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Shroud of the Lich set for the connoisseur
Beesting
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I know i am behind the curve, that is the downside of having a full time job, but i recently made V14 and decided i really wanted a Shroud of the Lich set and see if it would work with my v12 warlock set. (neck, blue and purple v12 ring, trousers and boots)
It does work and it does combine, and both effects work after each other.
my stats with the v12 necromancer set:
It was hard to find the set (found it by grinding dolmens, guildstores and zone chat )
I improved the robe, gloves and shoulders, and you can see the crown and staff:
The effect fires with a nice sound and gives high 210 magica regen for 20 secs:
Edit i dont know how i got the regen to 210, i am only able to get it to 203 now
I have seen a V10 crown and robe in guildstore in rawlk'ha EU if someone is still looking for one. I will try it out some more in battle, but thought it might be interesting to make a post about it.
Edit: i upgraded the armor but not the glyphs to legendary, and i got some helpfull advice on spellcrit in the responses below. The reason the spillcrit was low is that the staff of dylora has the charged trait. I normally use the resto/destro combination and have precise trait on my main attack weapon, the lich staff is just the secondary weapon to trigger the effect ..
If you scroll down, i posted the new pictures with optimised value's (spell crit 69 %)
Edited by Beesting on November 15, 2014 10:40AM It does work and it does combine, and both effects work after each other.
my stats with the v12 necromancer set:
It was hard to find the set (found it by grinding dolmens, guildstores and zone chat )
I improved the robe, gloves and shoulders, and you can see the crown and staff:
The effect fires with a nice sound and gives high 210 magica regen for 20 secs:
Edit i dont know how i got the regen to 210, i am only able to get it to 203 now
I have seen a V10 crown and robe in guildstore in rawlk'ha EU if someone is still looking for one. I will try it out some more in battle, but thought it might be interesting to make a post about it.
Edit: i upgraded the armor but not the glyphs to legendary, and i got some helpfull advice on spellcrit in the responses below. The reason the spillcrit was low is that the staff of dylora has the charged trait. I normally use the resto/destro combination and have precise trait on my main attack weapon, the lich staff is just the secondary weapon to trigger the effect ..
If you scroll down, i posted the new pictures with optimised value's (spell crit 69 %)
Beesting, Bosmer Magica DK, AD EU, crafter
Slager, Dunmer Magica DK, DC EU, pvp
Farmer, Dunmer Magica DK, AD EU, trials build
Every major patch looks like the end of the world but somehow i just cannot stop playing.
Slager, Dunmer Magica DK, DC EU, pvp
Farmer, Dunmer Magica DK, AD EU, trials build
Every major patch looks like the end of the world but somehow i just cannot stop playing.
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dharbert✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yeah, that will come in handy when you have to keep dropping heals on yourself with that 19 Health Recovery....4 -
Beesting✭✭✭✭LoL i do not even think about that anymore, last time i checked i had 8 health recovery, so i forgot it even exists haha. Luckily my GDB fixes that for me.Beesting, Bosmer Magica DK, AD EU, crafter
Slager, Dunmer Magica DK, DC EU, pvp
Farmer, Dunmer Magica DK, AD EU, trials build
Every major patch looks like the end of the world but somehow i just cannot stop playing.0 -
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✭Vamp health recovery FTL!Been here since Feb 2014 - You'd think I'd be half reasonable at this game by now...1 -
Beesting✭✭✭✭
I could make a new screenprint with inner light toggled and a crit potion downed, but that was not the aim of the post. It is just about the regen, so people can see the numbers and decide if it is worth getting. Mind you i can always swap it for another set in seconds, like for trials, but for healing this might be pretty good.Gold for you I guess. Your spell crit is extremely low though.
Beesting, Bosmer Magica DK, AD EU, crafter
Slager, Dunmer Magica DK, DC EU, pvp
Farmer, Dunmer Magica DK, AD EU, trials build
Every major patch looks like the end of the world but somehow i just cannot stop playing.0 -
guybrushtb16_ESO✭✭✭✭The lich set still is pretty awful IMO. If you're serious about regeneration, you'll probably softcap it anyway and at that point, it really doesn't do that much. It's straight worse magicka gain than warlock and you are probably cutting into your spelldamage and spell crit quite heavily.
Maybe it would be good if you for some reason didn't have a big magicka pool and wanted regen anyway, but I couldn't for the life of me think why anyone would actually want something like that, much less so on light armor.Edited by guybrushtb16_ESO on November 15, 2014 12:20AM0 -
Beesting✭✭✭✭Ok guys, you win....
Beesting, Bosmer Magica DK, AD EU, crafter
Slager, Dunmer Magica DK, DC EU, pvp
Farmer, Dunmer Magica DK, AD EU, trials build
Every major patch looks like the end of the world but somehow i just cannot stop playing.3 -
Gyudan✭✭✭✭✭
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Please don't pop a potion when you take a screenshot.Ok guys, you win...
Also, the glyph on the head piece you linked is far from optimal at the moment.
Here are some screens with only food buffs (no abilities, no potions, no passive skills for extra stats)
Shadow mundus is just an extra.
5*Twice-Born Star + 3*Wise Mage + 3*Healer (for DPS)
5*Twice-Born Star + 5*Healer + 1*Scourge Harvester (for Heals)
Bonus: what VR10+ gear should look like with the proper enchantments (97 magicka instead of your 89)
You're welcome.Edited by Gyudan on November 15, 2014 1:20AMWololo.3 -
Amsel_McKay✭✭✭✭✭Amsel_McKay wrote: »
I'm getting lols but how is 50% not low. 67% is the norm is it not? Sitting at 65.7% is what I thought was required for healers.4 -
itsBishop✭✭✭Amsel_McKay wrote: »Amsel_McKay wrote: »
I'm getting lols but how is 50% not low. 67% is the norm is it not? Sitting at 65.7% is what I thought was required for healers.
Anything above 50% is overkill for healers, I would say. I sit right at 49% with Cyrodiil buffs and have absolutely no problem dropping solo Nova on top phase during Mantikora fight in SO, or solo Novaing poison phase during Serpent. Neither of these situations require extreme crit values - and the same applies to all other PVE endgame content at the moment. If you're speccing hard into crit at the expense of magicka regen or raw output you're doing it wrong, especially in situations where there is more than one templar available to alternate Nova duty.
The only alternative I can think of is in PVP. I'm not well versed on the metas for healers there, but I would assume a similar situation follows. Raw output/sustainability is better than crit past a certain point (which tends to hover around the 50% mark).Purple
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itsBishop✭✭✭Double post.Edited by itsBishop on November 15, 2014 1:52AMPurple
World Record SO - 27m 38s
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Amsel_McKay✭✭✭✭✭Amsel_McKay wrote: »Amsel_McKay wrote: »
I'm getting lols but how is 50% not low. 67% is the norm is it not? Sitting at 65.7% is what I thought was required for healers.
Anything above 50% is overkill for healers, I would say. I sit right at 49% with Cyrodiil buffs and have absolutely no problem dropping solo Nova on top phase during Mantikora fight in SO, or solo Novaing poison phase during Serpent. Neither of these situations require extreme crit values - and the same applies to all other PVE endgame content at the moment. If you're speccing hard into crit at the expense of magicka regen or raw output you're doing it wrong, especially in situations where there is more than one templar available to alternate Nova duty.
The only alternative I can think of is in PVP. I'm not well versed on the metas for healers there, but I would assume a similar situation follows. Raw output/sustainability is better than crit past a certain point (which tends to hover around the 50% mark).
I crit heal with jabbing so I can heal myself when tanking on all but boss mobs. The mage DOT seems to crit a lot as well so when soloing I can drop that and jabb and take down most mobs.
All the heal over times crit sometime 2x to 3x per tick that is the only reason I was told to have a super high crit4 -
Dymence✭✭✭✭✭
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Please don't pop a potion when you take a screenshot.Ok guys, you win...
Also, the glyph on the head piece you linked is far from optimal at the moment.
Here are some screens with only food buffs (no abilities, no potions, no passive skills for extra stats)
Shadow mundus is just an extra.
5*Twice-Born Star + 3*Wise Mage + 3*Healer (for DPS)
5*Twice-Born Star + 5*Healer + 1*Scourge Harvester (for Heals)
Bonus: what VR10+ gear should look like with the proper enchantments (97 magicka instead of your 89)
You're welcome.
So many questions...
Why twice-born star? It's trash.
Why 3 healer instead of soulshine?
Why such low weapon damage on a sorc?
Why...............
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Beesting✭✭✭✭@gyudan
Thank you for the tips, i completely forgot about upgrading the glyphs on the armor, so that is the good thing about posting on the forums
I am by no means a OP player, and standing in fire will still get me killed in 2 secs no matter what gear i am wearing...
Upgraded with legendary glyphs
Changed mundus stone to thief, base regen before set fires (thx for the tips guys!)
Effect after firing, and with spell crit potion, in hard fights i will use potions.
Hope it is interesting to someone, that was the aim of the postBeesting, Bosmer Magica DK, AD EU, crafter
Slager, Dunmer Magica DK, DC EU, pvp
Farmer, Dunmer Magica DK, AD EU, trials build
Every major patch looks like the end of the world but somehow i just cannot stop playing.0 -
GreyBrow✭✭✭✭Why do you think you need so much magicka regen? I can tell you're a newfriend so i'll give you an example situation to think about:
100k health monster, you either:
A. Do 400 DPS but have infinity mana, and the fight lasts 250 seconds
B. Do 1.2k DPS and don't have infinity mana, and the fight lasts 83 seconds
Basically... More damage = shorter fights = less magicka needed.
You're literally making the game three times harder on yourself than it needs to be, and wasting three times as much time playing it as you need to.
Stop posting screenies after you take a potion. Those buffs only last 1/3rd of the time anyway.
IMO the only practical application for your build is for traveling long distances in cyrodiil or for farming nirncrux or plants.
Really don't mean to sound like an ******, sorry if it sounds like that.
Edited by GreyBrow on November 15, 2014 1:39PM2 -
Gyudan✭✭✭✭✭
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So many questions...
Why twice-born star? It's trash.
Why 3 healer instead of soulshine?
Why such low weapon damage on a sorc?
Why...............
- Try TBS for real and you'll re-think that.
- 3 Healer is more versatile than Soulshine, just my personal preference. I never liked green VR10 stuff
- Jewelry enchanted with magicka cost reduction, so no extra weapon damage apart from Critical Surge. I chose sustained damage rather than burst and I personally don't like sorcerers who spam spell symmetry all the time in trials, dungeons and Arena.Wololo.1 -
Beesting✭✭✭✭@GreyBrow
I see why people don't often share their setups, people burn you down anyway...I wont share any more probably.
I have been playing since early access and can craft any 8 trait set, but just wanted to share this one because it is a bit more rare. But when i see a 100k health monster i'll think of you
Beesting, Bosmer Magica DK, AD EU, crafter
Slager, Dunmer Magica DK, DC EU, pvp
Farmer, Dunmer Magica DK, AD EU, trials build
Every major patch looks like the end of the world but somehow i just cannot stop playing.2 -
Dymence✭✭✭✭✭
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So many questions...
Why twice-born star? It's trash.
Why 3 healer instead of soulshine?
Why such low weapon damage on a sorc?
Why...............
- Try TBS for real and you'll re-think that.
- 3 Healer is more versatile than Soulshine, just my personal preference. I never liked green VR10 stuff
- Jewelry enchanted with magicka cost reduction, so no extra weapon damage apart from Critical Surge. I chose sustained damage rather than burst and I personally don't like sorcerers who spam spell symmetry all the time in trials, dungeons and Arena.
You can have sustained damage even with just spell symmetry, you don't need to spam it at all. You just need to cast it every now and then in combination with a pot and you're fine. It will be sustained damage and higher than with the spell cost reduction.1 -
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I think it's great that you did share it. Reading about builds and how other players analyse them is one of my favorite non-gaming ESO activities.@GreyBrow
I see why people don't often share their setups, people burn you down anyway...I wont share any more probably.
I have been playing since early access and can craft any 8 trait set, but just wanted to share this one because it is a bit more rare. But when i see a 100k health monster i'll think of you
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Usara✭✭✭✭@Beesting
I have done no math to back what I'm going to say, because I'm lazy. And because the results look kind of obvious to me. From a healer perspective, over capped magicka regen is a total waste compared to... well, almost to anything else.
Okay, let's agree on comparing a 5P bonus then.
Seducer > Shroud. There you go.
And Seducer is far from being the only efficient set for a healer, there are so many of them... just, not this one
Just.... to be sure, you know... I mean no offense... but you do realise the resto staff gives back 245 magicka with a heavy attack ? Healers aren't required to spam heals from the begining to the end of a fight. That leaves plenty of time to regen with the staff.
If you have a DD role, well... what GreyBrow said.
When you're going public with a setup, you have to accept criticism, it can be constructive. It's not meant to pull you down.
@Dymence
I'm curious, honestly. Why Soulshine on a sorc ? 4% spell crit ? Wrath of the Imperium set gives 10%. For the spell damage ? You said it yourself, weapon damage is a sorc best friend (btw, you don't need WDmg enchants, Surge brings us over the cap). When Wrath of the Imperium was v12, I could get it. But now, I really can't
@Gyudan
Curious about you too
About TBS specifically. I assume you go all Divines on your gear... so... 7.5% increased Mundus effects. On at least 5 pieces of armor. Let's assume 7. So, an increase of 7x7.5%=52.5% on Mundus effect.
For the Thief stone... it gives us a 5x1.525=7.625% crit chance.
Aether gives 8%... with just 3 pieces.
So, how can it be better ? I can't test it myself, and honestly, because I don't want to. Because it's too much of a bother to go and grab the second boon everytime I change gear. I do it all the time
But even though I'm not interrested, I'm curious Edited by Usara on November 17, 2014 3:12AMWhat? Lead? Me? No, no, no. No leading. Bad things happen when I lead. We get lost, people die, and the next thing you know I’m stranded somewhere without any pants.Usara v531 - Usara2 v322 - Escouade Sauvage - PC - EU - EP
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Dymence✭✭✭✭✭
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I'm curious, honestly. Why Soulshine on a sorc ? 4% spell crit ? Wrath of the Imperium set gives 10%. For the spell damage ? You said it yourself, weapon damage is a sorc best friend (btw, you don't need WDmg enchants, Surge brings us over the cap). When Wrath of the Imperium was v12, I could get it. But now, I really can't
@Usara
Wrath of the imperium is worse. Yes, it gives 10%, but you don't have a precise trait on the flame staff. Soulshine combined with precise on a flame staff gives 11% crit. The frost staff has a precise trait, which is still worse because you can't get the heavy attack crit bonus from the flame staff passive.
Also, weapon damage on jewelry still helps even if critical surge already overcaps our weapon damage. Just because it overcaps doesn't mean you can't further overcap it.Edited by Dymence on November 17, 2014 4:07AM0 -
Usara✭✭✭✭@Dymence
I honestly don't know how to answer without sounding condescending, so I won't But at least, I understand why you - and lots of sorcs I guess - go Soulshine, and that's all I wanted to know.
Thanks.Edited by Usara on November 17, 2014 7:06AMWhat? Lead? Me? No, no, no. No leading. Bad things happen when I lead. We get lost, people die, and the next thing you know I’m stranded somewhere without any pants.Usara v531 - Usara2 v322 - Escouade Sauvage - PC - EU - EP
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Livia Augustus - Deserter of the Imperial 7th Legion (Imperial DK, tank)
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Caris Vael - Missing Student of the Mage Guild of Shornhelm (Breton NB, dd magicka, vampire)
Eugene Fitzherbert - Wanted con artist hiding in Wayrest (Imperial Templar, tank/dd magicka)
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I see why people don't often share their setups, people burn you down anyway...I wont share any more probably.
I have been playing since early access and can craft any 8 trait set, but just wanted to share this one because it is a bit more rare. But when i see a 100k health monster i'll think of you
People criticize poor setups, use their advice to improve. The solution isn't to bury your head in the sand and weigh down your group in game..-First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
Exploits suck. Don't blame just the game, blame the players abusing them!
-Playing since July 2013, back when we had a killspam channel in Cyrodiil and the lands of Tamriel were roamed by dinosaurs.
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Beesting✭✭✭✭@Attorneyatlawl
I am very happy with the advice, eso is my first mmo and i am still learning a lot about spell crit and dps etc.
I just thought that because i can craft any 8 trait gear and the shroud of the lich set is pretty damn rare, some people farmed 1000 dolmens for 3 weeks to get it, that it would be interesting to make a post about it.
At least i have a nice set now to wear when i go flowerpicking and solo questing, and i made over 5 million in sales while hunting for this set, like i share in my other post about the master trader achievement, so all is not lost
Beesting, Bosmer Magica DK, AD EU, crafter
Slager, Dunmer Magica DK, DC EU, pvp
Farmer, Dunmer Magica DK, AD EU, trials build
Every major patch looks like the end of the world but somehow i just cannot stop playing.1 -
Nihil✭✭✭@Attorneyatlawl
I am very happy with the advice, eso is my first mmo and i am still learning a lot about spell crit and dps etc.
I just thought that because i can craft any 8 trait gear and the shroud of the lich set is pretty damn rare, some people farmed 1000 dolmens for 3 weeks to get it, that it would be interesting to make a post about it.
At least i have a nice set now to wear when i go flowerpicking and solo questing, and i made over 5 million in sales while hunting for this set, like i share in my other post about the master trader achievement, so all is not lost
One thing to keep in mind too, with the champion system coming out different builds will arise. Having that set could end up being very beneficial come future changes ( although expect the numbers to be modified). What people are using now might not be the most optimal later on, no one can predict how each piece of gear will end up changing come champion system.0 -
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✭✭✭Well, sounds like you're on the right track, @beesting, in trying to learn (and racking up some great cash while you're at it). Cheers. -First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
Exploits suck. Don't blame just the game, blame the players abusing them!
-Playing since July 2013, back when we had a killspam channel in Cyrodiil and the lands of Tamriel were roamed by dinosaurs.
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