I mean fair enough it's your right to do so. Just a bit aggravated from the last two days so I thought I'd throw my .02 out in the world.

Yeah they do I agree with that assessment, however a good portion of them rerolled. Not all of them but a good number. I don't think I know it all, I don't lead groups, I jump in whatever group will have me usually. But I think I know enough to say things have changed since last campaign. And it's not just the three letter acronym guild leaving. Honestly I was impressed by the Elmo's today, they coordinated enough to cap three of our keeps at once against a pop locked faction. Albeit we were all at glade. My point is their is no reason we can't have that type of coordination. We have the organized guilds, and I think most of them have the skill. Hell I would say three of our guilds have better skills than that one former AD guild.

I was there lol I was running with moonlight. I usually run with moonlight during the day and then venatus, but well you know about the second one I'm sure. That's the kind of coordination we need atm. I know things have been tried before, what with a cyrodill organization guild (cyrodill symbiosis I believe it was) and what not, but it obviously isn't working. It seems this campaign is a lot less organized.

Rylana wrote: »

You should have seen the day a couple weeks ago when we dethroned the 60 day emperor of chillrend in 12 minutes using six coordinated guilds all hitting each imp keep simultaneously.

it was rather glorious.

Trying not to be salty, but the dethrone was meh just because all the keeps were undefended, MAYBE minus a few rando pvers. All you guys really had to do was 50/50 6 keeps then say " GO! " in zone. But still props! *clap*

NM were waiting at Chal and pushed everyone out of the walled breach, started to repair. Guild A, B and C continued the wall siege to flood in the courtyard. Guild D rammed the front door.

After taking the keep, instead of celebration there was a heated argument with some disgusting sexist comments, over something terribly stupid.

Ghostbane wrote: »

NM were waiting at Chal and pushed everyone out of the walled breach, started to repair. Guild A, B and C continued the wall siege to flood in the courtyard. Guild D rammed the front door.

After taking the keep, instead of celebration there was a heated argument with some disgusting sexist comments, over something terribly stupid.

Guild D was also the first one the flags, I should point that out.

The whole reason the drama started is because a member of guild A tried to tell guild D what to do, and guild D actually was the first to successfully breach (since all of blue was focused on that wall breach, the front door was unguarded, was a very good strategic move actually)

While I dont condone most of the things said on either side, if guild A hadnt basically tried to tell guild D what to do, the drama wouldnt have started at all. Thats what i was pointing out. AD has far too much of that, people that think they have the right to tell other groups what to do.

Ok well now I'm starting to get the feeling I know who a couple of these letters indicate lol so let's just agree that it was fun dethroning the emp, their were several good strategies used, and that some negativity occurred. But that the negative comments were stupid and childish, and we need to move past it as a faction so we can make sure a certain faction "Elmo's", don't win. I want to win, I think we can, however I would rather not have them win if we have to loose.

Rylana wrote: »

While I dont condone most of the things said on either side, if guild A hadnt basically tried to tell guild D what to do, the drama wouldnt have started at all. Thats what i was pointing out. AD has far too much of that, people that think they have the right to tell other groups what to do.

I agree with you. Egos rule this game, and it cripples AD when it comes to unison. Whether its down to the same people consistently, or just randomly when all of AD get together ( in whatever numbers )

"Listen to what I speak of, because..."

1) I was here first
2) I've played longer
3) My staff is longer than yours
4) I've watched movies with the military in it
5) I can eat 7 pineapples at the same time
6) because my guild is awesomer than your less-than-awesome guild
7) my horse has warpaint

Same [snip], different day. Folks need to get over themselves and embrace teamwork when push comes to shove. After a major target is achieved, don't female-dog about who did what, talk together about how it can be done better, faster, stronger, next time.

Ghostbane wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

While I dont condone most of the things said on either side, if guild A hadnt basically tried to tell guild D what to do, the drama wouldnt have started at all. Thats what i was pointing out. AD has far too much of that, people that think they have the right to tell other groups what to do.

I agree with you. Egos rule this game, and it cripples AD when it comes to unison. Whether its down to the same people consistently, or just randomly when all of AD get together ( in whatever numbers )

"Listen to what I speak of, because..."

1) I was here first
2) I've played longer
3) My staff is longer than yours
4) I've watched movies with the military in it
5) I can eat 7 pineapples at the same time
6) because my guild is awesomer than your less-than-awesome guild
7) my horse has warpaint

Same [snip], different day. Folks need to get over themselves and embrace teamwork when push comes to shove. After a major target is achieved, don't female-dog about who did what, talk together about how it can be done better, faster, stronger, next time.

And this is how we get better. By talking, but if their was some down the nose talking it was out of line. But honestly talking over what happened is important to improve and/or fix things. So let's all flipping work together and crush some damn souls! However, let's not crown an emp and get the other four scrolls at the same time, we really pissed some people off doing that lol ok well whatever I'm drunk and tired and have no clue what I'm saying adios amigos

Malveria wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

If you were there you might also remember how that plan almost failed, too.

One guild encountered some moderate resistance and balked, two guilds came to help (the first five keeps all flipped within the first five minutes) at Chalman.

As soon as the assistance arrived, one particular member of the original intended guild started screaming at the other guilds that they were doing it wrong, and to assist on their side.

Another guild front doored chalman in the midst of the chaos and successfully capped the keep while the original guild was still being all angry in zone.

its examples like this that gut the faction, because one person with a nasty ego points fingers at others and tries to order them around when they themselves would have failed without the support of everyone that arrived.

As it stands it pretty much ended the guild cooperation and left a nasty taste in the mouth of everyone, especially those of us in "Pug Force One" that organized the whole thing in the first place. I was appalled that even for something like what we were doing, someone had to go and start BS with someone else because "muh strategies are best"

Wow. You not only claim credit for something that happened almost a month ago, but something you didn't actually organise? Because it wasn't you, anyone from TKO, or 'Pug Force One' that got Venatus into that campaign. I know who got us there. I was the one who sent our guild. You're welcome.

And yeah, I know you're talking about Venatus.

We were given the hardest keep to take without even being asked our opinion. We were told that we had eight minutes to get in and get there, we were the only keep that the emperor came to defend, and we STILL got the outer down in two locations and the inner down. Even with pugs hitting the wrong wall and ignoring the wall we dropped to 51%

But then you came to the keep we were given, and rather than helping, you decided to do your own thing, and then claim credit for it? And then talk *** when we get pissed that you hindered what we had been shunted, and made the best of?

And I don't know what you mean about guild cooperation, dude. No one cooperates with you guys. You just claim credit for everything. You've done it for months. You couldn't PVP your way out of a wet paper bag unless you had a zerg to piggy back off.

You're a sub par guild that only thinks its top *** because you can pretend you did work when the other guilds compensate for your *** tactics. TKO is a *** joke and bks thinks he's the 'most feared general in the game'. And I have a screenshot of that.

And if you're top ***, why aren't you owning the campaign now? Or are you too busy fail farming in Bleakers and telling yourself that you're helping.

Stop. Youre doing exactly what caused the flare up.

Your ego is blinding you. It actually was me, healz and about six other guys that set this all up with the respective guilds and worked it all out in advance, hell I placed half of the camps for you all to port to when the time came.

The reason no one likes you is because you rage constantly at people and talk down to them, even when you are totally in the wrong. I even defended you here saying the comments directed at you were out of line, but here you go blindly attacking before actually thinking about it.

How can people cooperate when youre trying to wave your e-peen in their face?

To make something crystal clear, I was neither with TKO that day, nor was I in their teamspeak. I was actually on the Get of Fenris TS talking to Healz for most of it.

Ghostbane wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Makes me wonder if more cross teamspeak co-op is the right direction. Its been becoming a thing with tko and moonlight via a couple of members, as well as some other things I myself am part of outside of TKO. Get the facades out of the way and just do the voice comms thing and things go real smooth. At that points its just follow whoever is the crown on that given day, without question or ego trip.

HKs TS is open to all, PM me in game for deets some time.

Perhaps I will, though some Seraphim person apparently blacklisted me today for telling them to "chillax" in zone today -.- I remember seeing that person posting the string for that group. So I dunno we shall see.

Oh wait, I remember why. They asked me if I was a "traitor" and i replied off the cuff "yes" back because I play cross faction (but never spy or anything)

So if its one of those groups thats purist about factional alliance, I dont know if id be even allowed, lol.

FluffiestOne wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

You should have seen the day a couple weeks ago when we dethroned the 60 day emperor of chillrend in 12 minutes using six coordinated guilds all hitting each imp keep simultaneously.

it was rather glorious.

Trying not to be salty, but the dethrone was meh just because all the keeps were undefended, MAYBE minus a few rando pvers. All you guys really had to do was 50/50 6 keeps then say " GO! " in zone. But still props! *clap*

oh just be quiet. you people loved steamrolling groups 1/4 of your size, you cant talk:/

Malveria wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Stop. Youre doing exactly what caused the flare up.

Your ego is blinding you. It actually was me, healz and about six other guys that set this all up with the respective guilds and worked it all out in advance, hell I placed half of the camps for you all to port to when the time came.

The reason no one likes you is because you rage constantly at people and talk down to them, even when you are totally in the wrong. I even defended you here saying the comments directed at you were out of line, but here you go blindly attacking before actually thinking about it.

How can people cooperate when youre trying to wave your e-peen in their face?

To make something crystal clear, I was neither with TKO that day, nor was I in their teamspeak. I was actually on the Get of Fenris TS talking to Healz for most of it.

'No one' likes me because I act the same way any other guy does. They just don't like it from a woman. I act no more aggressive than bks, or decado, or any other ***-talking *** in zone. Including you.

But because I'm a woman, no one wants to hear it.

And I'm not blindly attacking. You had no involvement in getting Venatus in that campaign. We were asked there. We went to the keep we were told was ours, and we got screwed by pugs and other guilds. We took the time out of our day and our campaign to come help, and one other guild gave us nothing but *** for it. What do you want? A thank you? Whilst one guild abused me and my guild members in yell?

And if you need me to respond gratefully for you 'defending me' saying the comments were out of line, then you're not actually doing it for anything other than gratitude. It has no bearing on me whatsoever. Either acknowledge they were out of line, or don't.

You can call it 'talking down' all you want, but if me defending my strats, my guild leader's strats (because most of the time I'm typing what Clone was speaking) and my guild in zone, and disagreeing with you, is talking down, then everyone talks down to one another. Including you and me right now.

Why are you making it a sexist issue? Why are you crutching on that as an excuse? "I can be a jerk to people because im a chick and that gives me the right to be a *** because ive seen other jerks with Y chromosomes do the same thing"

What?

I was giving an accurate recount of what actually happened, without naming names though others inferred them, and you come out of nowhere and start cussing me out and blatantly insulting both my PvP skills and that of a guild I am a member of like youre somehow superior. I am sorry you feel that way about TKO, but frankly TKO is one of the strongest guilds in AD, regardless of how much hate it gets. I wouldnt be a member of them if I felt they were poor strategists or bad teammates.

I was well aware your guild encountered the stiffest resistance, thats why we all came to help you, but you seem to have this superiority complex that requires everything you do to be validated and agreed upon by all present lest you attack them personally. Im sorry, your strat was not going to be victorious. TKO called the solution, executed it successfully, and you went ape on them for it instead of congratulating the whole faction on a job well done.

Youre just mad it was someone other than your own pride and ego that called it, frankly, that and whatever previous beef you still hold vs BDG/TKO from when you were a member of that guild. Its been quite a few months since you were part, maybe its time to drop the chip on your shoulder?

There is a difference in disagreeing with someone, and being a total a-hole to someone. I am the former, you are the latter, in almost every circumstance. Youre gonna find real quick that if you try to push people around and play the heavy duty bully with them, that sometimes they push back, I am one of those people.

Hell Ill drop another name out there. Back when Decibel and BDG had their rivalry on Dawnbreaker, the fights and drama were way worse than anything youve cooked up. We get along now pretty well, in fact some members of "undaunted" i am quite cool with.

And yet another reason I left Thornblade. That place is *** toxic.

DC zone chat is pretty calm, I'd say. Not that I'm on all hours of the day.