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Do quest markers ruin great MMORPG's like ESO?

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I remember the good old days when you had to pour over the NPC's conversations in order to make sure you got the clues to find the objectives to complete quests or information needed to lead to other quests.

In ESO my entire questing/levelling experience is staring at Quest arrows and blue circles on the map and just spamming "E" at every NPC. Even RATS have huge arrows over their heads its silly.

There are a very few quests that kinda lead you to an area then you gotta search around, at first they seem annoying bc its inconsistent with the other "gimee" quests but I eventually found it great fun and rewarding when I finally found the objectives.

Turning off the quest markers isn't really an option because that just puts you at a disadvantage compared to everyone else who is zooming past you in levels bc they just spam "E" and run to the next arrow or circle.

Also just having an option to turn them off doesn't help when the text isn't sufficient to find the next objective, usually its far to vague.

Solution: (warning this solution requires big cojones) Remove all quest markers and flesh out all NPC hints/texts.

A compromise solution would be to maybe highlight people in a green hue if you look at them directly to indicate they may have something interesting to say, anything but these huge arrows over everyone and everything. Also you could maybe leave in some of the Area indicators.

These changes will allow us to slow down and view the gorgeous beauty that is ESO. So let me know what you think guys.

Here's an interesting read on the topic: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/forums/showthread.php?13179-Quest-markers-ruins-RPG
Edited by kelly.medleyb14_ESO on December 7, 2014 5:07AM

Do quest markers ruin great MMORPG's like ESO? 168 votes

No, I am extremely lazy and want everything handed to me keep quest markers.
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Yes, I want to be able to enjoy the game and interact more with others by figuring out quests with no markers.
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This poll is rigged.
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  • ers101284b14_ESO
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    This poll is rigged.
    Much as I loved me some Morrowind not having quest markers in that game made things harder than they need to be. It does make things easier for those who want to speed through and not read NPCs.

    Honestly I don't see what someone else's speed of progression has to do with you at all. If you don't want to speed through then don't. I like knowing where to go once I get the quest. And even now I'm still finding quests I missed thanks to being able to go back and explore.
  • kelly.medleyb14_ESO
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    Yes, I want to be able to enjoy the game and interact more with others by figuring out quests with no markers.
    Well, like it or not MMORPG's have a competitive aspect, Morrowind it ain't :p
  • ers101284b14_ESO
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    This poll is rigged.
    They are competitive in trials, they are competitive in PVP, they are competitive in dungeons, leveling should not be competitive. What your suggesting would upset people playing alts, who have already listened to the story and just wanna get an alt to max quickly.
  • kelly.medleyb14_ESO
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    Yes, I want to be able to enjoy the game and interact more with others by figuring out quests with no markers.
    Levelling Venn diagrams directly into all of the aforementioned.

    Edit: Also, people can level alts by grinding mobs, it's easy.
    Edited by kelly.medleyb14_ESO on December 7, 2014 5:32AM
  • bedlom
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    At least give us the option to disable everything individually. Then everybody wins
  • kelly.medleyb14_ESO
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    Yes, I want to be able to enjoy the game and interact more with others by figuring out quests with no markers.
    bedlom wrote: »
    At least give us the option to disable everything individually. Then everybody wins

    I suppose, but its like offering high octane for a race as well as regular, ofc everyone's going to use the high octane, even if it does make the engine wear down faster.
  • TheBull
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    Yes, I want to be able to enjoy the game and interact more with others by figuring out quests with no markers.
    Maps in all mmorpgs give way too much info, ESO included. That being said I've played my entire time with the button that shows everything off.
  • kelly.medleyb14_ESO
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    Yes, I want to be able to enjoy the game and interact more with others by figuring out quests with no markers.
    TheBull wrote: »
    Maps in all mmorpgs give way too much info, ESO included. That being said I've played my entire time with the button that shows everything off.

    I am going to try that on my last 2 toons I'm allowed, but you are right, another thing that bugged me was no slowly revealing "fog map".
  • Tonturri
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    This poll is rigged.
    If OP was a troll, skip to the very bottom with the bold text.

    I like how the option in the poll you support has a positive connotation attached to it, while the other - which I'd guess you don't support - has a negative. Really nice and encouraging :) Might explain why the pole has more 'the poll is rigged' than anything else.
    I remember the good old days when you had to pour over the NPC's conversations in order to make sure you got the clues to find the objectives to complete quests or information needed to lead to other quests.
    Turning off the quest markers isn't really an option because that just puts you at a disadvantage compared to everyone else who is zooming past you in levels bc they just spam "E" and run to the next arrow or circle.
    But I thought the whole point of having no quest markers was so you could enjoy the journey and all that? Going under that assumption (please correct me if I'm wrong), then how'd you come across the whole 'puts you at a disadvantage in relation to other players'?

    Also about your good old days - there is google now. The solution wouldn't work very well.
    Also just having an option to turn them off doesn't help when the text isn't sufficient to find the next objective, usually its far to vague.
    I think a better solution would be to just flesh out the quest text more. That way, people who want to discover quests can do so, and those who want to just sprint through them can also do it their way. Admittedly this would not fix the whole 'that person is leveling faster', but

    1) It's 2am and I dont' want to think
    2) It's really, really difficult, considering this is an MMO, and imo not worth the trouble. You're asking for two things that don't at all go well together - not wanting to be outleveled by people who level really fast, and wanting to enjoy make the journey take longer/more 'effort' in the form of reading, maybe screenshotting and rereading again the quest text (lengthened by the fact that you'll have to take time to figure out the other stuffs in the quest).

    bedlom wrote: »
    At least give us the option to disable everything individually. Then everybody wins

    I suppose, but its like offering high octane for a race as well as regular, ofc everyone's going to use the high octane, even if it does make the engine wear down faster.
    If you press 'm', then look to your right, you see a bar with four buttons along the top. Click the third one to the right and you can disable pretty much all map markers.



    Personally, I like quest markers. I'm not the best with maps or finding stuff, so they're a boon to me. I enjoy, as I always put it when appropriate, 'playing the game instead of wandering around, rereading and trying to find out where to go in order to play the game'.

    In conclusion, 10/10 would be trolled again. Was mildly interesting.
  • kelly.medleyb14_ESO
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    Yes, I want to be able to enjoy the game and interact more with others by figuring out quests with no markers.
    Yeah but Google is like the "Oracle" you only go to it when necessary, quest markers are all up in your grill.

    I skewed the options so that only people who feel very strongly about their immersion or their laziness would vote, the *** hummer fence walkers have their option too :)
  • Moonscythe
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    This poll is rigged.
    So, the only people welcome in your world are the ones who are just like you?

    Personally, I get lost easily and like quest markers. Morrowind nearly drove me bonkers looking for places and things. I don't consider myself lazy because I use them. I also feel no need at all to "keep up" with anyone else.
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  • lolo_01b16_ESO
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    This poll is rigged.
    It would be nice if quest trackers could be toggled on and off, maybe with off as default option. Then you could enjoy questing the first time you do it, but also use them when you're leveling an alt. Just grinding is no option for an alt, as you get most skillpoints only if you do quests.
  • Spottswoode
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    This poll is rigged.
    Someone has a future as a professional pollster...


    Togglable trackers would be nice, but I refuse to play a payed MMO where I get "Metroid stuck."
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  • AlexDougherty
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    No, I am extremely lazy and want everything handed to me keep quest markers.
    Leave the quest markers alone, if you don't like them, there are addons that disable them, and I believe you can disable the entire UI if you like.

    But at the minute half the time there are no indicators where the next stage of a quest is, I do not want to spend an hour looking for where I should go, especially in a fifteen minute quest.

    If you don't want quest markers, then play a game that doesn't use them (every screen shot/video from beta onwards showed them, so you knew).
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  • Niastissa
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    This poll is rigged.
    This poll is biased. We know what your opinion is because the optuon you don't like is worded negatively.

    Questing is fine exactly how it is right now.
  • Ourorboros
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    This poll is rigged.
    This has got to be one of the worst polls I've seen. I almost don't care about the basic issue of quest markers because the poll responses are so polarizing.

    From the OP:
    I skewed the options so that only people who feel very strongly about their immersion or their laziness would vote, the *** hummer fence walkers have their option too
    I'm guessing OP does not have a job that requires people skills.

    With so many achievements and things to do in the game, not including quests, time in game is a real issue. For those who can't be logged in 24/7, quest markers allow them to advance in much less time, as well as do other things. Besides, this is a community, which means in part we all must live with game choices that benefit the silent majority rather than a vocal minority.
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  • Artemiisia
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    This poll is rigged.
    first of all directed at OP

    having a poll saying this:
    No, I am extremely lazy and want everything handed to me keep quest markers.
    then you already judging people for being lacy, just because they like it, thats kinda harsh aint it? and might even not be the reason they like them...

    Yes, I want to be able to enjoy the game and interact more with others by figuring out quests with no markers.
    again you put your own reasons in the poll...

    if you want to stay objective and want a real poll you should just had writing
    Yes, explain why in thread
    No, explain why in thread
    Other, explain why in thread

    that way you dont force your own agenda into the poll



    so thats why I voted rigged....


  • xMovingTarget
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    This poll is rigged.
    No, I am extremely lazy and want everything handed to me keep quest markers.

    Really? When you do a poll you shouldnt try to steer it with Sentences like that. This is just ***. There are other good reasons for the markers besides being lazy etc.
  • tplink3r1
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    This poll is rigged.
    no.
    dialogs in this game are too boring(unlike skyrim), i would not stand listening to all of them.
    Edited by tplink3r1 on December 7, 2014 3:57PM
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  • AlexDougherty
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    No, I am extremely lazy and want everything handed to me keep quest markers.
    Artemiisia wrote: »
    first of all directed at OP

    having a poll saying this:
    No, I am extremely lazy and want everything handed to me keep quest markers.
    then you already judging people for being lacy, just because they like it, thats kinda harsh aint it? and might even not be the reason they like them...

    Yes, I want to be able to enjoy the game and interact more with others by figuring out quests with no markers.
    again you put your own reasons in the poll...

    if you want to stay objective and want a real poll you should just had writing
    Yes, explain why in thread
    No, explain why in thread
    Other, explain why in thread

    that way you dont force your own agenda into the poll



    so thats why I voted rigged....

    I agree, I voted for No anyway, because I didn't want all the no votes to be in the rigged section section.
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  • Draxys
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    This poll is rigged.
    No, I would like to play the content, not constantly have to solve where in the world is carmen san diego
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  • Leeric
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    Skyrim had arrows above people...didnt bother a lot of people then, and its not an MMO...
  • Gidorick
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    This poll is rigged.
    I am 100% for toggle-able trackers. I really wish ESO has this. I can't imagine it would be a hard thing to add.
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  • bosmern_ESO
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    As someone who went through everything 4 times, and listened to all dialogue with no UI except my abilities, not all quest givers tell you exactly what to do.

    If the quest giver said something like "Go ____, it's not to far from here, just follow the path north a little"

    That would work.
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  • Hamfast
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    This poll is rigged.
    I think you can turn off the quest markers...
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  • Stealthbr
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    Yes, I want to be able to enjoy the game and interact more with others by figuring out quests with no markers.
    I have made a thread about this before. All ZeniMax Online has to do is add the OPTION to hide quest markers and indicators. Currently, they only allow you to hide Quest Giver markers, which is something, but not enough...
    Edited by Stealthbr on December 7, 2014 9:28PM
  • Jroc
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    No, I am extremely lazy and want everything handed to me keep quest markers.
    Levelling Venn diagrams directly into all of the aforementioned.

    Edit: Also, people can level alts by grinding mobs, it's easy.

    Yes because everyone should just have to grind mobs, because you want everyone to play with no quest markers because that suits you more.


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  • Audigy
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    Yes, I want to be able to enjoy the game and interact more with others by figuring out quests with no markers.
    TheBull wrote: »
    Maps in all mmorpgs give way too much info, ESO included. That being said I've played my entire time with the button that shows everything off.

    Back in the days maps in RPGs and MMOs had to be drawn by hand, so while playing you actually wrote down notes on a piece if cow skin.

    That was great fun but todays gamers want it easy sadly :(
  • Jroc
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    No, I am extremely lazy and want everything handed to me keep quest markers.
    Audigy wrote: »
    TheBull wrote: »
    Maps in all mmorpgs give way too much info, ESO included. That being said I've played my entire time with the button that shows everything off.

    Back in the days maps in RPGs and MMOs had to be drawn by hand, so while playing you actually wrote down notes on a piece if cow skin.

    That was great fun but todays gamers want it easy sadly :(

    All removing would do is get people to follow quest guides from third-party sites. I used to play Runescape (a game with no quest arrows, at least when I played, don't know now) and all 95% of the people did was go back and forth between the game screen and a guide.

    This would likely result in the same thing, thus taking players away from the game as they go back and forth, and just cause a plethora of inconvenience, no, not fun or a sense of exploration just mundane, unnecessary inconvenience.
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  • ExiledKhallisi
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    This poll is rigged.
    If there were no quest markers and no addonn that gave them....over 90% of player base would use Google because....

    Time is money.
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