Isbilen wrote: »

Wrong, the only blood used to paint the map was spilt from NPC guards. Your enemies were not online, because they had to wake up and go to work in the morning.

NPCs are still enemies but you tried.

k2blader wrote: »

Kraven wrote: »

And have seen AD do the exact same thing. Repeatedly. Then again AD has always only been able to do anything with a numbers advantage. Guess the big issue this time is it wasn't AD's oceanic crew who capped the map over night? Poor, poor AD. Lose the only advantage you did have?

If you are EP you are the faction with the numbers advantage. You also have the "advantage" of the now EP (former AD?) night cappers. So you should actually be mad at those now EP people for, I dunno, not faction switching to EP sooner? Because the AD you're mad about aren't even AD anymore. :-P

The aforementioned formerly AD (now EP) guild are not the only guild from AD that's religiously night capped.

The guild that still perpetuates it is now the one's crowing about 'smashing red'.

Heh.

And when another guild was still around with DC (who now has multiple members in their top guild), they were notorious day cappers. Often starting on pushing the map on Dawnbreaker, Chillrend, and later Thornblade at 7-8 am in the morning.

In short, everyone's done it. It's stupid, and the people who choose to do it do it with the knowledge that the double team is a-coming and are hoping the math works in their favor.

It's dumb any way or reason you do it for.

Low pops or no opposition? Go farm. It's healthier for competition. Once the population is 2 bars across the board, that's when you're going to start seeing a challenge.

berit wrote: »

point ticks should not occur during maintenance hours, hope ZOS will make the change

Agreed!!! ZOS read this...... and read it again... then slap yourselves for EVER accepting this. What in your right minds would make you think that gaining points when no one can play is a good idea? Is this code written in crayon? FFS

k2blader wrote: »

Hey Agrippa, yeah I generally agree with you it is dumb regardless who does it. The person I quoted just had so much snark in his post I wondered if the irony was lost on him (or her).

I wish people would choose to not do it. I think that's the solution. But as long as human nature prevails ("but they did it to us!") the cheesiness and cycle of angst will continue.

On a side note I dunno which guild is talking about smashing red; if it's an AD guild I appreciate the sentiment though most days when I log in I don't see that much evidence of red being smashed. :-)

I'm referring to a quote earlier in this thread. Guild name's in their signature.

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

Low pops or no opposition? Go farm. It's healthier for competition. Once the population is 2 bars across the board, that's when you're going to start seeing a challenge.

Even in the middle of the night, EP still has a numbers advantage.

So, with the logic you stated above, we're perfectly free to push at all times since pops are even.

And, unlike EP, we don't need to use dirty tactics (lag-bombing) to cap.

I care less about EP capping during low pops than using shameful exploits to try and win. If you can't win without standing in the corner of a keep lagging out the game for everyone, unsub because you're obviously terrible. I'm so sick of seeing a certain EP guild use this tactic on a nightly basis.

Arrius will forever be known as 'Nymeria's Lag Palace.'

Lemme guess. You plan on back capping and pushing EP until they have one keep, Arrius, and then you're going to kvetch about the lag.

Here's a hint -- there are strats that get you what you want (your scroll, maybe even Arrius) without doing that. Try them! Yes, they involve some patience beyond 'herpaderp, push towards EP, send GK or MM to back cap (Lord knows they can't take a defended keep), then wonder why it lags'.

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

Hey Agrippa, yeah I generally agree with you it is dumb regardless who does it. The person I quoted just had so much snark in his post I wondered if the irony was lost on him (or her).

I wish people would choose to not do it. I think that's the solution. But as long as human nature prevails ("but they did it to us!") the cheesiness and cycle of angst will continue.

On a side note I dunno which guild is talking about smashing red; if it's an AD guild I appreciate the sentiment though most days when I log in I don't see that much evidence of red being smashed. :-)

I'm referring to a quote earlier in this thread. Guild name's in their signature.

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

Low pops or no opposition? Go farm. It's healthier for competition. Once the population is 2 bars across the board, that's when you're going to start seeing a challenge.

Even in the middle of the night, EP still has a numbers advantage.

So, with the logic you stated above, we're perfectly free to push at all times since pops are even.

And, unlike EP, we don't need to use dirty tactics (lag-bombing) to cap.

I care less about EP capping during low pops than using shameful exploits to try and win. If you can't win without standing in the corner of a keep lagging out the game for everyone, unsub because you're obviously terrible. I'm so sick of seeing a certain EP guild use this tactic on a nightly basis.

Arrius will forever be known as 'Nymeria's Lag Palace.'

Lemme guess. You plan on back capping and pushing EP until they have one keep, Arrius, and then you're going to kvetch about the lag.

Here's a hint -- there are strats that get you what you want (your scroll, maybe even Arrius) without doing that. Try them! Yes, they involve some patience beyond 'herpaderp, push towards EP, send GK or MM to back cap (Lord knows they can't take a defended keep), then wonder why it lags'.

Yeah, you got it... Good job... HAH!

Completely sidestep my point about intentional lag-bombing... How about we hear your stance on intentional lag-bombing before you get on your soapbox about 'strats.'

Either you're going to:

A) ignore the point completely
Deny (falsely) that anyone does this
Or
C) Acknowledge the fact that you have a well-known EP guild that intentionally lags out fights.

This guild doesn't just do it at Arrius. They ran into Ash in the middle of a AD/DC, ran to the tower above the front gate, and lagged out the entire fight.

That's just one example of what I see them do multiple times a night, and it's not just Arrius.

In sick and tired of seeing it, and anyone who denies what they're doing is either ignorant, in denial, or covering for them.

Gooey wrote: »

sirston wrote: »

AnteCoyote wrote: »

We had 2 bars when they capped our scrolls. They were pop-locked. We beat their first few pushes at the first scroll, so they all stay outside in a huge ball, spamming AOE and not moving at all until the server was ridiculously laggy, then proceeded inside to pick up the scroll while nobody could do anything about it. That's the kind of tactics these guys use. I've seen them do the same thing in keeps, stacking right on the flag pole and spamming AOE. They aren't doing this because of the lag. They are doing this to cause lag. Why do I say this? It's because they stack and AOE in useless areas before the lag even starts. If this issue isn't fixed, they are just going to keep taking advantage of it.

Alright Few things to clear this mess up.
1. We had 3-bars you guys had one,twoish-bars when we pushed for your scrolls. Also you guys didn't put up much of a challenge after taking your first scroll I sat there waiting for some dc to stall but only found 3 people running out of your gate.
2. The reason we stack up on most keep; and Im talking in general, (every alliance does this) its so we can cast purge and rapid maneuver to ignore ultimate's and oil. If you where in a guild you would know this
3. Our nightcap was justified by the fact of almost three days of just double teaming, scroll trolling, and over all just getting fed up with lag.
4. Was it cool doing this to DC and AD? No you guys are underdogs, but you knew playing with fire can get you burnt badly.

PS. AD had done same thing in the past.
PSS Ebonheart Pact rage is dangerous
PSSS. We drank all the ale in Brindle.

I have no words to say to you...

I do... the guys doing it are the same guys that did it for AD. It's not that EP have TURNED bad, they are being given a bad name by the same group that royally screwed AD for months and mad them the most hated faction.

There's no BS, I've seen it happen a half dozen times in one night, and it's clear what they're doing.

The lag is not 'forcing a faction into a small area,' although that does happen obviously, it's wherever [snip] stands in the corner of a keep spamming healing springs.

Maybe it's because Hijinx fights the right way that you miss it, but I see it constantly. It's always the same group, it's always the same tactic, and it always lags the game unplayable.

I was hoping you'd be objective, acknowledge this is happening, and condemn it. Lord knows if you had to deal with an AD guild hiding in the corner of a keep spamming HS, you'd be just as angry. I have seen it too many times for someone to tell me it isn't happening. I know the player names, I know the guild, and I've seen it done too many times to be coincidental.

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RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

There's no BS, I've seen it happen a half dozen times in one night, and it's clear what they're doing.

The lag is not 'forcing a faction into a small area,' although that does happen obviously, it's wherever [snip] stands in the corner of a keep spamming healing springs.

Maybe it's because Hijinx fights the right way that you miss it, but I see it constantly. It's always the same group, it's always the same tactic, and it always lags the game unplayable.

I was hoping you'd be objective, acknowledge this is happening, and condemn it. Lord knows if you had to deal with an AD guild hiding in the corner of a keep spamming HS, you'd be just as angry. I have seen it to many times for someone to tell me it isn't happening. I know the player names, I know the guild, and I've seen it done too many times to be coincidental.

If (and that's a huge if) they are a doing it, then yes, it's BS and they should be banned.

Immediately.

Video tape tap it. Report it. Email ZOS with it.

Name and shame kills any ability for you to actively prosecute it on the forums.

Though, and this is the kicker, there should never be an ability by players to lag a game and its servers if they coded this pile of junk correctly and built the data center competently. That's a HUGE failure on ZOS's part.

But here's a straight forward truth -- I have never seen an EP guild intentionally lag a server myself. I've gotten stuck in lag stacks. I've underestimated an enemy force's size, dove the flag they were defending, and been 'well crap' when the server lag starts.

I rarely will bang my head on that same wall in the same way. I'll try crow's circles. I'll try strafing runs. I'll try just sieging the damn thing if it works.

Hell, I've walked out of lag stacks and just left the keep/resource when the flag changes color instead of some vain attempt to flip it back for 10+ minutes.

But when it's a keep like Arrius (or Fare or Glade) then no one's going to give it up or leave. That's all the marbles you're playing for. Sure, some folks will stay away from the lagbomb, but when you get the majority of any one faction on that flag -- the server's done.

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Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

JaJaLuka wrote: »

Gooey wrote: »

sirston wrote: »

AnteCoyote wrote: »

We had 2 bars when they capped our scrolls. They were pop-locked. We beat their first few pushes at the first scroll, so they all stay outside in a huge ball, spamming AOE and not moving at all until the server was ridiculously laggy, then proceeded inside to pick up the scroll while nobody could do anything about it. That's the kind of tactics these guys use. I've seen them do the same thing in keeps, stacking right on the flag pole and spamming AOE. They aren't doing this because of the lag. They are doing this to cause lag. Why do I say this? It's because they stack and AOE in useless areas before the lag even starts. If this issue isn't fixed, they are just going to keep taking advantage of it.

Alright Few things to clear this mess up.
1. We had 3-bars you guys had one,twoish-bars when we pushed for your scrolls. Also you guys didn't put up much of a challenge after taking your first scroll I sat there waiting for some dc to stall but only found 3 people running out of your gate.
2. The reason we stack up on most keep; and Im talking in general, (every alliance does this) its so we can cast purge and rapid maneuver to ignore ultimate's and oil. If you where in a guild you would know this
3. Our nightcap was justified by the fact of almost three days of just double teaming, scroll trolling, and over all just getting fed up with lag.
4. Was it cool doing this to DC and AD? No you guys are underdogs, but you knew playing with fire can get you burnt badly.

PS. AD had done same thing in the past.
PSS Ebonheart Pact rage is dangerous
PSSS. We drank all the ale in Brindle.

I have no words to say to you...

I do... the guys doing it are the same guys that did it for AD. It's not that EP have TURNED bad, they are being given a bad name by the same group that royally screwed AD for months and mad them the most hated faction.

You do realize the guild you're referring to is AD again? Started before the last cycle even ended.

Unfortunately, in your absence there has developed an EP group that is doing this - I see it in EP vs DC fights with no AD present, and we've seen it with the same people a lot of times. Many of these characters were not previously active during the last cycle.

All alliances have taken to waiting until their opponents have logged off before attacking. not just EP. AD did it a crap ton on hopesfire, and DC did on skull crusher and im sure chillrend

OMG this video is awesome, lmao... ty for posting... i'm still laughing lol

sirston wrote: »

AnteCoyote wrote: »

We had 2 bars when they capped our scrolls. They were pop-locked. We beat their first few pushes at the first scroll, so they all stay outside in a huge ball, spamming AOE and not moving at all until the server was ridiculously laggy, then proceeded inside to pick up the scroll while nobody could do anything about it. That's the kind of tactics these guys use. I've seen them do the same thing in keeps, stacking right on the flag pole and spamming AOE. They aren't doing this because of the lag. They are doing this to cause lag. Why do I say this? It's because they stack and AOE in useless areas before the lag even starts. If this issue isn't fixed, they are just going to keep taking advantage of it.

Alright Few things to clear this mess up.
1. We had 3-bars you guys had one,twoish-bars when we pushed for your scrolls. Also you guys didn't put up much of a challenge after taking your first scroll I sat there waiting for some dc to stall but only found 3 people running out of your gate.
2. The reason we stack up on most keep; and Im talking in general, (every alliance does this) its so we can cast purge and rapid maneuver to ignore ultimate's and oil. If you where in a guild you would know this
3. Our nightcap was justified by the fact of almost three days of just double teaming, scroll trolling, and over all just getting fed up with lag.
4. Was it cool doing this to DC and AD? No you guys are underdogs, but you knew playing with fire can get you burnt badly.

PS. AD had done same thing in the past.
PSS Ebonheart Pact rage is dangerous
PSSS. We drank all the ale in Brindle.

It's ps as in post script.

Therefore pps, ppps, etc. as in post post script, and so on.

P.S. Stop capping before maintenance ticks.

EP certainly had the numbers to push all the keeps before maintenance. Can't fault them for that. I just wonder where all the AD went. Seriously. Where'd the rest of you go?

Subtomik wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

All alliances have taken to waiting until their opponents have logged off before attacking. not just EP. AD did it a crap ton on hopesfire, and DC did on skull crusher and im sure chillrend

Chillrend became a buff campaign because the competition left, not because of night capping lol.

Wasnt on skull crusher so cant speak for that one.

how about you make an EP or AD alt, get a raid together, get some keeps, and toon in at around 4AM....