So Dueling?

SG_Celerrimus · December 2014

So, the new "Road Ahead" just got put out, and with it the announcement of the Justice System and Champion System. One of my big questions for it is, does this mean dueling coming very soon? I am not talking Enforcer vs. Outlaw PvP in the non-cyrodiil parts of the world, I am talking one on one, friend vs friend, just smacking each other until someone calls for mercy.

I know a few times in the past, prominent members of ZOS, such as Paul Sage, have claimed that in order to put in a dueling system for 1v1 combat, they would first need to put in the Justice System. Now, since its going in, I am wondering when this will be, as they supposedly will have the systems in place to do it.

Ommamar · December 2014

Maybe at a later phase although I could see it now as the enforcer issues a challenge to the thief who can choose to engage or run away. Of course traditionally rogue types aren't known for being good in a straight up fight, which I think is why so many games give them sneak and opportunist attacks.
Another thought for dueling is if your faction controls the Arena section of the imperial city. I think it would be kind of a neat feature if you could "capture" defeated players of the other faction and force them to fight in the Arena for your amusement; not likely to happen but be cool if it did.

SG_Celerrimus · December 2014

@Ommamar, Sadly, I can't see thieves agreeing to fight enforcers, as I think enforcers are meant to stand as an obstacle for the thieves and deliberately prevent their shenanigans.

I could also see an issue with the whole Arena thing, as I don't think people want to be forced into doing that, and I don't think ZOS would do that either.

dodgehopper_ESO · December 2014

Duelling would be fantastic, and its actually within theme. I vote yes for having the option to Duel. (It would also help in analyzing builds).

hutchinsonhatch · December 2014

I certainly don't hope that a dueling system will get implemented. We will have those all over the cities, in crafting areas etc. Isn't it enough that naked groups gather in central places and express their immature behaviour?

dharbert · December 2014

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

It would also help in analyzing builds.

.....And that right there is the main reason you will never see friendly dueling implemented.

There would be a hundred threads a day on this forum complaining about how skill X is supposed to do Y, but actually does Z.

They don't want anyone to be able to test builds or see which skills are working correctly and which ones aren't.

dharbert · December 2014

hutchinsonhatch wrote: »

I certainly don't hope that a dueling system will get implemented. We will have those all over the cities, in crafting areas etc. Isn't it enough that naked groups gather in central places and express their immature behaviour?

I personally believe that dueling will never be implemented, but if it was there would have to be restrictions such as no dueling inside town limits, no dueling in banks, crafting areas, etc.....

Because as you said, there are 10,000 immature jackwagons that would just love to troll people all day and have nothing better to do.

ers101284b14_ESO · December 2014

If I remember right (don't remember where) but I think they said that they do want dueling, imperial city, and even the 3v3v3. But they also said they didn't want to take away from Cyrodill and still wanted large scale battles to be a thing.

Personally I think they want to get Cyrodill working well so that when they do implement other PVP scenarios that Cyrodill will still be active. I also think they are having more problems with Cyrodill than they expected.

So don't expect it any time soon.

kallistiGAD · December 2014

I would love to see dueling implemented, so long as there were restrictions on dueling in cities and an option to ignore all dueling requests for those who don't want to be constantly bombarded. Overall, it would be great for rpers and people who just want to test out builds. Maybe a dueling (sparring) area near each factions main camp in Cyrodiil? Overall, it makes sense lorewise and I can't see a reason not to implement it except for the trolls but there are easy ways to restrict trolling behavior, namely by restricting the areas you can duel in and the ability to opt out of receiving requests.

Jacques Berge · December 2014

I'll certainly use the justice system to duel... My friends think they can beat me for some reason... It'll be nice to shut them up.

Alphashado · December 2014

I just read somewhere, and I am paraphrasing: "We are not opposed to dueling. In fact we would like to see it implemented at some point, but it won't be until the 1v1 pvp programming is perfected, and that won't be until after the final phase of the justice system".

I don't recall where I read that. I'll see if I can find it. But in any case it won't be any time soon because the initial phase of the justice system will not be including pvp, only interaction with NPCs and hostile guards.

EDIT: I can't remember where in the heck I read that. It was only a few days ago...

Hamfast · December 2014

I would hope Dueling is never implemented, if it is, let it be in Cyrodiil someplace (perhaps the faction areas for members of the same faction)... but, if it is implemented I would like it implemented with an "Auto Decline and Ignore" so those...

dharbert wrote: »

10,000 immature jackwagons

don't get to abuse the folks that don't need to measure their epeen.

I have to admit, I would really like a "Decline, ignore and Slap Down" so the offender gets the initial decline and when they challenge again, they wake up at a wayshrine... "Decline, ignore and report" would be good for the myriad of "jackwagons" but I can see it would generate a million abuse reports, and that's just in the first day...

Jacques Berge · December 2014

How are you gonna know that you're better then other people if you don't duel em? Hahahaha jk, yeah they should have an auto decline. Not sure why you're so bent out of shape about it... Did someone you trust duel you and you couldn't auto decline? Maybe an uncle or a coach? Hahahhahaha

NordJitsu · December 2014

After the Justice System, hopefully dueling will be next.

Then this game will finally be complete.

hutchinsonhatch · December 2014

Jacques Berge wrote: »

How are you gonna know that you're better then other people if you don't duel em? Hahahaha jk, yeah they should have an auto decline. Not sure why you're so bent out of shape about it... Did someone you trust duel you and you couldn't auto decline? Maybe an uncle or a coach? Hahahhahaha

I personally don't need to find out about it, if I don't face them in Cyrodiil. What you're trying here is too obvious.

Jacques Berge · December 2014

hutchinsonhatch wrote: »

Jacques Berge wrote: »

How are you gonna know that you're better then other people if you don't duel em? Hahahaha jk, yeah they should have an auto decline. Not sure why you're so bent out of shape about it... Did someone you trust duel you and you couldn't auto decline? Maybe an uncle or a coach? Hahahhahaha

I personally don't need to find out about it, if I don't face them in Cyrodiil. What you're trying here is too obvious.

Oh it's just a harmless joke bthe thing is, me and my guildies can't fight each other's in our mains... Which is what we want to do.

bittalakrb14_ESO · June 2015

Hamfast wrote: »

I would hope Dueling is never implemented, if it is, let it be in Cyrodiil someplace (perhaps the faction areas for members of the same faction)... but, if it is implemented I would like it implemented with an "Auto Decline and Ignore" so those...

dharbert wrote: »

10,000 immature jackwagons

don't get to abuse the folks that don't need to measure their epeen.

I have to admit, I would really like a "Decline, ignore and Slap Down" so the offender gets the initial decline and when they challenge again, they wake up at a wayshrine... "Decline, ignore and report" would be good for the myriad of "jackwagons" but I can see it would generate a million abuse reports, and that's just in the first day...

Unfortunately for you, you're outnumbered on "Not ever wanting to have a dueling feature implemented". There really is no logical basis for that kind of attitude towards the feature, other than you don't want to have people spamming duel requests, but we all know there is a remedy for that, that being an auto-decline feature.

And what is this about adding a feature to auto "Decline, ignore and Slap Down" or adding an auto "Decline, ignore and report" system? You can't be spammed when you have the auto-decline feature turned on, so it seems senseless to add those extra features. I feel like you just want them for spite. I'm not sure why you have such a strong bias against dueling.