wtb racechange

Spangla · December 2014

I wouldnt have rolled khajiit if i knew that damage dealers in LIGHT armour could be completely resistant to my crit chance....

Merlin13KAGL · December 2014

This is a dead horse/Guar/Sench Tiger...

OP, Search the forums, Delete your character, pick the race of your choosing.

Again, the racials are minor compared to other factors.

@Spangla, which light armor passive does that, eh? Anyone can put the impenetrable trait on their gear. And damage shields are available, in some form, to any class last I checked.

What racial passives are so imbalanced that it completely breaks the functionality of a given race vs another? Seems to me it's one of the few things they have that isn't completely out of whack.

Spangla · December 2014

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

This is a dead horse/Guar/Sench Tiger...

OP, Search the forums, Delete your character, pick the race of your choosing.

Again, the racials are minor compared to other factors.

@Spangla, which light armor passive does that, eh? Anyone can put the impenetrable trait on their gear. And damage shields are available, in some form, to any class last I checked.

What racial passives are so imbalanced that it completely breaks the functionality of a given race vs another? Seems to me it's one of the few things they have that isn't completely out of whack.

Um dumner? obviously....

Iyas · December 2014

I want this too

Akselmo · December 2014

Iluvrien wrote: »

Akselmo wrote: »

Why would it matter to you if someone else would like to change their characters race?

Quite apart from anything else, it would mean that the armour/spec requirements that I see so often in group content interactions will start containing race requirements too... on the basis that not being that race for that class/build is sub-optimal. I have seen that to a limited degree already (even within my own Guilds) but it has always met with the "Well this is the race that the available players actually are" argument.

With globally available, even if limited, race changes the dynamics for such things will change whether it is an intended change or not.

Ah, I see. I never thought it that way, just thought it as a visual thing more than anything else. I agree with your point.

Rhavein · December 2014

Merlin13KAGL · December 2014

Spangla wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

What racial passives are so imbalanced that it completely breaks the functionality of a given race vs another? Seems to me it's one of the few things they have that isn't completely out of whack.

Um dumner? obviously....

@Spangla , I'm ok with the bonuses the Dunmer get, to be honest. I do see where you're coming from, though, with the major emphasis on fire.

What I think needs to change is the absolute emphasis on fire being the end-all-be-all of elemental attacks.

For any of the bonuses, any element should be able to be focused (in trade for not having those bonuses on the remaining two) to allow the additional damage/effects/crit chance on more than just fire.

It's not as if there are not stormcasters, pyromages, and ice mages in NPC form.

The one (racial) change I would make, if you have increased resistance to one element, you normally would have increased susceptibility to the opposing element.

This would help even it out and provide some variation at the same time.

Wanna be a fire throwing Dunmer DK? Fine, deal with the ice storm coming your way.

There should be benefits and weaknesses to every race.

Beesting · December 2014

As a woodelf vamp i wish i had made a dunmer instead, but i just read the road ahead and have a feeling my bosmer buff to stealth might make me a good pickpocket haha

With zeni you never know what is around the corner, the meek might inherit the earth..

Morticide828 · December 2014

I would just be happy with changing the black & red facepaint I rolled him with. Haircut & beard are still fine

Dunmer4lyf

Robocles · December 2014

gresiac wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Hopefully the Champion System will stop these requests. With that, all you have to do is get an Alt to L50 and that can be done in a weekend or less.

how ?

Spending less time complaining you can't change your race?

Roll a new toon if you want to change your race and class.

Morticide828 · December 2014

Also, a re-customisation would be quite good for characters themselves - especially the RP'ers. Then their characters could gain or lose weight due to illness, or add scars from fights, stuff like that.

Race change itself, however - if implemented, should be a premium PAID option, that costs $25 USD like almost every other MMO that offers it.

Also, on top of that, make it a 6 month lockout from changing that specific character again, to avoid abuse, or min-max asshattery.

Iluvrien · December 2014

Morticide828 wrote: »

Also, on top of that, make it a 6 month lockout from changing that specific character again, to avoid abuse, or min-max asshattery.

I've got 10000yen here that says that 6 months would not be enough to prevent FOTM, abuse or min-maxing. It would just slow it down. After all, with the release/patch schedule as it is, significant changes might not even creep into builds over that timescale.... except, of course, in the first few months of release or after a major system overhaul.

Spangla · December 2014

Robocles wrote: »

gresiac wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Hopefully the Champion System will stop these requests. With that, all you have to do is get an Alt to L50 and that can be done in a weekend or less.

how ?

Spending less time complaining you can't change your race?

Roll a new toon if you want to change your race and class.

So I can change my race - Just gota waste my life donig it.... cool

Kromus · December 2014

k9mouse wrote: »

Players just want to be spoon feed and be handed everything instead of working for it. Like race change, if you do not like your race, roll an alt and do the work to get what do you want. Don't expect to be spoon feed for YOUR mistakes. I made my 1st char with full knowledge that I want to change something about them -- that is the trouble of being 1st.

If we can change race at will, then get into FotM build nerf wars and other pointless crying on the forums (more so then now). By keeping the fact that the race can not be changed, it has more value and meaning when one makes a char. If you choose a bad race choose, live with it. Don't going around crying for your mistakes.

We have 8 char slots, learn how to use them.

Sorry dude, but what you stated is crap and you are doing it in rather arrogant way. It has nothing to do with "be handed everything instead of working for it" in this case. People who would change their race are those with nearly maxed-out characters in achievements, levels, crafting, items etc., which implies they already worked hard for it and don't want to loose the progress just because look and feel of character is not the same at character creation screen and in "real world". Why labeling it as "mistake" at all, and furthermore pointing fingers "YOUR" mistake, when it can be simple need to adjust your character in a way that more suits "road behind" and "road ahead"?

FOTM also have nothing to do with this as most people would mainly race change for visual reasons and not racial passives, but lets get into FOTM a bit more. FOTM means Flavor of the MONTH, no? Allowing one race change per 6 months for example nullifies FOTM as you can't change it every month to achieve FOTM, no? Anyway, it's not like developers don't take into account racial passive when balancing skills and abilities for this issue to be anything more than trivial. Above all, I don't understand the urge in people to preach against something when it has 0 impact on them and on other side would make someone else happy (players) or profitable (zenimax).

Last, but not least, if you have enough time in your life to level several characters for whatever reason you may have, don't assume everyone else have and many people do stick with one character to play. From ZOS POV your "working for it" means more resources from them for each of your characters, for the same amount of money they receive from single-char players, who would by the way also gladly give them another 20 bucks or so to change skin/animations of their character. In short, your attitude in this issue is wrong on so many levels. Live and let others live.

ahstin2001nub18_ESO · December 2014

Kromus wrote: »

k9mouse wrote: »

Players just want to be spoon feed and be handed everything instead of working for it. Like race change, if you do not like your race, roll an alt and do the work to get what do you want. Don't expect to be spoon feed for YOUR mistakes. I made my 1st char with full knowledge that I want to change something about them -- that is the trouble of being 1st.

If we can change race at will, then get into FotM build nerf wars and other pointless crying on the forums (more so then now). By keeping the fact that the race can not be changed, it has more value and meaning when one makes a char. If you choose a bad race choose, live with it. Don't going around crying for your mistakes.

We have 8 char slots, learn how to use them.

Sorry dude, but what you stated is crap and you are doing it in rather arrogant way. It has nothing to do with "be handed everything instead of working for it" in this case. People who would change their race are those with nearly maxed-out characters in achievements, levels, crafting, items etc., which implies they already worked hard for it and don't want to loose the progress just because look and feel of character is not the same at character creation screen and in "real world". Why labeling it as "mistake" at all, and furthermore pointing fingers "YOUR" mistake, when it can be simple need to adjust your character in a way that more suits "road behind" and "road ahead"?

FOTM also have nothing to do with this as most people would mainly race change for visual reasons and not racial passives, but lets get into FOTM a bit more. FOTM means Flavor of the MONTH, no? Allowing one race change per 6 months for example nullifies FOTM as you can't change it every month to achieve FOTM, no? Anyway, it's not like developers don't take into account racial passive when balancing skills and abilities for this issue to be anything more than trivial. Above all, I don't understand the urge in people to preach against something when it has 0 impact on them and on other side would make someone else happy (players) or profitable (zenimax).

Last, but not least, if you have enough time in your life to level several characters for whatever reason you may have, don't assume everyone else have and many people do stick with one character to play. From ZOS POV your "working for it" means more resources from them for each of your characters, for the same amount of money they receive from single-char players, who would by the way also gladly give them another 20 bucks or so to change skin/animations of their character. In short, your attitude in this issue is wrong on so many levels. Live and let others live.

perhaps you should look at it this way:

you decided for whatever reason, that your race is no longer the race you prefer. so now my 15 bucks a month isn't going to fixing bugs and advancing the game, it now goes towards implementing the ability to change your race, for a decision you made, months ago. i would also lean to that being arrogant. honestly, i don't care if it is or not. i understand that people are narcissists per primal instincts of survival, so i know i can find it in every stance.

what i don't like is the constant "i screwed up, so you need to implement a fix, because the mechanics already in place aren't to my liking" posts are really getting old. take some responsibility, and just bite the bullet and reroll. >>if we were far deeper into the game, and there werent a ton of game ending issues i wouldn't care so much and laugh quietly<<

don't bother saying "how you would you feel if this happened to you" because i been there. one time, i even decided the race was wrong and the server was wrong, so not only did i leave a raid equipped character on my starting server, i went from the ground up from level 1, with no twinking, and no friends list for power leveling. it is, what it is. on the inverse i had RL friends transfer to other servers, and i decided that it wasn't worth the cost of moving all my chars, the banked items, to keep up with them.

and no, i don't have a lot of time. some weeks i work 7 days straight, some weeks i work roughly 50 hours; sometimes i have to work weekends. i accept that to be a fact, and just suck it up.... or just lose sleep so i can play.

i also include the definition of mistake so you know why he used the word "mistake":

1.
an error in action, calculation, opinion, or judgment caused by poor reasoning, carelessness, insufficient knowledge, etc.
2.
a misunderstanding or misconception.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/mistake?s=t

Iluvrien · December 2014

Kromus wrote: »

FOTM also have nothing to do with this as most people would mainly race change for visual reasons and not racial passives, but lets get into FOTM a bit more. FOTM means Flavor of the MONTH, no? Allowing one race change per 6 months for example nullifies FOTM as you can't change it every month to achieve FOTM, no? Anyway, it's not like developers don't take into account racial passive when balancing skills and abilities for this issue to be anything more than trivial. Above all, I don't understand the urge in people to preach against something when it has 0 impact on them and on other side would make someone else happy (players) or profitable (zenimax).

Um, it kind of does, you know. First of all FOTM is a piece of terminology in common usage to refer to a behaviour or status. It isn't even particular to MMOs. So then is likely to be altered depending on what the development cycle is for every MMO it might be applied to? If one MMO makes class balance changes on a weekly basis, and another does it on a quarterly basis are you really going allege that they will use different acronyms to refer to it? Of course not, and to suggest they might is taking semantic pedantry to and entirely new level.

If you still don't believe the above do a google search for the acronym and then look to see how many of the results don't claim that the "month" specifier is required before it can be used. It is an idiom not a technical term.

So no, a 6 month race change limit will not exclude FOTM shifts if the time scale over which significant changes to races occur is at or above 6 months.

If you really think that people will not be doing this for mechanical reasons then I suggest that you go and read some of the past threads on this subject. (HINT: This is a good one in which the OP wants a race change specifically on the basis of mechanical concerns... and they aren't the only one).

That said, if you think this is purely aesthetic and not mechanical then petition ZOS to allow a "skin" change in the barbershop, i.e. allow players to change how they look but don't allow it to affect the mechanics side at all. Shouldn't be too tough and I wouldn't mind seeing that at all as it truly wouldn't have any impact beyond the player concerned.

Kromus wrote: »

Last, but not least, if you have enough time in your life to level several characters for whatever reason you may have, don't assume everyone else have and many people do stick with one character to play.

I, for one, don't assume that. I have one main character who I barely get to play enough. However if, at any point, I had felt entirely uncomfortable with the way he was working out then I would either have rerolled a new main or started levelling an alt to take his place (but with his help and resources). I wouldn't assume that just because I had an issue with the character that I should ask for a fundamental change in how character choices should work.

Surfinginhawaii · December 2014

Instead of waiting for something that may never happen I just rolled out a new character with the race I should have chosen, time to grind.

ahstin2001nub18_ESO · December 2014

@Iluvrien reminded me that EQ actually had race changing potions. now that would be a sweet idea to have here.

Kromus · December 2014

Iluvrien wrote: »

Kromus wrote: »

FOTM also have nothing to do with this as most people would mainly race change for visual reasons and not racial passives, but lets get into FOTM a bit more. FOTM means Flavor of the MONTH, no? Allowing one race change per 6 months for example nullifies FOTM as you can't change it every month to achieve FOTM, no? Anyway, it's not like developers don't take into account racial passive when balancing skills and abilities for this issue to be anything more than trivial. Above all, I don't understand the urge in people to preach against something when it has 0 impact on them and on other side would make someone else happy (players) or profitable (zenimax).

Um, it kind of does, you know. First of all FOTM is a piece of terminology in common usage to refer to a behaviour or status. It isn't even particular to MMOs. So then is likely to be altered depending on what the development cycle is for every MMO it might be applied to? If one MMO makes class balance changes on a weekly basis, and another does it on a quarterly basis are you really going allege that they will use different acronyms to refer to it? Of course not, and to suggest they might is taking semantic pedantry to and entirely new level.

If you still don't believe the above do a google search for the acronym and then look to see how many of the results don't claim that the "month" specifier is required before it can be used. It is an idiom not a technical term.

So no, a 6 month race change limit will not exclude FOTM shifts if the time scale over which significant changes to races occur is at or above 6 months.

If you really think that people will not be doing this for mechanical reasons then I suggest that you go and read some of the past threads on this subject. (HINT: This is a good one in which the OP wants a race change specifically on the basis of mechanical concerns... and they aren't the only one).

That said, if you think this is purely aesthetic and not mechanical then petition ZOS to allow a "skin" change in the barbershop, i.e. allow players to change how they look but don't allow it to affect the mechanics side at all. Shouldn't be too tough and I wouldn't mind seeing that at all as it truly wouldn't have any impact beyond the player concerned.

Kromus wrote: »

Last, but not least, if you have enough time in your life to level several characters for whatever reason you may have, don't assume everyone else have and many people do stick with one character to play.

I, for one, don't assume that. I have one main character who I barely get to play enough. However if, at any point, I had felt entirely uncomfortable with the way he was working out then I would either have rerolled a new main or started levelling an alt to take his place (but with his help and resources). I wouldn't assume that just because I had an issue with the character that I should ask for a fundamental change in how character choices should work.

I never said everyone will race change due to visual appearance, but most players (casual) will, and "elitist" who are minority in game would go for mechanics. Yes, I do think if class balance in a game occurs at weekly intervals, players would use FOTW instead, or FOTY, for more precise description, but it makes no difference. Year is almost 2015., decade after mmo genre exploded at market, and that means during that decade some elements of mmo established as common. Some of those are race/faction change, name change, appearance change, server change etc, in a same manner like we take airbags, abs etc. for granted in today cars.

Agitating against such option in a game where with single character you have to go through other 2 factions gameplay on your way to max level is kinda absurd. Level one character to max and you've seen all this game have to offer story wise, contrary to most other mmo games where you have unique story for each race and you actually have incentive to play through other races.

That is why, by my opinion, this game really needs such option and I don't see it taking more time than developing useless pets (skeleton, texture, animations, pathing, clipping etc.), as there is no need to make anything new for it (same interface as when creating character in first place) client wise. Barbershop is mandatory at some point ofc

I don't have a need to change race and don't think I will change it if/when ZOS implements it, but I do think such option should exist for the reasons explained in previous paragraphs, tho not now as there are much urgent issues to fix. Same as it would take little time to implement one arena in Cyrodiil for first aid (DSA + LFG) until some actual new pvp content kicks in.

Gidorick · December 2014

k9mouse wrote: »

Akselmo wrote: »

k9mouse wrote: »

Race has meaning because we CAN NOT change them. I do not want a race change in ESO never! This is just a pointless and silly idea.

I VOTE NO TO RACE CHANGE!

Why would it matter to you if someone else would like to change their characters race?

Because race should have meaning and value, lore is the most important then a min / maxer whims. Like or (not), ESO and TES games are build on lore. If lore goes, the ESO will die. Lore is the reason that many of us play ESO in the 1st place. Race is more then numbers for min / maxers to play with, it has very deep meaning and very deep history behind each and every race. (aka Lore)

Well said sir