where the truth?

Exstazik · November 2014

do not want to breed demagogy and go straight to the point.
All players pay for the game and have equal rights to it. But in light of recent events it is not.

1) Undaunted progressions.
Why do players that have already implemented achievements not received exp for Undaunted guild?. Either remove undaunted gaining experience for those who did not complete challenges or reward those who have already passed thow it.

2) spellkrafting and mage guild book
With the introduction of spellcraft the lvl of mage's guild also will be increased . based on experience such situation will be as it now with undaunted .As for me ?who already collected all the books of the Mages Guild it's once again proves the lack of equal opportunities for the players.

3) On guild summit ZOS said:

"Using caught fish in provisioning recipes that require fish?

Yes! New provisioning recipes which use fish in cooking will utilize fish that you catch using Fishing!"

So i already done all fishing achievements.And with such politic i think i also will not received any reward for this.

4)achievements(PvA)/PvE/PvP
Why PvP and PvE helps to gain armour/weapon/Gold and achievements not?
Dyes is not fair reward

Just imagine play "PvP only for rangs" or something like that.

I know If I do not agree with the policy , I can go away

But with this attitude only "hamsters" will play.And every new update ZOS will hear:"Nerf this it's to hard to me to push more than 1 button".

5)"Class respec"
When champion system will be introduced a lot of skills/passives will be change.My personal Request to give to all players 1 free class respec to account.

P.S.I really love TESO and very thankful to ZOS for their hard job.
Also thanks for introducing my offers for fishing/collectiables/exp gaining (which i already can see in game).
But if ZOS will continue to go in such direction of loyalty a lot of good players just out the game and as i already said :"only "hamsters" will play."

dharbert · November 2014

Here lately, Zenimax has been like a duck. They wake up in a new world every day. They have no clue what's going on and no one is at the helm.

Hortator Mopa · November 2014

I have a thread about this as well. Check mine out and leave a comment. Ask the Devs to explain... because atm they are just sitting with their heads in the sand.

Louis · November 2014

dharbert wrote: »

Here lately, Zenimax has been like a duck. They wake up in a new world every day. They have no clue what's going on and no one is at the helm.

but sometimes zos becomes a swan the next day its a duck probably next patch they are a goose

Nazon_Katts · November 2014

Out There!

khele23eb17_ESO · November 2014

Louis wrote: »

dharbert wrote: »

Here lately, Zenimax has been like a duck. They wake up in a new world every day. They have no clue what's going on and no one is at the helm.

but sometimes zos becomes a swan the next day its a duck probably next patch they are a goose

Ive always felt ZOS is pretty reliably this every patch:

Exstazik · November 2014

future spellcrafting patch
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nerevarine1138 · November 2014

1. The dead horse would like you to stop beating it.
2. I'm not sure I understand, but are you complaining that the Mages Guild max level will be raised after you hunted down all the extra lorebooks? If so, can we assume that you've now killed that horse before people start complaining when that patch comes?
3. Now this one straight-up makes no sense. If you already have the fishing achievements, the introduction of fish-based provisioning recipes will not affect you in the least.
4. What? Are you asking for achievements to grant you even more rewards? The whole point of achievements is that they're glitz. They aren't intended to offer game-changing rewards for the players that complete them.
5. I think it's fairly safe to assume that the Champion System will come with a full respec option.

k9mouse · November 2014

A 1 free respec will be cool with the Champoin System, but do NOT forced one! I do not want to spend next 3 hours putting back my skills after that system goes life.

hutchinsonhatch · November 2014

Exstazik wrote: »

do not want to breed demagogy and go straight to the point.
All players pay for the game and have equal rights to it. But in light of recent events it is not.

1) Undaunted progressions.
Why do players that have already implemented achievements not received exp for Undaunted guild?. Either remove undaunted gaining experience for those who did not complete challenges or reward those who have already passed thow it.

2) spellkrafting and mage guild book
With the introduction of spellcraft the lvl of mage's guild also will be increased . based on experience such situation will be as it now with undaunted .As for me ?who already collected all the books of the Mages Guild it's once again proves the lack of equal opportunities for the players.

3) On guild summit ZOS said:

"Using caught fish in provisioning recipes that require fish?

Yes! New provisioning recipes which use fish in cooking will utilize fish that you catch using Fishing!"

So i already done all fishing achievements.And with such politic i think i also will not received any reward for this.

4)achievements(PvA)/PvE/PvP
Why PvP and PvE helps to gain armour/weapon/Gold and achievements not?
Dyes is not fair reward Just imagine play "PvP only for rangs" or something like that.

I know If I do not agree with the policy , I can go away But with this attitude only "hamsters" will play.And every new update ZOS will hear:"Nerf this it's to hard to me to push more than 1 button".

5)"Class respec"
When champion system will be introduced a lot of skills/passives will be change.My personal Request to give to all players 1 free class respec to account.

P.S.I really love TESO and very thankful to ZOS for their hard job.
Also thanks for introducing my offers for fishing/collectiables/exp gaining (which i already can see in game).
But if ZOS will continue to go in such direction of loyalty a lot of good players just out the game and as i already said :"only "hamsters" will play."

At first, I thought I'd like to state my opinion on points 2,4 and 5, but I think I'd rather not state my opinion, but give you a piece of advice: Don't focus too much on rewards, as if they were a kind of return of investment.

It's a game that we play and enjoy. If something changes, adopt to it and enjoy the different path. Don't look back in anger, that's not fun.

Sneak_Thief · November 2014

Exstazik wrote: »

3) On guild summit ZOS said:

"Using caught fish in provisioning recipes that require fish?

Yes! New provisioning recipes which use fish in cooking will utilize fish that you catch using Fishing!"

So i already done all fishing achievements.And with such politic i think i also will not received any reward for this.

There is a reward, its called an earned title. There IS already recipes that require fish that are in the games code, BUT not implemented as of now, but maybe in the near future?

Post these codes and see for yourself:

|H1:item:44566:05:55:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1:1:0:0:0|h|h
|H1:item:44556:05:55:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1:1:0:0:0|h|h

^ just copy and it will paste correctly in game.

Gulvar · November 2014

As someone who loves achievements, I wouldn't want them to be over-incentivized. They're a fun way to challenge myself in games which have populations increasingly showing aversion towards any form challenge.

The hunt is the fun. Knowing that 99.999% of players will never get them all and I'm one of them. How close can I get though? Seeing how close I can get while knowing I'll never get them all is a challenge I thoroughly enjoy.

I wouldn't mind seeing more interesting ESO achievements and some fluff rewards but they don't need combat gear or gold rewards in my opinion.

Exstazik · November 2014

I don't want to get rewards for achievements which will give me +XX dmg/crit/health and etc. ZOS should rewarded all equally.
-Why people who already done some rewarded things do not get it while people who skip/or just started doing such things should be rewarded?

Or soon we will see threads : "I have not played "x" time .... ZOS give me what top players grind for several months."
Or this one

As the rewards for achievement i want to see 2 things:
- new costumes/mounts/pets/exterior texture for armor (weapon)
- and the second one was sent to support ~2 months ago:"The greater achievements players have-the more "future" functionality of house system they get"

P.S.
Sneak_Thief , ZOS should get some recipes to people who already get some achievements in "fishing".Because i can't keep so much fish in bank/twink for future.

nerevarine1138 then ZOS should give us separation for PvE/PvP sets.
Let's explain:
-PvE rewarded us with gold/sets/skill points
-PvP rewarded us with sets/skill points/
-PvA rewarded us with skill points/dyes
PvA=maximum from both PvE and PvP.And some of the challenges in PvA not rewarded...so question:"Why not to intoduce some reward?"Because things which i can get from PvE and PvP affects the strength of my character and PvA not.So PvA on 90% is useless.

nerevarine1138 · November 2014

Badly drawn and poorly written comics aside...

I can only assume "PvA" means "Player vs. Achievement", which isn't actually a category of gameplay. Achievements are all tied to separate in-game systems; so when you fulfill the requirements of achievements, you've already gotten benefits from using those systems.

Achievement rewards are fluff because that's what they ought to be.

AlexDougherty · November 2014

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Badly drawn and poorly written comics aside...

I can only assume "PvA" means "Player vs. Achievement", which isn't actually a category of gameplay. Achievements are all tied to separate in-game systems; so when you fulfill the requirements of achievements, you've already gotten benefits from using those systems.

Achievement rewards are fluff because that's what they ought to be.

Agreed, achievements need to be fluff, if they offer real rewards then they become obligatory, and obligatory means extra grinding.

Grinding is not fun, in fact if it's fun it's not grinding. I played through each of the factions, levels one to fifty, I enjoyed itore it wasn't grinding.