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1.5.4 GRINDS and VET related Progression. (Would LOVE ZOS response)
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So looking at this issue objectively here:
Many are upset about ZOS pretty much killing all grinds. While grinding should never the best way to level your toon, there should always be an alternative to only doing questing to level your toon.
For those who have 1 or 2 vet toons that have already played through the storyline and all quest twice already, Having the option to grind up your level to avoid the hours and hours of quest should still be an option.
So as of now grinding doesn't exist, which means it more difficult to level multiple vet toons. I am all for playing legitimately and doing all quest and have spent 7 months questing for my main vet toon, and sure as hell have no intent to repeat those same quest over and over.
ZOS should not remove options because they want people to level their way. Remember this game used to be built on play your way? So I say if people want to grind let them grind, if people want to play the same quests 8 times over for all their vet toons, so be it, but let us have options rather than force the same means to the end result.
And the few that I have come across that defend this choice are the same once who have already grinding several vet characters.
ZOS initially stated it should be easier to level your vet toons, but forgot to state that is ONLY if you do quests.
Like I said I am trying to look at this objectively here, and think keeping more than 1 option is a good idea. For those who do not wish to grind, they don't have to. And for those who wish to grind as a means to level their multiple vet toon after finishing all their quest, it too should be an option.
If a grind means to simply repeat something over and over as a means to level, then either way we chose, whether its WBs, Dungeons or Questing we are going to have to repeat one or the other many times, might as well chose what works for us?
Edited by Sneak_Thief on November 13, 2014 10:22PM Many are upset about ZOS pretty much killing all grinds. While grinding should never the best way to level your toon, there should always be an alternative to only doing questing to level your toon.
For those who have 1 or 2 vet toons that have already played through the storyline and all quest twice already, Having the option to grind up your level to avoid the hours and hours of quest should still be an option.
So as of now grinding doesn't exist, which means it more difficult to level multiple vet toons. I am all for playing legitimately and doing all quest and have spent 7 months questing for my main vet toon, and sure as hell have no intent to repeat those same quest over and over.
ZOS should not remove options because they want people to level their way. Remember this game used to be built on play your way? So I say if people want to grind let them grind, if people want to play the same quests 8 times over for all their vet toons, so be it, but let us have options rather than force the same means to the end result.
And the few that I have come across that defend this choice are the same once who have already grinding several vet characters.
ZOS initially stated it should be easier to level your vet toons, but forgot to state that is ONLY if you do quests.
Like I said I am trying to look at this objectively here, and think keeping more than 1 option is a good idea. For those who do not wish to grind, they don't have to. And for those who wish to grind as a means to level their multiple vet toon after finishing all their quest, it too should be an option.
If a grind means to simply repeat something over and over as a means to level, then either way we chose, whether its WBs, Dungeons or Questing we are going to have to repeat one or the other many times, might as well chose what works for us?
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Xjcon✭✭✭✭✭So they don't want us to grind EXP for the last 4 vet levels but they want us to spend hours trying to find people who are on or want to start the same quest in Craglorn.....
Even if we get all the quests done in Craglorn is it enough EXP to get to VR14? I seriously doubt it....Edited by Xjcon on November 13, 2014 10:18PMBriza Do'urdenx V16 Dunmer DK
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Sneak_Thief✭✭✭✭So they don't want us to grind EXP for the last 4 vet levels but they want us to spend hours trying to find people who are on or want to start the same quest in Craglorn.....
Yea and this is the problem, the options for us as high vets are limited, and the quest available to us must be done in groups. If this is the case then we need to be provided a vet 12-14 zone that isn't meant for groups only.
And sure this is an MMO, but damn why is it so difficult to find groups. I agree with you, Im tired of waiting around all day on groups.Edited by Sneak_Thief on November 13, 2014 10:22PM4 -
spryler✭✭✭The Boss XP was dropped, but now regular mobs give better xp. Perhaps this means that the type of grind will change. People will now find spots where there are a few bosses, but also tons of big trash pulls. It still won't make up for the previous boss xp grinds, but in my opinion those gave too much xp anyway. Now I wasn't complaining when I leveled my two chars from V11 to v14 in one day (each), and I won't complain now when they nerfed what was OP.Edited by spryler on November 13, 2014 10:40PM2
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Sneak_Thief✭✭✭✭The Boss XP was dropped, but now regular mobs give better xp. Perhaps this means that the type of grind will change. People will now find spots where there are a few bosses, but also tons of big trash pulls. It still won't make up for the previous boss xp grinds, but in my opinion those gave too much xp anyway. Now I wasn't complaining when I leveled my two chars from V11 to v14 in one day (each), and I won't complete now when they nerfed what was OP.
Perhaps, But I still think given the fact that a Craglorn WB can not be solo'd, the XP should reflect that. Where as other zone WBs can be solod. Since we get reduced XP for lower vets that we kill, veterans really need their own non group 12-14 zone. As our options are limited to groups and for me it has always been a huge pain.
Either way we will have to repeat content in some way or another.Edited by Sneak_Thief on November 13, 2014 10:31PM3 -
Sneak_Thief✭✭✭✭I was one of those people that loved quest content and never agreed with people that fast forward it to level. But I am sure this will cause alot of people to rush and skip through quest, which I think was the opposite of ZOS intent.0
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ferzalrwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Perhaps the new single player zone will have outrageous XP (in the magnitude of 5x the other zones) and that's the big Ace up their sleeve. :P0
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✭✭✭✭✭ZOS initially stated it should be easier to level your vet toons, but forgot to state that is ONLY if you do quests.
This is not even remotely true. Questing is a painfully slow way to level now. Grinding is way faster. Not as fast as it used to be, but way faster than questing.
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Xjcon✭✭✭✭✭Yes the mob xp is decent. But don't point that out too loud....
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✭✭✭✭I don't think that leveling as fast as the Atro, UC, and Scorpion grind allowed was ever intended. The problem is that it took them too long to remove it. So now all of the people that are missing out are annoyed because so many other people were allowed to do it.
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Sneak_Thief✭✭✭✭Dagoth_Rac wrote: »ZOS initially stated it should be easier to level your vet toons, but forgot to state that is ONLY if you do quests.
This is not even remotely true. Questing is a painfully slow way to level now. Grinding is way faster. Not as fast as it used to be, but way faster than questing.
Quoting ZOS DIRECTLY: "We expect this to reduce the amount of time it takes to gain a Veteran Rank." and again here "The plan was for this to reduce the amount of time it would take to gain a Veteran Rank. However, we discovered an issue where you are not currently gaining as much XP as we intended. Fixing this issue is one of our top priorities. We are currently aiming to have this fixed in our next incremental patch, which will allow you to progress though Veteran Ranks at a faster rate than what you’re currently seeing in-game." They are MANY of these exact comments reinforcing the fact that vet progression would be made easier.
SO please point out how I am wrong, and you say grinding is still faster? what grinding groups are you seeing, there are none lol.
So before you say something is "not remotely true" get your facts straight. They specified vet progression in its entirety, as nothing was solo'd out. But they should have said questing only, since as a whole vet progression is now slower.
So I don't know if you simply misunderstood me, and yes questing is painfully slow as a vet yet it was the only thing to receive an xp buff in addition to standard mobs which level no one.Edited by Sneak_Thief on November 13, 2014 11:16PM3 -
Sneak_Thief✭✭✭✭ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »Perhaps the new single player zone will have outrageous XP (in the magnitude of 5x the other zones) and that's the big Ace up their sleeve. :P
Again the problem for higher level vets is we done have our own solo zone, so if you go back to many of the zones are xp is cut if those vets are not within 3 levels of us. Suffice it to say if a vet vet13-14 does not stay in Craglorn, anything they do in other zones will be cut xp.2 -
Sneak_Thief✭✭✭✭Its because of the champion system
It was all simply done in a backwards fashion. Things scale to us in difficulty yet we still take less xp. Also if things are scaling to us in dungeons then shouldn't I be getting higher lv drop. I personally HATE scaling which all Bethesda games do (and now ZOS with some aspects of the game.) Unlike a game like Dragons Dogma, if you walk into a zone you are not prepared for you get your arse handed to you. Likewise you can return to low areas and dominate.
Thats more of a personal RPG preference, so don't let it impact this thread too much.Edited by Sneak_Thief on November 13, 2014 11:28PM2 -
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✭✭The problem never was that people could gain xp for doing grinds. What annoyed so many true MMO & ES fans was the fact that a Grinder could make 14 VR in a couple of hours while someone who did the quests needed weeks or even months.
This is fixed now and I am sorry to say, its working as it should. Grinding should never be superior to questing in an MMO unless its an Asian grinder and this is ESO definitely not.4 -
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✭✭I find it HILARIOUS that people who Grind in groups are now bitching that they might have to find groups for quests! What did you all say when the solo casuals complained about this? "L2P! Groups are easy to find! Yadda Yadda yadda!"Dagoth_Rac wrote: »ZOS initially stated it should be easier to level your vet toons, but forgot to state that is ONLY if you do quests.
This is not even remotely true. Questing is a painfully slow way to level now. Grinding is way faster. Not as fast as it used to be, but way faster than questing.
And nobody ever stopped to think that this speed leveling was precisely why your grind just got nerfed? You aren't supposed to level to end game in 2 days or less...
Edited by SteveCampsOut on November 14, 2014 12:07AM@ֆȶɛʋɛƈǟʍքֆօʊȶ⍟
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✭✭✭✭✭Quest groups aren't all that hard to find in Craglorn, and they'll be even easier to find now that fewer people are grinding.----
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ferzalrwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »Quest groups aren't all that hard to find in Craglorn, and they'll be even easier to find now that fewer people are grinding.
I doubt it since quest XP is awful. Those Craglorn grinders will just move to grinding mobs in Vet zones. Business as usual but in different locations (and less social). Meanwhile for the people that DID like questing... a kick in the XP-groin for you.
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Menelaos✭✭✭✭There are grind spots in the game right now, you just need to look around a bit; and like someone mentioned earlier you have to adapt. Resetting mobs, adds and bosses, (ab)using shady mechanics and the like in order to gain hilarious amounts of XP/VP per hour just seems to be over. But that doesn't say that now it's impossible to grind levels instead of reaching them via questing....und Gallileo dreht sich doch!
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Sneak_Thief✭✭✭✭Like I said I know some of you were going to say its a good thing grinding isn't as OP. Im not agreeing or disagreeing, but simply I have no desire to quest for all my characters. Ive spent 7 months questing on my main to get where I am, I have no desire to spends months upon months for each of my toon's just to have competitive access to end game things.
And please for those who are pompous or self righteous and look down on others for grinding, I'm sure you ALL grinded at some point especially since most of the talkers like that have multiple vet toons via grinding already.
Im looking at this from a practical stand point of those who wish to have multiple vet toon's and have already explored all questing content, and have no desire to repeat it 5+ times. Law of Diminishing Returns.Edited by Sneak_Thief on November 14, 2014 12:55AM1 -
Sneak_Thief✭✭✭✭derpsticks wrote: »Go to Craglorn. Go to Spellscar. Grind mobs. Get a min of 600k xp/hr.
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Robocles✭✭✭✭✭Sneak_Thief wrote: »derpsticks wrote: »Go to Craglorn. Go to Spellscar. Grind mobs. Get a min of 600k xp/hr.
And when did you test said results?
Not in the last 11 days, guaranteed.0 -
Sneak_Thief✭✭✭✭Sneak_Thief wrote: »derpsticks wrote: »Go to Craglorn. Go to Spellscar. Grind mobs. Get a min of 600k xp/hr.
And when did you test said results?
Not in the last 11 days, guaranteed.
People post outdated info, Im at Spellscar this very second, there was no one there then I see two poeple, but I still don't see it racking up 600k.Edited by Sneak_Thief on November 14, 2014 1:17AM0 -
Robocles✭✭✭✭✭Sneak_Thief wrote: »Sneak_Thief wrote: »derpsticks wrote: »Go to Craglorn. Go to Spellscar. Grind mobs. Get a min of 600k xp/hr.
And when did you test said results?
Not in the last 11 days, guaranteed.
People post outdated info, Im at Spellscar this very second, scratch the last part there are 2 people here lol
It's a party!
Edit: If you start getting 600k per hour, I'll bring the keg.Edited by Robocles on November 14, 2014 1:12AM0 -
someuser✭✭✭✭SteveCampsOut wrote: »And nobody ever stopped to think that this speed leveling was precisely why your grind just got nerfed? You aren't supposed to level to end game in 2 days or less...
I agree with people like @Audigy and @SteveCampsOut.
However, I also understand the OP and believe he/she has a valid complaint. Forcing people who already completed zones to repeat all the alliances for EVERY alt is really short-sighted. Only hardcore rpg'ers (and probably those without jobs and/or significant others) have that kind of time.
I would advocate using the same mechanics that the mara pledge uses to give accelerated xp for all those who already completed all the questing areas. This way, once you done it once, one should get an xp boost so that the next toon can level up much faster. This game is just too dang big for its own good
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derpsticks✭✭✭✭I just tested this tonight. I will be there for about 45 more mins tonight. I am DC if you want to group, @derpsticks.
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Sneak_Thief✭✭✭✭@someuser
YEP this is exactly my point. Even I currently unemployed wouldn't even have the time to invest into questing as I have with my main.. would never happen and would be jaded to be forced into repeating time consuming quest.Edited by Sneak_Thief on November 14, 2014 1:25AM0 -
stewie_801✭✭✭Sneak_Thief wrote: »Sneak_Thief wrote: »derpsticks wrote: »Go to Craglorn. Go to Spellscar. Grind mobs. Get a min of 600k xp/hr.
And when did you test said results?
Not in the last 11 days, guaranteed.
People post outdated info, Im at Spellscar this very second, scratch the last part there are 2 people here lol
Don't know about the xp/hr for groups but it still works. I can do it solo or in groups. Level up my abilities easily. Running it solo I was getting 200k/hr or so. And that was skipping a lot of mobs that took too long to kill solo, thus slowing me down. It may be dead now until people realize it's their best chance at leveling quick. Also there are 3 sides to spellscar, a lightning, frost and fire side. So you could have 3 groups going.PC/NA Ebonheart PactInvictus , Teut Spindle Your Brindle OfficerStewie the Destroyer Imperial Templar Former Emperor of Haderus
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Robocles✭✭✭✭✭derpsticks wrote: »I just tested this tonight. I will be there for about 45 more mins tonight. I am DC if you want to group, @derpsticks.
I see. I stand corrected, then. Too bad I don't have a DC toon.
Edit: Well, that's not true... he's level 8, can he come? lol!Edited by Robocles on November 14, 2014 1:26AM0
