this isn't really a problem, though I do think breasts on a lizard does look a little oddball, it won't wreck my day.
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  • ThatHappyCat
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    I'd rather Argonians and Khajiit don't have breasts (I like GW2's design philosophy for Charr: six breasts or none) and have digitigrade feet, but whatever.
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