Tamriel needs barbers!

MornaBaine · October 2014

Kesstryl wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

They can do this easily in stages. There are 3 things we really "need" right now.

1. New hairstyles and a way to access them. A barber would be perfect for this. You simply go to the barber/vendor, choose the hairstyle, and pay. THIS option should be moderately priced and should not change hair color. IF it is not too much trouble (and I really don't see why it would be) you can ALSO change your hair color as a separate service that you would need to pay for separately.

2. Name changer. This should be done at the bank and be just another service the bank offers. Some cute dialogue about how this won't hide you from the eyes of the law could be pretty cool as well. Heck, if you currently have a bounty on you maybe you CAN'T change your name. Unless, of course, you can pay a HUGE amount of gold to bribe the bank official to "forge" your papers and the end result is that your bounty goes away but you are now poor as dirt! LOL

3. More "adornments" and access to them. Again, another vendor. I kinda feel we have PLENTY of scars and what we REALLY need are more makeup options. Yes, for MEN too! Different shading and contouring can make a tremendous change in how your character looks. More facial hair options for men would also be nice. Again, moderate cost on this. However, as this will likely involve some sort of access to the character creation screen it MAY need to be saved for later and implemented only as part of my final suggestion.

These 3 (or at least the first 2) things CAN be implemented soon and with minimal effort on the part of ZoS. And they SHOULD do it rather than holding out on us in order to try to wow us with some magnificent all-inclusive system with lots of bells and whistles a year or even 6 months from now. Both are too long. We need access to the above sooner rather than later.

LATER they can implement a more elaborate system where maybe you can take a trip to Eveya (a specific pocket dimension of it anyway) where you can pay an arch mage an inordinate amount of gold to perform a transformation spell on you. Mage begins the spell, you are lifted up and bathed in light... and then you are back in the character creator. There, you may change name, sex, and all physical characteristics. You CANNOT change anything that has a stat attached to it, so no race or class changes. From there you can COMPLETELY remake your character if that is your desire or just do all the minor tweaking that you've been wanting to do to make them more exactly the way you've decided you want them to be.

I think barbers should be able to change hair color. I mean henna has been around forever as a tattoo and hair color, so Tamriel probably has it's own herbs that can dye hair and tattoo skin. No real magic there. More hair styles, beard options, and makeup would be great, but I'd just like access to tweaking the sliders in char gen with what currently exists RIGHT NOW. I have a Nord that needs slightly lighter hair and I don't want to remake the char just to lighten hair color.

The mage thing for more drastic makeovers is a cool idea though. My really tall Imperial would like to take a trip to such a mage to shrink down a tad.

I agree that hair color change should be available as well and like I said, don't see any reason keeping them from doing it. It should just be a separate service at the barber.

Gyudan · October 2014

The Future of ESO Panel at Quakecon
There's a question about it (1:27:45) answered by Paul Sage
They've been working on different customization options and the way it's going to be introduced matters a lot. He personally wants a RP mechanic where people earn these options (but this could change).
TL:DR "It's coming, it's just a matter of how and when."

MornaBaine · October 2014

Gyudan wrote: »

The Future of ESO Panel at Quakecon
There's a question about it (1:27:45) answered by Paul Sage
They've been working on different customization options and the way it's going to be introduced matters a lot. He personally wants a RP mechanic where people earn these options (but this could change).
TL:DR "It's coming, it's just a matter of how and when."

And that non-answer is no longer good enough and needs to be updated. As a roleplayer I find it kind of insulting actually. RP mechanic and I have to "earn" the right to a new haircut? Um...not much is RP about that. That this guy would say we have to have some sort of RP around something like this when we still can't sit on chairs and benches in this game is just a bit ridiculous. Like every other new MMO I've seen, a ton was promised to the RP crowd and precious little is ever delivered.

Kesstryl · November 2014

I don't want to have to earn the right to change my character either. Do I earn the right to go get a hair cut or dye my hair or put on make up in real life? No I just go do it. There is no RP reason for this. If it's simply a matter of making it part of the world, well barbers belong in any world, fantasy or not. With all the hair and beard options at character creation, I would think someone in Tamriel would already be doing this RP-wise. In real life we have henna dye, so having herbal hair coloring is also on par with having sheers and shavers. As for adjusting face and body characteristics (something more like plastic surgery), then why not magic? If an NPC in Skyrim can do this, why not have certain wizards trained to use magic to change the body? Maybe I could see this kind of thing being earned, but hair cuts, hair dye, and beard grooming absolutely no reason to need to RP that in, that's just common ordinary stuff that already belongs.

Bring us Barbers and Body Sculpting Wizards!

MornaBaine · November 2014

Kesstryl wrote: »

I don't want to have to earn the right to change my character either. Do I earn the right to go get a hair cut or dye my hair or put on make up in real life? No I just go do it. There is no RP reason for this. If it's simply a matter of making it part of the world, well barbers belong in any world, fantasy or not. With all the hair and beard options at character creation, I would think someone in Tamriel would already be doing this RP-wise. In real life we have henna dye, so having herbal hair coloring is also on par with having sheers and shavers. As for adjusting face and body characteristics (something more like plastic surgery), then why not magic? If an NPC in Skyrim can do this, why not have certain wizards trained to use magic to change the body? Maybe I could see this kind of thing being earned, but hair cuts, hair dye, and beard grooming absolutely no reason to need to RP that in, that's just common ordinary stuff that already belongs.

Bring us Barbers and Body Sculpting Wizards!

I would be fine with them making the body changing stuff unavailable until you can reach Eyeva (I probably misspelled that but it's the wizard's isle you get access to via the Shalidor quests) and then there's an NPC wizard THERE that can, for a fee, transform you and give you a new identity.

But yeah, barbers should totally be available from the beginning. I also think you should be able to change your name at the bank, having the bankers act like notaries, taking down the change in their records. LOL Both options should cost a pretty low amount of gold.

RDMyers65b14_ESO · November 2014

The problem with making the appearance change on Eyevea is not everyone has access to it. Not everyone does the mages guild quest and it is a level 43 quest. Yes it can be done at a lower level (level 26 on my Altmer Sorc) but not everyone wants to go there.

AlexDougherty · November 2014

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

The problem with making the appearance change on Eyevea is not everyone has access to it. Not everyone does the mages guild quest and it is a level 43 quest. Yes it can be done at a lower level (level 26 on my Altmer Sorc) but not everyone wants to go there.

Agreed, same for earth forge. What they need to do is put one in the capitals, that way they are available to everyone at a fairly low level, but you have enough time playing with them to decide whether you really want to change them.

MornaBaine · November 2014

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

The problem with making the appearance change on Eyevea is not everyone has access to it. Not everyone does the mages guild quest and it is a level 43 quest. Yes it can be done at a lower level (level 26 on my Altmer Sorc) but not everyone wants to go there.

Oh fine! LOL I'd be cool with them then putting a handy mage in the starting zone mage guild hall of each faction. Then there would never be any barrier.

MornaBaine · November 2014

I wonder if there's any chance of this popular request being addressed in the next Road Ahead?

CapuchinSeven · November 2014

Gyudan wrote: »

The Future of ESO Panel at Quakecon
There's a question about it (1:27:45) answered by Paul Sage
They've been working on different customization options and the way it's going to be introduced matters a lot. He personally wants a RP mechanic where people earn these options (but this could change).
TL:DR "It's coming, it's just a matter of how and when."

UGH, I hate this stuff. It's like TOR did with the costume system, they turned something fun and enjoyable like making your character look the way you want it to and turned it into a gold sink grind just to unslot a few things in your armour.

AlexDougherty · November 2014

MornaBaine wrote: »

I wonder if there's any chance of this popular request being addressed in the next Road Ahead?

I doubt it, even if they were thinking about it, it would be the one after the next, or amaybe the one after that.

I am beginning to doubt they are thinking about it.

eventide03b14a_ESO · November 2014

Seriously how difficult could it be? In every TES game there was a command line to take you back to character creation and Skyrim even went so far as to include it in an expansion. So how difficult would it be to implement a feature that took you back to character select and restricted what you could tweak?

Gyudan · November 2014

In character creation, I didn't pay much attention to the "character height" bar. It's pretty hard to notice if something's wrong, as there is nothing to compare your new character with.
Now my main characters are 2 midgets and a giantess ...

MornaBaine · November 2014

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Seriously how difficult could it be? In every TES game there was a command line to take you back to character creation and Skyrim even went so far as to include it in an expansion. So how difficult would it be to implement a feature that took you back to character select and restricted what you could tweak?

I'd like to say, "It's not difficult at all!" And in theory it isn't. But then I think about the patches we've been getting... >.>

Kesstryl · January 2015

Too bad someone can't access Character gen to make an add-on like modders did for the solo games. I'm sure something is stored server side so we can't apply changes from the client to existing characters. I'm tired of waiting for this

MornaBaine · January 2015

Kesstryl wrote: »

Too bad someone can't access Character gen to make an add-on like modders did for the solo games. I'm sure something is stored server side so we can't apply changes from the client to existing characters. I'm tired of waiting for this

You'll never see mods like that in an MMO I'm pretty sure. I just don't think the know-how is there yet to do this in a way that doesn't open up the game itself to hacks in a major way.

But I certainly agree that it's past time for them to not only figure out how they can let us return to character generation to change the looks (and yes, sex and name) of existing characters without also letting us change race or class. And when they do they really need to ALSO implement a LOT of new hairstyles and makeup/scars/tattoos as well.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO · January 2015

MornaBaine wrote: »

I have an awfully hard time believing that the facial animations of NPCs were MORE IMPORTANT than enabling PLAYERS to be HAPPY WITH THEIR CHARACTERS! That is some seriously screwed up prioritizing right there ZoS. FIX IT.

I'm perfectly happy with all my 17 characters, so in-game enhancements are far more important than this issue for me. NOTHING TO FIX.

MornaBaine · January 2015

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

I have an awfully hard time believing that the facial animations of NPCs were MORE IMPORTANT than enabling PLAYERS to be HAPPY WITH THEIR CHARACTERS! That is some seriously screwed up prioritizing right there ZoS. FIX IT.

I'm perfectly happy with all my 17 characters, so in-game enhancements are far more important than this issue for me. NOTHING TO FIX.

That you can have multiple accounts and 17 characters and be happy with the incredibly limited choices we have for customization, let alone our now lifeless, dead-eyed expressions, speaks to a lack of imagination that fortunately most of us are not cursed with. That ZOS has broken other, bigger things that actually impact gameplay does not make this issue unimportant.

TheShadowScout · January 2015

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

The problem with making the appearance change on Eyevea is not everyone has access to it. Not everyone does the mages guild quest and it is a level 43 quest. Yes it can be done at a lower level (level 26 on my Altmer Sorc) but not everyone wants to go there.

While barbers should be available for everyday appereance changes in every major city, I for one would have no problem at all with any non-everyday appereance redesign requiring completion of the mages guild questline and gaining access to Eyevera. Or a thieves guild questline. Or its own questline for that matter. If you want something enough...

As for "earning"... I would assume they are thinking about something like the dye system. Barbershop, with all the "basic" options available for everyone, but more "optional" hairstyles, makeups, tatoos, adornments being unlockable through gameplay. That one I would have no problem with, provided the "basic" range incluedes all from chargen, and any optional earnings are "bonus".

AlexDougherty · January 2015

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

I have an awfully hard time believing that the facial animations of NPCs were MORE IMPORTANT than enabling PLAYERS to be HAPPY WITH THEIR CHARACTERS! That is some seriously screwed up prioritizing right there ZoS. FIX IT.

I'm perfectly happy with all my 17 characters, so in-game enhancements are far more important than this issue for me. NOTHING TO FIX.

Whoa, you are paying for three subscriptions.

Korah_Eaglecry · January 2015

markgd88nrb18_ESO wrote: »

As nice a feature as that would be, think there are just a few* more important things to address before this is implemented. Maybe way down the line, but don't hold your breath.

*This word means "metric s**t tonne" in my language

What do those things have to do with throwing out ideas for the Devs to look into at some point?

ashlee17 · January 2015

Yes please

Heruthema · January 2015

Just add the existing creation engine to the character selection screen. It is not something they need to reprogram or design. Quit trying to make it creative. Spend that time fixing the current issues.

MornaBaine · January 2015

Heruthema wrote: »

Just add the existing creation engine to the character selection screen. It is not something they need to reprogram or design. Quit trying to make it creative. Spend that time fixing the current issues.

This may be the most insightful post on this issue I've seen yet. Because every time someone brings it up someone else, rather rightly, brings up that there are "more important" issues for ZoS to address. So yeah, let ZoS get on those issues. And instead of devoting time and resources to this issue or, worse, MAKING US CONTINUE TO WAIT until they can "get around" to creating some ridiculous and artificial "RP" (not!) system to implement it.... LET'S JUST USE WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE. It would require minimal resources to open up the char gen screen again for existing characters and simply cut off access to race and class changes while leaving EVERYTHING ELSE open to player manipulation. Just DO IT ZOS! PLEASE.

Ouranos · January 2015

Divad Zarn wrote: »

Well, topics about appearance change coming since game release, but seems like its too hard technology for ZOS to create place for face/hair/body changes, as well as housing and staff like that, reason why people love Elder Scroll series, but well seems like other things are more important then that, probably they will give us interesting staff, after year, when online will be ~1000 players, at weekends.

Housing is an entirely different beast than adding an option to get back into the character editor with limited options for, say, a barber. There's custom phasing for it, you have to figure out the tech to let it work so other players can visit, you have to have meaningful gameplay behind it, tons of items to decorate it, script those items to be useful/interactable, have upgrades and customization, figure out how it will interact with the world around it, possibly script quests, make sure it works correctly in groups and with pets... It's a lot of work that's probably going to be in a major patch or an expansion.

Rev Rielle · January 2015

MornaBaine wrote: »

Gyudan wrote: »

The Future of ESO Panel at Quakecon
There's a question about it (1:27:45) answered by Paul Sage
They've been working on different customization options and the way it's going to be introduced matters a lot. He personally wants a RP mechanic where people earn these options (but this could change).
TL:DR "It's coming, it's just a matter of how and when."

And that non-answer is no longer good enough and needs to be updated. As a roleplayer I find it kind of insulting actually. RP mechanic and I have to "earn" the right to a new haircut? Um...not much is RP about that. That this guy would say we have to have some sort of RP around something like this when we still can't sit on chairs and benches in this game is just a bit ridiculous. Like every other new MMO I've seen, a ton was promised to the RP crowd and precious little is ever delivered.

*chuckles* Paul Sage is the master of 'non-answers' it seems.

Additionally, he throws the term 'RP' around quite a bit at times, but after listening to a lot of what he's said in relation to it I'm not convinced he has a solid grasp of what it core values are in an MMO setting. Which is disappointing, given his position. I'm with you @MornaBaine, there's always a lot of talk, but development talk is very much like political talk these days: cheap.

MornaBaine · January 2015

Rev Rielle wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Gyudan wrote: »

The Future of ESO Panel at Quakecon
There's a question about it (1:27:45) answered by Paul Sage
They've been working on different customization options and the way it's going to be introduced matters a lot. He personally wants a RP mechanic where people earn these options (but this could change).
TL:DR "It's coming, it's just a matter of how and when."

And that non-answer is no longer good enough and needs to be updated. As a roleplayer I find it kind of insulting actually. RP mechanic and I have to "earn" the right to a new haircut? Um...not much is RP about that. That this guy would say we have to have some sort of RP around something like this when we still can't sit on chairs and benches in this game is just a bit ridiculous. Like every other new MMO I've seen, a ton was promised to the RP crowd and precious little is ever delivered.

*chuckles* Paul Sage is the master of 'non-answers' it seems.

Additionally, he throws the term 'RP' around quite a bit at times, but after listening to a lot of what he's said in relation to it I'm not convinced he has a solid grasp of what it core values are in an MMO setting. Which is disappointing, given his position. I'm with you @MornaBaine, there's always a lot of talk, but development talk is very much like political talk these days: cheap.

I actually made a thread at one point explaining that I was pretty sure Sage does not actually know what roleplay is. lol A forum mod helpfully removed his name from the title.