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Game performance and weapon swap
Ad.Absurdum
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i was doing a dolmen alone (sorcerer) and wanted to summon my tank-pet. for that i had to swap weapon. pressed the key to swap but due to bad game performance nothing happend. i did not see that and instead of summoning my pet, i activated streak, so i charged into the enemies... and died.
i am wondering if zos actually does not realize the real bad combination of forced weapon swap due to too few abilities on the action bar and the poor performance of the game. seriously, this is taking quite some fun from the game. the problem is even worse in pvp where lag is the normal condition during a larger battle.
since i assume that fixing the game performance is not as simple, they could just give more abilities in the action bar. i don't care about their design decisions if they are not able to deliver a proper performing game.
i am wondering if zos actually does not realize the real bad combination of forced weapon swap due to too few abilities on the action bar and the poor performance of the game. seriously, this is taking quite some fun from the game. the problem is even worse in pvp where lag is the normal condition during a larger battle.
since i assume that fixing the game performance is not as simple, they could just give more abilities in the action bar. i don't care about their design decisions if they are not able to deliver a proper performing game.
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Valymer✭✭✭✭✭ZoS has said that they have plans to make weapon swapping work like block (cancel all animations and respond instantly). Whether or not that will happen before the apocalypse is open for debate.Edited by Valymer on November 15, 2014 1:21PM3
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k9mouse✭✭✭✭✭
✭I do not want 50 or even 10 skills on my action bars (Stupid WoW clones ruin the way people think). 5+1 is fine for the two action bars that we have. Swap just needs to be tweak. I too playing a sorc and have to change weapons a lot. I love the design, just need some tweaking to work better.Edited by k9mouse on November 15, 2014 1:39PM7 -
whsprwind✭✭✭I personally really like the 5+1 design myself.. they only need to make swapping more reliable and it would be ideal.NA(PC) - EP
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Moonshadow66✭✭✭✭✭
✭It's not only that weapon swap doesn't work properly, sometimes there are visual glitches, like last night when I wanted to swap from Dual Wield to Bow, the daggers were still visible but drawn like a bow, and vice versa after swapping again. I didn't even think of trying to fight like this (I swapped in a corner while in stealth, no combat).
But even if it would work, it's really annoying, since my NB is the only character I play mostly in 3rd person to see what I'm doing (I did an armor and weapon respec before I continued to play with her after several months, so I have to check out what everything does etc).Venus Ocean - Breton Sorceress VR16, EP, Tamriel Hero | Gixia - Breton Sorceress VR16, EP, Tamriel Hero
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Yusuf✭✭✭✭✭ZoS has said that they have plans to make weapon swapping work like block (cancel all animations and respond instantly). Whether or not that will happen before the apocalypse is open for debate.
It happened in patch 1.3 and weaponswap was a charm... ever after that, things just got worse and worse again. Now my screen frequently shows me the system-message "You can't swap weapons now"Edited by Yusuf on November 15, 2014 5:42PM6 -
jeevin✭✭✭✭✭Weapon swapping and general game responsiveness have always been in issue since beta. Sometimes it feels better and sometimes it gets worse, but never can you rely on it. At this stage of development, seven+ months after release, do you really think they can and will fix it?5 -
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80% of my deaths are due to lags related to weapon swapping. Reading your post was to me like someone telling me about how they saw snow for the first time. :-)Ad.Absurdum wrote: »i was doing a dolmen alone (sorcerer) and wanted to summon my tank-pet. for that i had to swap weapon. pressed the key to swap but due to bad game performance nothing happend. i did not see that and instead of summoning my pet, i activated streak, so i charged into the enemies... and died.
i am wondering if zos actually does not realize the real bad combination of forced weapon swap due to too few abilities on the action bar and the poor performance of the game. seriously, this is taking quite some fun from the game. the problem is even worse in pvp where lag is the normal condition during a larger battle.
since i assume that fixing the game performance is not as simple, they could just give more abilities in the action bar. i don't care about their design decisions if they are not able to deliver a proper performing game.
But yes, this needs to be addressed.
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Gorthax✭✭✭✭✭
✭My game locks up on weapon swap..........never happeneded before 1.5.4 also @ZOS_JessicaFolsom please PLEASE fix the BROKE volatile familiar......he does ZERO damage......Edited by Gorthax on November 16, 2014 3:14PM2 -
Xjcon✭✭✭✭✭My game locks up on weapon swap..........never happeneded before 1.5.4 also @ZOS_JessicaFolsom please PLEASE fix the BROKE volatile familiar......he does ZERO damage......
I get this some times. It freezes for a split second the longer on the next swap and even longer for the swap after that. I can only fix it by logging out then back in. I did however notice that after I changed Combat Statistics to stop tracking info after 1 line it doesn't do it as often. Not sure if it was related.Briza Do'urdenx V16 Dunmer DK
Jcon V16 Orc DK
Vierna Do'urdenx V16 Bosmer NB
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global_gbb16_ESO✭✭✭My game locks up on weapon swap..........never happeneded before 1.5.4 also @ZOS_JessicaFolsom please PLEASE fix the BROKE volatile familiar......he does ZERO damage......
I get this some times. It freezes for a split second the longer on the next swap and even longer for the swap after that. I can only fix it by logging out then back in. I did however notice that after I changed Combat Statistics to stop tracking info after 1 line it doesn't do it as often. Not sure if it was related.
I was using Wykkds Outfitter, disabled the add on and everything is sweet again. Not sure if you are using it or I have not come across the problem again out of sheer coincidence.
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timidobserver✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I've gotten this bug. I think it is some kind of a memory leak some how in weapon swap. Sometimes weapon swapping will start to freeze up your game client and eventually it will completely crash.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
V16 Derelict Vagabond EP Stamina DK
V16 Redacted Ep Stam Sorc
V16 Insolent EP Magicka Sorc(retired)
V16 Jed I Nyte EP Stamina NB(retired)1 -
AssaultLemming✭✭✭✭I have to agree with the op, failure to weapon swap is my number one reason for death. It's ridiculous, I die more to their bad design than I ever do to mobs abilities or anything else. Most annoying on my nb when I end up burning death stroke instead of veil, that's basically a wipe if it happens at the wrong time. Of all the things I wish they would fix this is number one.Edited by AssaultLemming on November 17, 2014 12:35AM1
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Lord_Kreegan✭✭✭✭✭They don't use multi-threading and the consequences of that are bad performance.
Suggestion: set your middle-mouse button up as the control for weapon swap. Mouse processing appears to be handled at a higher priority than the keyboard. I get fairly reliable weapon swapping with the middle mouse button.1 -
Valymer✭✭✭✭✭Lord_Kreegan wrote: »They don't use multi-threading and the consequences of that are bad performance.
Suggestion: set your middle-mouse button up as the control for weapon swap. Mouse processing appears to be handled at a higher priority than the keyboard. I get fairly reliable weapon swapping with the middle mouse button.
I have mine bound to one of my mouse buttons as well, but I can't say whether it is better than the keyboard or not. It is still what I would consider horribly unresponsive compared to things like block or roll-dodge, though. I shudder to think of it being any worse.0 -
Leeric✭✭✭✭It happens to me every time I play, I often see the "cannot switch weapons at this time" message when I'm just sitting their getting pummeled. It got better there for awhile(multiple patches ago) but it seems to reverted to being pretty awful again. I also still walk like I have a turd in my pants when I switch staffs. Which was suppose to be "fixed" patches ago. Im not sure ZOS knows the definition of the word "fixed" lol.....0 -
ZOS_GinaBrunoCommunity ManagerThere is an ongoing issue currently where weapon swapping will cause some lag. We've figured out what's causing this, and are working on fixing it as fast as we can.Gina Bruno
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Gorthax✭✭✭✭✭
✭Needles to say, I am impressed (no sarcasm). Now how about that volatile familiar not doing damage when exploding since PTS.....and still in live currently....0 -
Mountain_Dewed✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »There is an ongoing issue currently where weapon swapping will cause some lag. We've figured out what's causing this, and are working on fixing it as fast as we can.
Can players use this for an advantage in PvP? I wouldn't normally ask this but I've learned first hand how many sorry players are out there that would do this if possible, it's a crying shame I tell ya...
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Lord_Kreegan✭✭✭✭✭I'm guessing that the lag is due to the need for our clients to send a message back to the server that our avatar has changed weapons, so that the server can then send messages to other players in the vicinity so that they can display and be aware of the weapon swap, and our client has to wait for an ACK from the server before we can then continue to play.
There are better ways of handling this if that is the case...0 -
ZOS_GinaBrunoCommunity Manager
No, this shouldn't be the case as the lag only affects you. Granted, we know that's a big deal for you, but there shouldn't be a case where a group of people all weapon swap together to cause lag for someone else (as an example).Mountain_Dewed wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »There is an ongoing issue currently where weapon swapping will cause some lag. We've figured out what's causing this, and are working on fixing it as fast as we can.
Can players use this for an advantage in PvP? I wouldn't normally ask this but I've learned first hand how many sorry players are out there that would do this if possible, it's a crying shame I tell ya...Gina Bruno
Principal Creator Engagement Manager
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✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »There is an ongoing issue currently where weapon swapping will cause some lag. We've figured out what's causing this, and are working on fixing it as fast as we can.
If you know about it, then why isn't it on the known issues list?0 -
Lord_Kreegan✭✭✭✭✭onlinegamer1 wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »There is an ongoing issue currently where weapon swapping will cause some lag. We've figured out what's causing this, and are working on fixing it as fast as we can.
If you know about it, then why isn't it on the known issues list?
Uh, realistically, if they listed everything they know is a shortcoming in the game, the known issues list would require its own website.2 -
demonlkojipub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Lord_Kreegan wrote: »onlinegamer1 wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »There is an ongoing issue currently where weapon swapping will cause some lag. We've figured out what's causing this, and are working on fixing it as fast as we can.
If you know about it, then why isn't it on the known issues list?
Uh, realistically, if they listed everything they know is a shortcoming in the game, the known issues list would require its own website.
They should make a new website then.1 -
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This would solve it, should also not be to hard to implement.ZoS has said that they have plans to make weapon swapping work like block (cancel all animations and respond instantly). Whether or not that will happen before the apocalypse is open for debate.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0
