No.

I like that they are bigger and unique. I hope all the lower level delves, as well as all future delves, become unique and large.

You're all missing the most important point OP brought up. Is it really worth the development time to rework early zone delves when so much VR content, end game, and PVP needs major development. I would say no, its not worth it. Its really not that much of a value add to the game, and it certainly isn't impactful enough to affect player retention.

Most of the reworking in the game now is making sure the console version doesn't get the negative feedback and reviews that the PC release copped. Reworking of these dungeons is a must IMO as the placeholder dungeons that were there for PC launch were dull and repetitive, seen one seen them all crap.

axiomaticb14a_ESO wrote: »

You're all missing the most important point OP brought up. Is it really worth the development time to rework early zone delves when so much VR content, end game, and PVP needs major development. I would say no, its not worth it. Its really not that much of a value add to the game, and it certainly isn't impactful enough to affect player retention.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but revamping 3 delves per 1,5month is nothing. I'm sure they could do such a task daily if only that was their priority.

Also I love the new delves they are amazing. And as other have said they are currently fixing the game to get the best reviews on consoles.

I like that they go back and are making all delves bigger and better.

Making the delves bigger is a BS attempt at making the game better. It sucked before and still sucks. End of story!

axiomaticb14a_ESO wrote: »

You're all missing the most important point OP brought up. Is it really worth the development time to rework early zone delves when so much VR content, end game, and PVP needs major development. I would say no, its not worth it. Its really not that much of a value add to the game, and it certainly isn't impactful enough to affect player retention.

its the higher level delves who get upgraded, going down towards the first ones.
And as other says other factions get them in veteran level.

As for developer time, the dungeons designers has nothing to do with lag or pvp balance, the are content designers who only design content, the other thing they could do would be to make group dungeons or new zones.

Well, now you know there are players who do enjoy the extended delves. I'm hoping that more are extended too. I'm levelling an alt and liking the changes.

But then, I'm the sort of player who enjoys the ride, rather than focus on the distant end goal. So, yeah, I can appreciate why it frustrates the OP due to different playing styles.

Aren't delves suppose to scale to player level eventually? So you can go back and do them any time. Or maybe I dreamt about reading that

Anyway, I don't think adding extra rooms, hallways and a few more packs of mobs in a delve, is taking up any precious developer resources. I dont think it's taking time and money away from creating new landmasses, fixing PvP performance or launching exceptional story-lines. One less accomplished junior staff can probably do it in a week.

Champions system, class overhaul and stuff like that is what's making the ZoS staff busy.

Improved delves, that also scaled, could actually be a good thing. Imagine if the loot was decent. If there was daily quests (similar to Undaunted) to slay a boss in there. I personally feel they could do a lot of stuff with delves for solo and duo players, to make them more worthwhile. Making them bigger, is a step in the right direction.

Ragefist wrote: »

Yes you are wrong. They expand them because of player feedback, and they did good job with it

Believe it or not, there are fans who play this game as RPG, not as race to top level and whinge on forums about lack of content

Its not a waste of players time, its the whole purpose of the game, to spend time your time playing it and have fun in the process. There is something fundamentally wrong with you if you cant grasp this concept

This.

Winnower wrote: »

Making a tunnel longer and putting 8 times more mobs in the tunnel doesn't make the delve more interesting in and of itself.

If the CONTENT in the larger delve had anything interesting or worth exploring then I'd be all for this. But killing more mobs that are exactly the same in a totally linear context with nothing else there is just boring.

There are no notes or other things to read, no mobs to talk to, no chests or additional searchable content. There are no additional or interesting drops - most of these mobs don't even drop items - just a modicum of money.

There is no *real* exploring. If there were side passages with interesting sights, convoluted mazes - gods if there was ANYTHING, any REASON to make them larger I'd be thrilled. Alas there is not.

I've been through all of DC and most of AD (veteran silver) since 1.5. The larger delves are just larger with vast areas of nothing. Nothing is more interesting or worth exploring or good for RPGers.

Time alone is insufficient. Having a conversation drag on for 5 minutes instead of 1 minute when there is nothing new said doesn't make the conversation better.

Thoughtless content won't cut it, sorry.

I've been an serious RPer since 1974, and I was on the RP server on EQ1 for 6 years - I love neat stuff to look at, do, interact with, and I have spent hours examining architecture or particularly neat scenes in more than just this game.

None of the new delve stuff has been worth doing so far.

I agree, which is why your post only needed to be one sentence long.

You just can't please some people. One person wants to walk in the door of a delve, immediately confront the boss, get the skyshard, then turn around 180 degrees to face the door he entered through and promptly leave.

The other one wants to spend 5 hours deciphering coded messages on cave walls in order to find a secret map to a buried treasure that contains a rubik's cube which, once unlocked, reveals a hidden passageway to a door that requires the password you found on a faded note guarded by the Udyrfrykte Matron in the labyrinths of a completely different delve. Oh, and then you get a gold item at the end, of course.

Winnower wrote: »

Making a tunnel longer and putting 8 times more mobs in the tunnel doesn't make the delve more interesting in and of itself.

If the CONTENT in the larger delve had anything interesting or worth exploring then I'd be all for this. But killing more mobs that are exactly the same in a totally linear context with nothing else there is just boring.

There are no notes or other things to read, no mobs to talk to, no chests or additional searchable content. There are no additional or interesting drops - most of these mobs don't even drop items - just a modicum of money.

There is no *real* exploring. If there were side passages with interesting sights, convoluted mazes - gods if there was ANYTHING, any REASON to make them larger I'd be thrilled. Alas there is not.

I've been through all of DC and most of AD (veteran silver) since 1.5. The larger delves are just larger with vast areas of nothing. Nothing is more interesting or worth exploring or good for RPGers.

Time alone is insufficient. Having a conversation drag on for 5 minutes instead of 1 minute when there is nothing new said doesn't make the conversation better.

Thoughtless content won't cut it, sorry.

I've been an serious RPer since 1974, and I was on the RP server on EQ1 for 6 years - I love neat stuff to look at, do, interact with, and I have spent hours examining architecture or particularly neat scenes in more than just this game.

None of the new delve stuff has been worth doing so far.

I agree with this to a point. Making them larger, and with multiple paths through from start to end, makes them more interesting but it does not really add any new content to the exercise.

However, making them larger does make the two goals of the delve more involved and less like a side-trip. This is a very important thing and makes the effort worth doing.

We have to remember that these are delves and they fit into a specific place in the game. These are the least significant dungeon-like activity in the game. They should not be reworked to the point where they are dungeons that have multiple bosses.

My first suggestion for making delves more interesting is an expansion of the chests that they put into them. I would like to see random locked chests, in random locations, with only one appearing at a time, that contain significantly better loot than the comparable Simple/Intermediate/etc chests sitting out in the open. Worthy repeatable chests in uncertain locations. My perception of the chests in delves today is that the content is more of the same mediocre stuff.

Do more to break up the predictable placement and configuration of the humanoid mobs. The solo guy, the union workers (only is one working), the group around the watercooler (chatting), and the group with the wandering member are all pretty much standard. They are all placed just out of detection range for each other making each group largely oblivious to what is happening just down the tunnel, no matter how much noise is being made. Seriously, I can tell when other players are around but out of sight, which makes the mobs feel like precisely positioned cardboard cutouts.

Edit: Just remembered what Jason Barnes said during ESO Live about finding new ways to kill players when doing Dragonstar Arena. I want someone back there behind the curtain trying to kill me when I am alone in these places. Err.... Not really dedicated about it, but at least interested.