Are templars the only true healers?

cesmode
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Hi,
Im still leveling..but curious. Are templars the only true healing class in the game? Are there mostly only templars healing in groups or are other classes fully capable?
  • Jitterbug
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    all classes are fully capable, each have their strengths and weaknesses
  • Aeratus
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    It really depends on the difficulty of the content you're playing.

    But for the most difficult content, Templar is the only viable healer.
  • cesmode
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    so you see an equal amount of, say sorcerer healers or even dk/nb?

    What about tanks? Do DK tanks run rampant?
  • Thechemicals
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    Yes they are the only true healers because they are the only class that can inherently heal. Other classes can muster up some amazing healing combos like Night Blade using siphoning+resto and a Sorc healer has some neat builds too but we are the big time healers. Nothing in the resto tree can drop big heals like the Templars healing tree. Especially a templar healing within his own cleansing ritual. Lastly, every class trying to heal has to get to purge from the alliance tree to be effective anywhere near a templar.
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  • cesmode
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    So if at endgame I decide to go healy with my templar...Ill be dime a dozen?
  • Cuyler
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    Jitterbug wrote: »
    all classes are fully capable, each have their strengths and weaknesses

    Yes true, but a Templar is the only class with "smart burst heals" that target a player at any position.

    Any class using a resto staff will only have AoE heals and it's difficult to get everyone to stack for that when avoiding boss mechanics. You could argue "rapid regeneration" or "mutagen" as a smart heal but those aren't burst heals so that's a bust. Don't get me wrong a resto staff can do it but it is much less consistent.

    This only really applies to raids and vet dungeons. All the other content can be healed with the resto staff.
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  • driosketch
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    Templars seem to be preferred, but they don't have the best resource management. Because of that, there is a NB healer build that works, and at one point was even preferred over templars.

    Sorcerer with restro staff and strong magicka management should also do pretty well, as might a hybrid DK also providing support spells, though of course not a pure healer.
    Edited by driosketch on November 14, 2014 3:07PM
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  • Cuyler
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    cesmode wrote: »
    So if at endgame I decide to go healy with my templar...Ill be dime a dozen?

    I'd say most endgame healers are Templar so that may be so but a raid needs at least 2-3 healers so there is plenty of grouping opportunity.
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  • cesmode
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    How are templars as tanks then?

    Trying to figure out what I want to do when I reach max level...I don't like to play classes or builds that everyone else is playing. I like to be a little unique and take the path less traveled.
  • Cuyler
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    cesmode wrote: »
    How are templars as tanks then?

    Trying to figure out what I want to do when I reach max level...I don't like to play classes or builds that everyone else is playing. I like to be a little unique and take the path less traveled.

    Same as before it can be done, but will more than likely be sidelined if a DK tank is available. Tanks in general are very few and far between atm so you wouldn't have trouble finding pugs.

    A consistent weekly raid group will more than likely look for DKs as Tanks and Templars as healers...unless they need a couple pugs.
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  • xarguideb17_ESO
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    The hipster path.
    Well, you can go templar dps then. :smiley:
    As tanks, templars are very decent.
  • bosmern_ESO
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    Before I respecced I was a NB healer, almost never ran out of resources so i could spam heals which turned out to be fairly decent.
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  • driosketch
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    Yes, next to DKs, Temps are apparently among the best classes to tank.

    Personally, I run a hybrid on my main templar. In group dungeons I go full healer, but pve alone, I need my second bar for actual attacks. If you're looking for something a bit different, I also run a bowplar build on another character, mainly in PvP, bow + 2h for close combat. It's fun, though not an uncommon build either. There is unfortunately not a whole lot to do for a DPS temp build, and those don't have high demand in trials.
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  • cesmode
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    While leveling, did you guys level up the weapon youre using for endgame? Ive been running 2h and staff...but at endgame ill either go tank or healer and my 1h+shield is definitely not leveled very far.
  • Murmeltier
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    Templars can do something that other Healers cant do, they can burst heal up to 28m (Dont say the Staff-Bubble can do the same ;) ). And with their passive Skills they get more Critical and Healpower, if you stay in their 12m Circles of Purify Light, for an Example.

    Their best Spell is Breath of Life, if Zenimax ever goes to change this Spell, you will see how "good" other Classes can heal in the City of Ash, or Darkshadecavern (VR12*) at the last Boss for Example, where you cant always bubble up for the Healing Spring.

    Are other Healers bad, no they arent but they havent the Tools a Templer have. For some Situations it is ok and for some it isnt.

    My Build is a Healer/Tank, it works very nice. I am not so good as a DK because i havent any good CCs. But as a Bosstank, i can hold longer and better without a pure Tankequip, than other Tanks does.

    In this Times, where i go as a Tank, i see the "other" Healer try to save the Group in Veterandungeons. The Hitpoints jumps down if a Boss hits the whole Group and they are not on one Spot, to use Healing Spring.

    This Healers try to use "Bubbles", Healingspring but the Hitpoints goes down and down and often i heal the whole Group as a Tank up. This Thing i can do as a Templertank, thats their Strength too.

    The best Thing at the End of a hard Run, some of this not Templar-Healers, say that they are saved the whole Group, they think they have done this on their owns. It is very sad, if you tank and heal the whole Group and see that at the End.

    I can do this because i have very specialized Equip for Spellcost Reduction, so i can heal for a Long Time. Without the right Set and a Restorationstaff/VR 5 Potions and best Food i would fast go oom. But with that, i can stay a long Time in Heal. It is a matter of Equip and Status Balance.

    As a Templar i have no really good CCs, and if i want to have single Target Damage i need to go into the Destructionstaff Skillline. Sure they have some nice PvE Dps Spells, like Puncturing Sweep or Blazin Spear but they are more for single Player PvE, to make Quests not for Dungeon Bosses.

    So, no the Templars are not the ONLY true Healers, they have only the best Tools for this Job. Maybe there are some nice "other" Healer that can heal a whole GOOD Group up, if they stand at the right Places. But they never ever can do this if the Situation goes hot and chaotic, if the Group runs around like a headless Chicken.

    For the End, i talk here over the hard hittin Situations and Veteran Dungeons / Trials. Before that, every Healer can do this Job, thats no Problem.
    Edited by Murmeltier on November 14, 2014 3:52PM
  • xarguideb17_ESO
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    I started this game with 2H templar. I put on heavy armor and just swinged that big ass sword - the best look in the game. But not so effective, not at least until the last changes with 1.5.2. Stamina builds were buffed again, they're probably still not on par with magicka builds, but...
    I'm putting full medium, bow and 2h on my dk tank tomorrow for fun and see what's gonna happen in Cyradiil! Full weapon damage build.
    Sorry for a bit of off topic.

    In any case, if you don't care about mainstream then use whatever you like! I suggest you level up all weapons and armor skill lines to get the best idea what you really like.
  • TehMagnus
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    in most content other classes can heal as well. For End Game content, templar healer or GTFO
  • Murmeltier
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    I started this game with 2H templar. I put on heavy armor and just swinged that big ass sword - the best look in the game. But not so effective, not at least until the last changes with 1.5.2. Stamina builds were buffed again, they're probably still not on par with magicka builds, but...
    I'm putting full medium, bow and 2h on my dk tank tomorrow for fun and see what's gonna happen in Cyradiil! Full weapon damage build.
    Sorry for a bit of off topic.

    In any case, if you don't care about mainstream then use whatever you like! I suggest you level up all weapons and armor skill lines to get the best idea what you really like.

    He asked nothing about this Mainstreamthing, he asked if the Templars are the only true Healers in Game. I explained some Mechanics and for sure, for Fun i would Play a big 2H too.

    But i choose the Class with the best healing Mechanic for pure Healing because i want to be a Healer in Game.
  • xarguideb17_ESO
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    Murmeltier wrote: »
    I started this game with 2H templar. I put on heavy armor and just swinged that big ass sword - the best look in the game. But not so effective, not at least until the last changes with 1.5.2. Stamina builds were buffed again, they're probably still not on par with magicka builds, but...
    I'm putting full medium, bow and 2h on my dk tank tomorrow for fun and see what's gonna happen in Cyradiil! Full weapon damage build.
    Sorry for a bit of off topic.

    In any case, if you don't care about mainstream then use whatever you like! I suggest you level up all weapons and armor skill lines to get the best idea what you really like.

    He asked nothing about this Mainstreamthing, he asked if the Templars are the only true Healers in Game. I explained some Mechanics and for sure, for Fun i would Play a big 2H too.

    But i choose the Class with the best healing Mechanic for pure Healing because i want to be a Healer in Game.

    Eh, relax! He asked about weapons, too.
  • Murmeltier
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    Cuyler wrote: »
    Jitterbug wrote: »
    all classes are fully capable, each have their strengths and weaknesses

    Yes true, but a Templar is the only class with "smart burst heals" that target a player at any position.

    Any class using a resto staff will only have AoE heals and it's difficult to get everyone to stack for that when avoiding boss mechanics. You could argue "rapid regeneration" or "mutagen" as a smart heal but those aren't burst heals so that's a bust. Don't get me wrong a resto staff can do it but it is much less consistent.

    This only really applies to raids and vet dungeons. All the other content can be healed with the resto staff.

    That hits the Point, right.
  • Murmeltier
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    Murmeltier wrote: »
    I started this game with 2H templar. I put on heavy armor and just swinged that big ass sword - the best look in the game. But not so effective, not at least until the last changes with 1.5.2. Stamina builds were buffed again, they're probably still not on par with magicka builds, but...
    I'm putting full medium, bow and 2h on my dk tank tomorrow for fun and see what's gonna happen in Cyradiil! Full weapon damage build.
    Sorry for a bit of off topic.

    In any case, if you don't care about mainstream then use whatever you like! I suggest you level up all weapons and armor skill lines to get the best idea what you really like.

    He asked nothing about this Mainstreamthing, he asked if the Templars are the only true Healers in Game. I explained some Mechanics and for sure, for Fun i would Play a big 2H too.

    But i choose the Class with the best healing Mechanic for pure Healing because i want to be a Healer in Game.

    Eh, relax! He asked about weapons, too.

    My totally relaxed Answer is, yes you are right :) . I was to focused on the Main Question, excuse me please.
    Edited by Murmeltier on November 14, 2014 3:58PM
  • MadFlower
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    in most content other classes can heal as well. For End Game content, templar healer or GTFO

    That sucks.. I found that out way too late when i was about vr 14.... Now I have a sorcerer healer that can't do ***, leveling weapons at higher levels are harder so pretty much I have to grind, remake my character or unsub... Pretty unfair that doesn't feel elderscrollish when you're so limited to what your class can do.
  • cesmode
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    I must say it is disheartening to hear that if you are going into endgame, you are cornered into one class per role for group content. Thats not very ES like, more mmo like but I guess thats that.

  • Murmeltier
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    cesmode wrote: »
    I must say it is disheartening to hear that if you are going into endgame, you are cornered into one class per role for group content. Thats not very ES like, more mmo like but I guess thats that.

    Yes thats right, maybe they change something about that in the Future. TESO is "new"on the Market.
    Edited by Murmeltier on November 14, 2014 4:45PM
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