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Is Shadow Cloak ever going to be addressed?
GrimMauKin
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I have a single character, a VR10 Nightblade, which I've built up around stealth capabilities.
Shadow Cloak worked reasonably well in the beginning but has become progressively more and more broken and bugged as time has gone on. At present it's dreadful and using it has degraded to just pushing the skills button and hoping.
In the past Zenimax have commented on fixing it, but like a multitude of other issues they don't seem able to repair they now seem to be just ignoring it and keeping silent.
Is Shadow Cloak ever going to be fixed?
Shadow Cloak worked reasonably well in the beginning but has become progressively more and more broken and bugged as time has gone on. At present it's dreadful and using it has degraded to just pushing the skills button and hoping.
In the past Zenimax have commented on fixing it, but like a multitude of other issues they don't seem able to repair they now seem to be just ignoring it and keeping silent.
Is Shadow Cloak ever going to be fixed?
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Darthryan✭✭✭They don't know how to fix it. I've been using mist form from vampire skills. It works resonably well compared to cloak.0 -
PBpsy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Hopefully it will be replaced by an actually useful skill. I would love a fast teleport skill.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLOMdddg11A
That is what NB actually needs.Edited by PBpsy on November 12, 2014 10:34AMESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)3 -
Jacques Berge✭✭✭✭They can fix it my not having it be broken by anything"Shadow hide you"
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VileIntent✭✭✭✭?? How is it broken? I use it all the time and don't have a single issue with it.
is it because you use it and you get popped right back out in combat?
That is due to taking damage, it removes you from invis. aoe spells can take you right back out.
is it the dot over time issue again where your dots are removing it?
It's understandable to have an issue, just be specific.2 -
Louis✭✭✭Hopefully it will be replaced by an actually useful skill. I would love a fast teleport skill.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLOMdddg11A
That is what NB actually needs.
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VileIntent✭✭✭✭Jacques Berge wrote: »Some dots and all charges
Dots that you apply to a Target? That's a bug, report it.
dots on you and your using crit cloak, that's normal. taking any damage will break it. if your using the purge cloak, that's a bug report it.
charges should not work as they can't see you. but latency can play a factor here, if he charges right as you cloak it will depend on who's action hits the server first.
another way is if the charge hits an ally and has a small aoe to it, it could be clipping you and your taking damage removing it.
having a healthy magicka pool and casting it a time or two quickly in scary situations can help you out.
hope this info helps.Edited by VileIntent on November 12, 2014 11:21AM0 -
Nacario✭✭✭it takes me out after 0.5 sec when a dungeon mob(s) is chasing me during boss encounters, im not taking dmg nor have a dot on me.0 -
VileIntent✭✭✭✭nacario1989neb18_ESO wrote: »it takes me out after 0.5 sec when a dungeon mob(s) is chasing me during boss encounters, im not taking dmg nor have a dot on me.
If they are chasing you they are attacking you, your getting hit. pve is a bit more frustrating and i have had that issue like you as well. they put in a fix to keep Nightblade tanks from permanently causing bosses from being stun locked by searching for you while invis. but I don't think it was meant to work the same on normal mobs.
wanted to add pve mobs have no latency either. so dodge roll then cloak to make sure you have some small distance from them so a last sec hit doesn't count as you cloak.Edited by VileIntent on November 12, 2014 11:45AM0 -
GrimMauKin✭✭✭✭I have a number of issues, including it not working at all at times (particularly around Dolments). I do get popped straight back into combat regularly but if you're in a big group on MOBS it's not always clear what caused this.
I'm certainly aware from experience that I can't cloak whilst bleeding or whilst taking any form of damage (such as being in an area damage zone such as flame/frost or an atronach's aura - flame/electricity etc.) but I'm still having instances of cloaking not cancelling attacks (which I believe it should do) and those attacks landing, causing damage and breaking the cloak.
At other times it just seems plain erratic, failing to cloak in a particular situation but then doing so later in similar circumstances.I am one of The Great Mediocracy, those whose role in life is to provide the baseline by which The Few deem themselves Great.1 -
VileIntent✭✭✭✭GrimMauKin wrote: »but I'm still having instances of cloaking not cancelling attacks (which I believe it should do) and those attacks landing, causing damage and breaking the cloak.
This is a bug imho. for example if you were to cast snipe once the shot is airborne then you cloak it breaks the cloak because it is applying the crit to the next damaging attack which it shouldn't do. This was suppose to have been fixed with the DoT issue from the caster. IE If i casted Cripple on a target then cloaked the next dot tick would get a crit of 100% and it would work but it would break the cloak.Edited by VileIntent on November 12, 2014 12:35PM0 -
GrimMauKin✭✭✭✭I did start a thread a while back (without much interest) trying to find out what actually should break Shadow Cloak (so I could work out if what was going on for me were bugs).
As above, I've never been able to successfully cloak whilst bleeding or on fire (damage over time) or in some sort of damage field (cold, fire, storm atronach's electrical discharge) and I've always assumed that this was by design (I assume that any DOT is meant to break the cloak). What other situations should Shadow Cloak fail under?Edited by GrimMauKin on November 12, 2014 1:58PMI am one of The Great Mediocracy, those whose role in life is to provide the baseline by which The Few deem themselves Great.0 -
ThisOnePosts✭✭✭✭✭Basically, it has been fixed in every patch LOL ... or at least there was dialogue about it being fixed. When one thing is fixed about it something new breaks it. In good time... in good time. For now, don't take risks in the game that you don't want to which are based around cloak being successful. Be prepared for all combat scenarios and you will be fine until they do fix it once and for all: ETA after the Dwemer return..............j/k hopefully
Edited by ThisOnePosts on November 12, 2014 3:10PM0 -
GrimMauKin✭✭✭✭I've lost all faith in Zenimax fixing just about anything - I genuinely believe that they've gotten to the point where nobody actually knows how the code works anymore and therefore how to fix anything; each successive patch or update just makes everything more unfathomable whilst breaking even more stuff. They seem to have reached the point now where even their patching system is bugged.
Maybe it's time to move over to Dragon Age Inquisition.Edited by GrimMauKin on November 12, 2014 3:54PMI am one of The Great Mediocracy, those whose role in life is to provide the baseline by which The Few deem themselves Great.1 -
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✭Cloak changes every patch. Projectiles are tracking all the way to you even while cloaked sometimes now, sometimes (thus the problem) they take you out of cloak.Killed by Sunshine 1vX How I see it.
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pmn100b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭From what I can tell, cloak will break the 1st projectile on route to you, but if a 2nd projectile is also on route, it will break cloak. If you spam cloak a couple of times, often it won't break, as it seems to be cancelling both projectiles. If there are 3 enemies chasing you, spamming cloak a few times seems to stop it breaking. If there are a bunch of people firing at you, forget it.
So I don't know if this is working as intended. I would have thought that just hitting cloak once should cancel all projectiles, not just one. A Sorc doesn't have to spam Bolt Escape depending on how many people are casting at him. But dots and AoE will still break cloak and I assume that is WAI.0 -
Valymer✭✭✭✭✭pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »A Sorc doesn't have to spam Bolt Escape depending on how many people are casting at him.
Actually we do, and I will often Streak far away (3-4 times) only to get hit by the massive impact of several spells at once due to what I assume is lag. Sometimes my character even teleports from the Streak after I rez.
I strongly feel that half of the problems with cloak are created by lag and the other half probably something awry with the way it parses projectiles or damage that hit at the exact moment cloak is activated.
One of those may be able to be fixed but unfortunately lag seems here to stay.0 -
Kypho✭✭✭✭Hopefully it will be replaced by an actually useful skill. I would love a fast teleport skill.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLOMdddg11A
That is what NB actually needs.
he spammed Ambush
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Kypho✭✭✭✭Funniest decloak and failmechanism of zos, is when someone shield charging you after you activated cloak...
You press cloak, you get cloaked, you cant move, your cloak fails, and charge hit.... such a BS from fail combat mechanism. ppl decloak you, and stoping you from moving from far. I want a dialogue to the charge animation like this:
the charger: "stop right there, and dont cloak"
NB: "ohh sorry, i decloak and i dont move, hit me pls."Edited by Kypho on November 17, 2014 1:53PM1 -
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✭pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »From what I can tell, cloak will break the 1st projectile on route to you, but if a 2nd projectile is also on route, it will break cloak. If you spam cloak a couple of times, often it won't break, as it seems to be cancelling both projectiles. If there are 3 enemies chasing you, spamming cloak a few times seems to stop it breaking. If there are a bunch of people firing at you, forget it.
So I don't know if this is working as intended. I would have thought that just hitting cloak once should cancel all projectiles, not just one. A Sorc doesn't have to spam Bolt Escape depending on how many people are casting at him. But dots and AoE will still break cloak and I assume that is WAI.
They had fixed this pre 1.5. Once you press cloak there is supposed to be a 100% miss chance. Cloak feels exactly like it did before the fix minus the dots breaking it.Edited by TheBull on November 17, 2014 2:01PMKilled by Sunshine 1vX How I see it.
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Mountain_Dewed✭✭✭I just send /bug every time I get exploited, especially by Sorcs. I have to admit that it is way better than it used to be so they have done work on it. It doesn't happen much but I don't understand when/why another NB spams a skill that will break cloak, I mean really?1 -
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✭Funniest decloak and failmechanism of zos, is when someone shield charging you after you activated cloak...
You press cloak, you get cloaked, you cant move, your cloak fails, and charge hit.... such a BS from fail combat mechanism. ppl decloak you, and stoping you from moving from far. I want a dialogue to the charge animation like this:
the charger: "stop right there, and dont cloak"
NB: "ohh sorry, i decloak and i dont move, hit me pls."
..And that's just it: the knowledge of this fact is so prevalent in PvP that a large number of players now spam charge attacks when they realise they're fighting a NB... knowing this will break cloak.
The 7 months of broken has grown beyond tiring... and there's no fix in sight.Edited by Grim13 on November 17, 2014 9:15PM3 -
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✭✭Hopefully it will be replaced by an actually useful skill. I would love a fast teleport skill.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLOMdddg11A
That is what NB actually needs.
The first skill I had with my nightblade was a charge attack, you jump up, go shadowy, and reappear at the enemey. Isn't that basically a teleport ability, short range, but still essentially a teleport.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
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✭Jacques Berge wrote: »They can fix it my not having it be broken by anything
I totally agree here, I press my button, I spend my Magicka and Shadow Cloak activates, it should just work, if I am taking damage... then I take the damage, Shadow Cloak should not break, for those 2.5 to 2.9 secs I should be untouchable, hell if I am in a AOE it shouldn't break either, I should just take the damage. No where in the tool tip does it say that the Invisibility will break to damage, No where. So then nothing should break my Cloak, when a Sorc casts Bolt Escape and he has the Magicka to do so..does his BE stop working if he takes damage ??, No...even if he takes damage while being chased or a DOT is on him.. if a Dragonknight casts Dragonblood and has the Magicka to do so, does it stop working when he takes damage or has a DOT on him ?? Nope..
So there you go, it should be unbreakable, if that sounds OP well tough, DK's are plenty OP with Dragonblood, Sorc's can Nightcrawler out with Bolt Escape, Templar's can heal over and over.
If I spend my Magicka and cast Shadow Cloak or it's Morph's..point blank, then my Cloak should work.. full stop.
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QuadroTony✭✭✭✭✭yes this skill is very broken
idk ZOs, why you just dont make the same Shadow Cloak skill as
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/class/demon-hunter/active/smoke-screen
- avoid EVERTHING while invisible
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✭✭✭Hopefully it will be replaced by an actually useful skill. I would love a fast teleport skill.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLOMdddg11A
That is what NB actually needs.
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✭Hopefully it will be replaced by an actually useful skill. I would love a fast teleport skill.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLOMdddg11A
That is what NB actually needs.
he spammed Ambush
That is how I imagine my NB should be. Alas...0
