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Strongest Race in Tamriel?
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✭Altmer, they live longer, so they are more experienced.VR16 Templar
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✭✭How can the Dwemer be the strongest? If they were, they would still be around. Unless they moved off planet, but that alone would not make them the strongest, just the most technically advanced.
They were the strongest, they weilded strong magic, but their strength possibly turned against them. The Dwemer were all linked mystically (the even used this to communicate over distances), and it seems likely that their experiments with the heart of Lorkan caused them to disappear.
But they were far far strong both technologically and magically than any other race, in fact no-one has come even close even after thousands of years.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
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✭✭WraithAzraiel wrote: »AlexDougherty wrote: »Lorewise Nords, they can use dragonshouts, other than Dragons and Dragonborn, no-one else can.
@Arandear Altmer are strong magically, but not Technologically. They use some technology, same as the other races, but technologywise nobody is that strong. All races get so far, then use magic instead.
Dwemer, before they disappeared, were the only Technologically advanced race. And they were stronger magically than all the other races too. But they are gone, long long gone.
Actually I'm pretty sure any other race could use shouts if they received training. It just so happens the Temple at which the training is received is in Skyrim, hence more common are Nord Thu'umthrowers.
Well, after the Ebon Warroir in Skyrim, I can't say your wrong. But he might be an anomaly that can be ignored.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
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Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
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Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
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diabeticDemon18✭✭✭WraithAzraiel wrote: »AlexDougherty wrote: »Lorewise Nords, they can use dragonshouts, other than Dragons and Dragonborn, no-one else can.
@Arandear Altmer are strong magically, but not Technologically. They use some technology, same as the other races, but technologywise nobody is that strong. All races get so far, then use magic instead.
Dwemer, before they disappeared, were the only Technologically advanced race. And they were stronger magically than all the other races too. But they are gone, long long gone.
Actually I'm pretty sure any other race could use shouts if they received training. It just so happens the Temple at which the training is received is in Skyrim, hence more common are Nord Thu'umthrowers.
Lore says that only the dragonborn, a nord, and dragons can learn the ways of Thu'um. So no, other races could not learn the voice.0 -
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✭AlexDougherty wrote: »How can the Dwemer be the strongest? If they were, they would still be around. Unless they moved off planet, but that alone would not make them the strongest, just the most technically advanced.
They were the strongest, they weilded strong magic, but their strength possibly turned against them. The Dwemer were all linked mystically (the even used this to communicate over distances), and it seems likely that their experiments with the heart of Lorkan caused them to disappear.
But they were far far strong both technologically and magically than any other race, in fact no-one has come even close even after thousands of years.
The Dwemer were unable to assert any strength though. Not only did they not gain any ground or advantage in their battles against the Chimer, but they had to ally themselves with the Chimer just to fend off the Nedic invasion.
They were also unable to stop a falmer rebellion that went on for decades until the Dwemer were absorbed in to the Numidium.
The Dwemer were technologically advanced, sure, but as a race - given the degree of their expansion - they were surprisingly weak politically and militaristically.
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The_Sadist✭✭✭✭✭I'd say the ancient Telvanni members personally, all they do is hoard relics and increase their own power. I suppose that's just a portion of a race though, so it doesn't really count
The Nord / Orsimer are, in my opinion, the most physically strong of all the races while the Altmer / Breton can boast more magical prowess compared with any other race as a whole. I'm a believer that magic > anything else so I'd go with the Altmer.
Edited by The_Sadist on November 13, 2014 9:33PM"Each event is preceded by Prophecy. But without the hero, there is no Event." ― Zurin Arctus, the Underking.Tragrim - How do I work this thing?
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✭The Redguard are physically the strongest.Killed by Sunshine 1vX How I see it.
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AlexDougherty✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭AlexDougherty wrote: »How can the Dwemer be the strongest? If they were, they would still be around. Unless they moved off planet, but that alone would not make them the strongest, just the most technically advanced.
They were the strongest, they weilded strong magic, but their strength possibly turned against them. The Dwemer were all linked mystically (the even used this to communicate over distances), and it seems likely that their experiments with the heart of Lorkan caused them to disappear.
But they were far far strong both technologically and magically than any other race, in fact no-one has come even close even after thousands of years.
The Dwemer were unable to assert any strength though. Not only did they not gain any ground or advantage in their battles against the Chimer, but they had to ally themselves with the Chimer just to fend off the Nedic invasion.
They were also unable to stop a falmer rebellion that went on for decades until the Dwemer were absorbed in to the Numidium.
The Dwemer were technologically advanced, sure, but as a race - given the degree of their expansion - they were surprisingly weak politically and militaristically.
Well yeah, I'll agree with that, the fact they were warring with the Chimer, the Falmer, the Nords (or nedes) and themselves, meant they were spread out too thin to leverage their superiority.
This is especially true about the wars with themselves.
If they had got their act together, then they might have conquered all of Tamriel, maybe even ascended into godhood. Considering the fact they were particularly unpleasant, it's probably for the best they didn't.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
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The_Sadist✭✭✭✭✭The Redguard are physically the strongest.
The Redguard are indeed quite capable as a race, they're mentally and physically resilient and whatnot. I always felt a Nord or an Orsimer could defeat a Redguard in a quick skirmish whereas the Redguard would win if it was long and drawn out.
That being said the Redguards are one of my least favourite races so I haven't really gotten into their lore, so I'm just going on my minimal pool of knowledge.Edited by The_Sadist on November 13, 2014 9:45PM"Each event is preceded by Prophecy. But without the hero, there is no Event." ― Zurin Arctus, the Underking.Tragrim - How do I work this thing?
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diabeticDemon18✭✭✭The_Sadist wrote: »The Redguard are physically the strongest.
The Redguard are indeed quite capable as a race, they're mentally and physically resilient and whatnot. I always felt a Nord or an Orsimer could defeat a Redguard in a quick skirmish whereas the Redguard would win if it was long and drawn out.
That being said Redguard are one of my least favourite race so I haven't really gotten into their lore, so I'm just going on my minimal pool of knowledge.
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✭✭diabeticDemon18 wrote: »WraithAzraiel wrote: »AlexDougherty wrote: »Lorewise Nords, they can use dragonshouts, other than Dragons and Dragonborn, no-one else can.
@Arandear Altmer are strong magically, but not Technologically. They use some technology, same as the other races, but technologywise nobody is that strong. All races get so far, then use magic instead.
Dwemer, before they disappeared, were the only Technologically advanced race. And they were stronger magically than all the other races too. But they are gone, long long gone.
Actually I'm pretty sure any other race could use shouts if they received training. It just so happens the Temple at which the training is received is in Skyrim, hence more common are Nord Thu'umthrowers.
Lore says that only the dragonborn, a nord, and dragons can learn the ways of Thu'um. So no, other races could not learn the voice.
In TES V, you are the Dragonborn no matter what race you are. This alone disproves your theory that only a Nord can use shouts.
Almost forgot, Altmer is the strongest because thats what I play. lol
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✭✭inferneuseb17_ESO wrote: »nobody loves the dark elfs they can melt you, stab you... good magic & fighter skills
Dunmer are strong, but I doubt they are the strongest race, probably a touch weaker than the Nords or the Altmer. Strong enough to be left alone, but not strong enough to conquer everyone.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
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The_Sadist✭✭✭✭✭diabeticDemon18 wrote: »The_Sadist wrote: »The Redguard are physically the strongest.
The Redguard are indeed quite capable as a race, they're mentally and physically resilient and whatnot. I always felt a Nord or an Orsimer could defeat a Redguard in a quick skirmish whereas the Redguard would win if it was long and drawn out.
That being said Redguard are one of my least favourite race so I haven't really gotten into their lore, so I'm just going on my minimal pool of knowledge.
It's because their black isn't it... racist!! ;D
Actually yes and no. I don't play, never played and nor do I plan to play, the Argonian, Khajiit, Orismer, Nord, Imperial or the Redguard races for numerous reasons. In terms of the Redguard I don't like their passives, I'm not a fan of the implied melee playstyle and while aspects of their lore is interesting I don't find it as interesting compared to others. Their skin tone may also play a part.. but I'm currently a yellow Altmer and a grey Dunmer.. so I can't be that racist!
I typically gravitate towards the magically inclined races in any game, so Breton / Altmer / Dunmer and while playing Morrowind I experimented with a Bosmer.
Strength is relative.. I value magical prowess so the Altmer and the Telvanni are up there for me. Other people might value military organisation so that sense Imperial win. Alternatively the Dwemer might be deemed 'strong' if you find technology powerful and paramount for whatever reason.Edited by The_Sadist on November 13, 2014 9:57PM"Each event is preceded by Prophecy. But without the hero, there is no Event." ― Zurin Arctus, the Underking.Tragrim - How do I work this thing?
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✭✭Valen_Byte wrote: »diabeticDemon18 wrote: »WraithAzraiel wrote: »AlexDougherty wrote: »Lorewise Nords, they can use dragonshouts, other than Dragons and Dragonborn, no-one else can.
@Arandear Altmer are strong magically, but not Technologically. They use some technology, same as the other races, but technologywise nobody is that strong. All races get so far, then use magic instead.
Dwemer, before they disappeared, were the only Technologically advanced race. And they were stronger magically than all the other races too. But they are gone, long long gone.
Actually I'm pretty sure any other race could use shouts if they received training. It just so happens the Temple at which the training is received is in Skyrim, hence more common are Nord Thu'umthrowers.
Lore says that only the dragonborn, a nord, and dragons can learn the ways of Thu'um. So no, other races could not learn the voice.
In TES V, you are the Dragonborn no matter what race you are. This alone disproves your theory that only a Nord can use shouts.
Almost forgot, Altmer is the strongest because thats what I play. lol
Read what you are quouting :rolleyes:Lore says that only the dragonborn, a nord, and dragons can learn the ways of Thu'um. So no, other races could not learn the voice.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
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Valen_Byte✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭AlexDougherty wrote: »Valen_Byte wrote: »diabeticDemon18 wrote: »WraithAzraiel wrote: »AlexDougherty wrote: »Lorewise Nords, they can use dragonshouts, other than Dragons and Dragonborn, no-one else can.
@Arandear Altmer are strong magically, but not Technologically. They use some technology, same as the other races, but technologywise nobody is that strong. All races get so far, then use magic instead.
Dwemer, before they disappeared, were the only Technologically advanced race. And they were stronger magically than all the other races too. But they are gone, long long gone.
Actually I'm pretty sure any other race could use shouts if they received training. It just so happens the Temple at which the training is received is in Skyrim, hence more common are Nord Thu'umthrowers.
Lore says that only the dragonborn, a nord, and dragons can learn the ways of Thu'um. So no, other races could not learn the voice.
In TES V, you are the Dragonborn no matter what race you are. This alone disproves your theory that only a Nord can use shouts.
Almost forgot, Altmer is the strongest because thats what I play. lol
Read what you are quouting :rolleyes:Lore says that only the dragonborn, a nord, and dragons can learn the ways of Thu'um. So no, other races could not learn the voice.
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diabeticDemon18✭✭✭Valen_Byte wrote: »diabeticDemon18 wrote: »WraithAzraiel wrote: »AlexDougherty wrote: »Lorewise Nords, they can use dragonshouts, other than Dragons and Dragonborn, no-one else can.
@Arandear Altmer are strong magically, but not Technologically. They use some technology, same as the other races, but technologywise nobody is that strong. All races get so far, then use magic instead.
Dwemer, before they disappeared, were the only Technologically advanced race. And they were stronger magically than all the other races too. But they are gone, long long gone.
Actually I'm pretty sure any other race could use shouts if they received training. It just so happens the Temple at which the training is received is in Skyrim, hence more common are Nord Thu'umthrowers.
Lore says that only the dragonborn, a nord, and dragons can learn the ways of Thu'um. So no, other races could not learn the voice.
In TES V, you are the Dragonborn no matter what race you are. This alone disproves your theory that only a Nord can use shouts.
Almost forgot, Altmer is the strongest because thats what I play. lol
-.- the point is, dragonborns always resides in Skyrim... land of the Nords... and dragonborn was part of the list I stated could learn the voice... dragonborns are the only exception to who can learn the voice... not just any khajiit can waltz in to skyrim and learn the Thu'um. They have to be dragonborn, which is a VERY, VERY rare occurrence, as is strongly stated in TES V.
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diabeticDemon18✭✭✭AlexDougherty wrote: »Valen_Byte wrote: »diabeticDemon18 wrote: »WraithAzraiel wrote: »AlexDougherty wrote: »Lorewise Nords, they can use dragonshouts, other than Dragons and Dragonborn, no-one else can.
@Arandear Altmer are strong magically, but not Technologically. They use some technology, same as the other races, but technologywise nobody is that strong. All races get so far, then use magic instead.
Dwemer, before they disappeared, were the only Technologically advanced race. And they were stronger magically than all the other races too. But they are gone, long long gone.
Actually I'm pretty sure any other race could use shouts if they received training. It just so happens the Temple at which the training is received is in Skyrim, hence more common are Nord Thu'umthrowers.
Lore says that only the dragonborn, a nord, and dragons can learn the ways of Thu'um. So no, other races could not learn the voice.
In TES V, you are the Dragonborn no matter what race you are. This alone disproves your theory that only a Nord can use shouts.
Almost forgot, Altmer is the strongest because thats what I play. lol
Read what you are quouting :rolleyes:Lore says that only the dragonborn, a nord, and dragons can learn the ways of Thu'um. So no, other races could not learn the voice.
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✭"The Thu'um can be taught through many means to men, mer and bestfolk alike. Individuals who are Dragonborn can learn the Thu'um faster."
elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Thu'um
I take this as saying not just Nords and Dragonborn can learn.Member of the Old GuardMother of the Byte FamilyVyle Byte||Ivana Byte||Vyible Byte||Hakate Vampler Former EMPRESS BWB||Haan Zolo {Retired} (He swung first)||Lunari ||Wardyn Chalyk Tahno||Dirti Dianah||Bonnie||
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Valen_Byte✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭"The Thu'um can be taught through many means to men, mer and bestfolk alike. Individuals who are Dragonborn can learn the Thu'um faster."
elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Thu'um
I take this as saying not just Nords and Dragonborn can learn.
This ^^
If you guys are going to argue about lore...you should read it first...
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✭✭Valen_Byte wrote: »AlexDougherty wrote: »Valen_Byte wrote: »diabeticDemon18 wrote: »WraithAzraiel wrote: »AlexDougherty wrote: »Lorewise Nords, they can use dragonshouts, other than Dragons and Dragonborn, no-one else can.
@Arandear Altmer are strong magically, but not Technologically. They use some technology, same as the other races, but technologywise nobody is that strong. All races get so far, then use magic instead.
Dwemer, before they disappeared, were the only Technologically advanced race. And they were stronger magically than all the other races too. But they are gone, long long gone.
Actually I'm pretty sure any other race could use shouts if they received training. It just so happens the Temple at which the training is received is in Skyrim, hence more common are Nord Thu'umthrowers.
Lore says that only the dragonborn, a nord, and dragons can learn the ways of Thu'um. So no, other races could not learn the voice.
In TES V, you are the Dragonborn no matter what race you are. This alone disproves your theory that only a Nord can use shouts.
Almost forgot, Altmer is the strongest because thats what I play. lol
Read what you are quouting :rolleyes:Lore says that only the dragonborn, a nord, and dragons can learn the ways of Thu'um. So no, other races could not learn the voice.
Bold the correct line
The point was, according to the lore (excluding the Ebon Warrior) there are three types who could learn a Dragonshout (Thu'um)
1. Dragon
2. Dragonborn
3. Nord
The fact that your character in Skyrim was a dragonborn, no matter what race, doesn't mean others of his race could learn a Thu'um.
Now the introduction of the Ebon Warrior (in skyrim, I didn't play enough to fight him), A redguard who uses Thu'ums, casts that lore into jeopardy. But the fact you were a dragonborn doesn't.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
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diabeticDemon18✭✭✭The_Sadist wrote: »diabeticDemon18 wrote: »The_Sadist wrote: »The Redguard are physically the strongest.
The Redguard are indeed quite capable as a race, they're mentally and physically resilient and whatnot. I always felt a Nord or an Orsimer could defeat a Redguard in a quick skirmish whereas the Redguard would win if it was long and drawn out.
That being said Redguard are one of my least favourite race so I haven't really gotten into their lore, so I'm just going on my minimal pool of knowledge.
It's because their black isn't it... racist!! ;D
Actually yes and no. I don't play, never played and nor do I plan to play, the Argonian, Khajiit, Orismer, Nord, Imperial or the Redguard races for numerous reasons. In terms of the Redguard I don't like their passives, I'm not a fan of the implied melee playstyle and while aspects of their lore is interesting I don't find it as interesting compared to others. Their skin tone may also play a part.. but I'm currently a yellow Altmer and a grey Dunmer.. so I can't be that racist!
I typically gravitate towards the magically inclined races in any game, so Breton / Altmer / Dunmer and while playing Morrowind I experimented with a Bosmer.
Strength is relative.. I value magical prowess so the Altmer and the Telvanni are up there for me. Other people might value military organisation so that sense Imperial win. Alternatively the Dwemer might be deemed 'strong' if you find technology powerful and paramount for whatever reason.
As do I, that or the archery inclined (love my Bosmer)... and I think you took that a little more serious then I meant... I wasn't actually causing you racist but if you embrace it, good for you! lol0 -
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The Wiki isn't a source of lore."The Thu'um can be taught through many means to men, mer and bestfolk alike. Individuals who are Dragonborn can learn the Thu'um faster."
elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Thu'um
I take this as saying not just Nords and Dragonborn can learn.
It may very well be true, but it can't be used as a proof. We need in-game books, dialogues, dev interviews etc. 1 -
The_Sadist✭✭✭✭✭diabeticDemon18 wrote: »The_Sadist wrote: »diabeticDemon18 wrote: »The_Sadist wrote: »The Redguard are physically the strongest.
The Redguard are indeed quite capable as a race, they're mentally and physically resilient and whatnot. I always felt a Nord or an Orsimer could defeat a Redguard in a quick skirmish whereas the Redguard would win if it was long and drawn out.
That being said Redguard are one of my least favourite race so I haven't really gotten into their lore, so I'm just going on my minimal pool of knowledge.
It's because their black isn't it... racist!! ;D
Actually yes and no. I don't play, never played and nor do I plan to play, the Argonian, Khajiit, Orismer, Nord, Imperial or the Redguard races for numerous reasons. In terms of the Redguard I don't like their passives, I'm not a fan of the implied melee playstyle and while aspects of their lore is interesting I don't find it as interesting compared to others. Their skin tone may also play a part.. but I'm currently a yellow Altmer and a grey Dunmer.. so I can't be that racist!
I typically gravitate towards the magically inclined races in any game, so Breton / Altmer / Dunmer and while playing Morrowind I experimented with a Bosmer.
Strength is relative.. I value magical prowess so the Altmer and the Telvanni are up there for me. Other people might value military organisation so that sense Imperial win. Alternatively the Dwemer might be deemed 'strong' if you find technology powerful and paramount for whatever reason.
As do I, that or the archery inclined (love my Bosmer)... and I think you took that a little more serious then I meant... I wasn't actually causing you racist but if you embrace it, good for you! lol
Just explaining my stance is all, adding to the conversation and whatnot, honest! I stick by my decisions and opinions regardless, the Redguard are strong but I don't think they're anything special."Each event is preceded by Prophecy. But without the hero, there is no Event." ― Zurin Arctus, the Underking.Tragrim - How do I work this thing?
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✭I am not here to argue, I am certainly no "expert" on all of the lore ever in The Elder Scrolls. Just pointing out what I found on the matter, take it or leave it lol! If I ever happen to come across some "real" proof, I'll let you know.Member of the Old GuardMother of the Byte FamilyVyle Byte||Ivana Byte||Vyible Byte||Hakate Vampler Former EMPRESS BWB||Haan Zolo {Retired} (He swung first)||Lunari ||Wardyn Chalyk Tahno||Dirti Dianah||Bonnie||
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Anvos✭✭✭Probably Altmer would go as the most consistently strongest people.
Imperials have a cycle of creating empires only for them to crumble, and is largely only exists because other large people are willing to support them.
Dunmer are fairly strong, but their dislike for well everybody nondunmer and the Tribunal never pushing to find a way to convert nondunmer races limits their empire building.
Nords are among the physically strongest, but the thum isn't actually unique to them and the Akaviri, Kai refutes that it is that unique of an art, and the thum is largely moot in large scale since after getting their but kicked out of Morrowind they became reclusive monks who don't actively try and train and expand their numbers to any meaningful degree.0 -
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It's quite alright. I'm not sure if there is even any definitive proof to be found. We can always interpret the lore as we like.I am not here to argue, I am certainly no "expert" on all of the lore ever in The Elder Scrolls. Just pointing out what I found on the matter, take it or leave it lol! If I ever happen to come across some "real" proof, I'll let you know.
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✭✭AlexDougherty wrote: »Valen_Byte wrote: »AlexDougherty wrote: »Valen_Byte wrote: »diabeticDemon18 wrote: »WraithAzraiel wrote: »AlexDougherty wrote: »Lorewise Nords, they can use dragonshouts, other than Dragons and Dragonborn, no-one else can.
@Arandear Altmer are strong magically, but not Technologically. They use some technology, same as the other races, but technologywise nobody is that strong. All races get so far, then use magic instead.
Dwemer, before they disappeared, were the only Technologically advanced race. And they were stronger magically than all the other races too. But they are gone, long long gone.
Actually I'm pretty sure any other race could use shouts if they received training. It just so happens the Temple at which the training is received is in Skyrim, hence more common are Nord Thu'umthrowers.
Lore says that only the dragonborn, a nord, and dragons can learn the ways of Thu'um. So no, other races could not learn the voice.
In TES V, you are the Dragonborn no matter what race you are. This alone disproves your theory that only a Nord can use shouts.
Almost forgot, Altmer is the strongest because thats what I play. lol
Read what you are quouting :rolleyes:Lore says that only the dragonborn, a nord, and dragons can learn the ways of Thu'um. So no, other races could not learn the voice.
Bold the correct line
The point was, according to the lore (excluding the Ebon Warrior) there are three types who could learn a Dragonshout (Thu'um)
1. Dragon
2. Dragonborn
3. Nord
The fact that your character in Skyrim was a dragonborn, no matter what race, doesn't mean others of his race could learn a Thu'um.
Now the introduction of the Ebon Warrior (in skyrim, I didn't play enough to fight him), A redguard who uses Thu'ums, casts that lore into jeopardy. But the fact you were a dragonborn doesn't.
You cant just exclude the Ebon Worrior because he doesnt help your argument. He is in fact a Redguard who is not a Dragonborn.
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✭Separate from the "who can learn the thu'um" it should be acknowledged "who actually did learn the thu'um". Because a race may or may not technically have the ability to shout doesn't change who primarily (and by that i mean almost entirely exclusively) learned the thu'um. Technically a Redguard could embrace the green pact and worship Y'ffre, but it doesn't mean they did.
The thu'um is inarguably a Nord thing with regards to the Tamrielic races, all technicality speculations aside.
Edited by BBSooner on November 13, 2014 10:34PM0