Undaunted Skill Line XP retroactive (ZOS please respond)

DeathDealer19 · November 2014

With update 5 bringing 2 new levels to the undaunted skill line, there is a problem with xp. I am a completionist and I have completed nearly every single dungeon achievement, vet dungeon achievement, and trial achievement. I was max rank of 5 in undaunted before update 5 hit. With update 5, there was no retroactive experience given for all of the past achievements ive done. This is not fair because people who have not done them, can now do them and level undaunted faster than players who have. For instance, all of the death challenges for gold undaunted keys give exp for people who have not done them until now. I know that ZOS is tracking xp gains for champion system. Can you guys please give us retroactive xp for the undaunted skill line for the dungeon achievements we have already completed? If not, this is going to make leveling to 7 in undaunted very slow for us hardcore players.

Kyoma · November 2014

Couldn't agree more, it is sad to be punished for having completed all those achievements before update 5.

DeathDealer19 · November 2014

hoping to get a ZOS response here. its an issue that needs to be addressed

eliisra · November 2014

You're actually lucky if you did them in the past and managed to get level 5 Undaunted. I cleared several VR achievements myself since the patch (slacked on a few characters in the past), I got no exp towards the skill line. They pretty much removed all of it.

So people stuck at level 3-4, cant even catch up to those that managed level 5 back when achievements still granted exp. All you seem to get Undaunted exp for at the moment is 2 daily quests.

Natjur · November 2014

eliisra wrote: »

You're actually lucky if you did them in the past and managed to get level 5 Undaunted. I cleared several VR achievements myself since the patch (slacked on a few characters in the past), I got no exp towards the skill line. They pretty much removed all of it.

So people stuck at level 3-4, cant even catch up to those that managed level 5 back when achievements still granted exp. All you seem to get Undaunted exp for at the moment is 2 daily quests.

What achievements did you complete? Only some used to give undaunted exp. Two guild mates just when from L2 to L3 without doing Undaunted daily's. (they are under L45)

Suntzu1414 · November 2014

absolutely agree with this author. I believe they created this NEW pledge system to encourage Undaunted skill line.

But, for those of us, that had already participated and invested in this skill. It appears we are NOW penalized. It should not be this way...

PLEASE ZOS review retroactive XP , regarding Undaunted.

thank you
ST

diablo.brocub18_ESO · November 2014

Pls look into this ZOS, I got many of the VR undaunted achievements prepatch which somehow means I will earn much less guild progression for putting in more time...

dividee · November 2014

Adding my voice here. Please grant skill line XP for earned achievements. I did quite a lot of them after getting lvl 5 pre-patch.

Usara · November 2014

Same here. Must be "easy enough" granting the right xp depending on the achiev earned previous to 1.5. Please look into it

DeathDealer19 · November 2014

I've been emailed from ZOS stating we WILL NOT be granted retroactive XP for undaunted achievements. This is a complete slap in the face. So because I completed all the achievements before 1.5 I wont see rank 7 for about what 6 months of dailies?? Yet some noob who grinded to vr14 is already rank 7. Their answer was youre SOL you can do dailies and CoA achievements. Come on zenimax why are you hurting your faithful players? Not to mention the taunt/aggro bug which is making sanctum impossible. I for one LOVE update 5 but dammit I deserve credit for doing every dungeon achievement and hard mode back when they were hard!!!!!!!! Grrrrr

DeathDealer19 · November 2014

Would love to see an explanation from ZOS here

Cherryblossom · November 2014

I don't agree with the retrospective adding of undaunted levels, but you should be gaining XP at the same rate as everyone else. ZOS should address the XP gain.

Gyudan · November 2014

DeathDealer19 wrote: »

I've been emailed from ZOS stating we WILL NOT be granted retroactive XP for undaunted achievements. This is a complete slap in the face. So because I completed all the achievements before 1.5 I wont see rank 7 for about what 6 months of dailies?? Yet some noob who grinded to vr14 is already rank 7. Their answer was youre SOL you can do dailies and CoA achievements. Come on zenimax why are you hurting your faithful players? Not to mention the taunt/aggro bug which is making sanctum impossible. I for one LOVE update 5 but dammit I deserve credit for doing every dungeon achievement and hard mode back when they were hard!!!!!!!! Grrrrr

Can you post the answer? This is sad indeed.

DeathDealer19 · November 2014

This is GM Raigne from The Elder Scrolls Online support team. Thank you so much for contacting us.

I'm sorry to hear that you didn't get the XP you deserved for Undaunted. You mentioned that you have done 90% of the dungeon achievements, but were they completed prior to patch 1.5.2? If they were, I have include some information below that will hopefully shed some light. However, if you have recently done these dungeons after the patch, then please reply to my email with any detailed information you may recall that will help with our investigation.

If a player has completed a Dungeon Achievement counting towards the Undaunted Skill Line prior to Update 5, they will keep their Achievements, but will not be back-credited for their Undaunted experience points.
However, they can earn points by doing daily Pledges for the Undaunted and earning Achievements in the new Veteran City of Ash.
Players can read our full Patch Notes for Update 5 here:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/137773/patch-notes-v1-5-2

All XP gains for the Undaunted Skill are rewarded from non-repeatable dungeon feats, achievements and completion of dungeon quests. Players must be an active member of the Undaunted Guild to gain XP on their Undaunted Skill line from these dungeons. These dungeons also need to be Group Dungeons (instanced)
There are XP gains common to all undaunted dungeon scenarios relating to killing bosses in the dungeon and Block/Heal/Damage completion in the dungeon. You can also achieve bonus XP by getting through a dungeon without dying and also simply by buying drinks at each Undaunted HQ.
There are also XP gains unique to specific dungeon scenarios. Some dungeons offer up unique skill points for completing hidden tasks. Players will stumble these bonuses as they navigate and experience these dungeons.
Please let me know if you have any further questions or concerns. You can simply reply to my email to reopen this ticket for further assistance. I am more than happy to help."

DeathDealer19 · November 2014

I also find it sad that there is absolutely NO mention of the taunt just dropping off a tank. I've wiped about 100 times in sanctum this week because of bosses randomly running to random players and 1 shotting them. What good is taunt if its a roll of the dice? Before this update we were 1 shotting sanctum bosses now we cant even down the mantikora because taunt falls of whenever it feels like it

DeathDealer19 · November 2014

You dont agree with retro active undaunted XP? Why not? I did the achievement why am I penalized?? Doing dailies will require a month of dailies to get one level undaunted. I did all of the achievements already I should be credited the XP for them since players who didnt do them prior, can simply do them now and get rank 7 in a day.....

Gyudan · November 2014

DeathDealer19 wrote: »

This is GM Raigne from The Elder Scrolls Online support team. Thank you so much for contacting us.

I'm sorry to hear that you didn't get the XP you deserved for Undaunted. You mentioned that you have done 90% of the dungeon achievements, but were they completed prior to patch 1.5.2? If they were, I have include some information below that will hopefully shed some light. However, if you have recently done these dungeons after the patch, then please reply to my email with any detailed information you may recall that will help with our investigation.

If a player has completed a Dungeon Achievement counting towards the Undaunted Skill Line prior to Update 5, they will keep their Achievements, but will not be back-credited for their Undaunted experience points.
However, they can earn points by doing daily Pledges for the Undaunted and earning Achievements in the new Veteran City of Ash.
Players can read our full Patch Notes for Update 5 here:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/137773/patch-notes-v1-5-2

All XP gains for the Undaunted Skill are rewarded from non-repeatable dungeon feats, achievements and completion of dungeon quests. Players must be an active member of the Undaunted Guild to gain XP on their Undaunted Skill line from these dungeons. These dungeons also need to be Group Dungeons (instanced)
There are XP gains common to all undaunted dungeon scenarios relating to killing bosses in the dungeon and Block/Heal/Damage completion in the dungeon. You can also achieve bonus XP by getting through a dungeon without dying and also simply by buying drinks at each Undaunted HQ.
There are also XP gains unique to specific dungeon scenarios. Some dungeons offer up unique skill points for completing hidden tasks. Players will stumble these bonuses as they navigate and experience these dungeons.
Please let me know if you have any further questions or concerns. You can simply reply to my email to reopen this ticket for further assistance. I am more than happy to help."

I think the support team representative is only refering to the current situation: right now players are not back-credited for veteran dungeon achievements. Hopefully it doesn't mean that ZoS won't fix this in the foreseeable future.

Even if it is unrelated to the topic, I agree with you on the taunt bug though. Success in Sanctum Ophidia is now based a lot on how well your team can recover from bosses escaping the taunts and killing random players in the party. The Mantikora's miniboss is particularly tricky, I've seen several one-shots attacks on DPS and healers while they were supposed to be out of its range.

DeathDealer19 · November 2014

Yeah sorry taunt is unrelated, I just spent all night wiping to stupid aggro losses both top and bottom on the mantikora. The undaunted thing just has me steamed. I pride myself on my achievements and IM being penalized for them. Seeing guild mates with rank 6 and 7 undaunted before me when I've completed every achievement outside of a few new CoA ones. I understand getting people to do the new quests but damn dont hurt the devoted players in the process

DeathDealer19 · November 2014

Getting 10 XP per day from two daily quests isn't cutting it

ferzalrwb17_ESO · November 2014

DeathDealer19 wrote: »

Would love to see an explanation from ZOS here

They've explain themselves by their actions and posts elsewhere. They're tackling the issue (that isn't yet an issue) of "experience gap" by removing any method of gaining XP of any kind at faster than snail's pace at all levels in all things. Genius is what it is.

ferzalrwb17_ESO · November 2014

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Govalon · November 2014

I did some testing yesterday and noticed each daily quest gives 5 xp so 10 xp a day if you complete both. This means 20 days to get from level 5 to 6 if you don't get any new achievement along the way. Completing City Of Ash for the first time gave 10 xp. Doing time trial ach for Hel Ra trial gave 15 xp. Sure, this will take longer for us who have completed most of the achievement but we will catch up these new players because we are better players than them. They need the uppenhand in this because we are simply so much better.

DeathDealer19 · November 2014

There's no upper hand needed here. Players who grinded and never bothered with vet dungeons can and already are rank 7 undaunted. Not really fair just because i did these months ago that I have to wait 40 f'n days for rank 7. Maybe a few less with coa

MrTtheDK · November 2014

I was afraid that this would be the case with the undaunted skill line. Pretty disheartening IMO.

Armitas · November 2014

DeathDealer19 wrote: »

I've been emailed from ZOS stating we WILL NOT be granted retroactive XP for undaunted achievements. This is a complete slap in the face. So because I completed all the achievements before 1.5 I wont see rank 7 for about what 6 months of dailies?? Yet some noob who grinded to vr14 is already rank 7. Their answer was youre SOL you can do dailies and CoA achievements. Come on zenimax why are you hurting your faithful players? Not to mention the taunt/aggro bug which is making sanctum impossible. I for one LOVE update 5 but dammit I deserve credit for doing every dungeon achievement and hard mode back when they were hard!!!!!!!! Grrrrr

Long story short, ZOS is telling us we shouldn't do any dungeon achievement unless you need the undaunted XP, and we shouldn't pick up any mage guild books unless we need mage guild XP.

So now when a group wants to do a dungeon the hard way for the challenge you get to say. "Sorry guys I don't want to do it the hard way because it will give me the achievement and then I won't have it next time they update the undaunted line."

It's silly to have a system that discourages you from doing achievements.

DeathDealer19 · November 2014

yeah so ive collected every mages guild lorebook because im a completionist. if they ever increase the mages guild skill line, im screwed based off what they did with undaunted lol

Ysne58 · November 2014

I really do think that those affected by this should be automatically updated to level 7. I'm barely level 2 so this doesn't impact me. To me this is an issue of fairness.