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Cadwell's Silver and Gold, Do You Like It?
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MornaBaine✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Mettaricana wrote: »its just boring redoing the factions over an over... that or craglorn grinding.. but the cadwell's stuff is mind numbing i might be less irritated if we can choose which zone we wanted to end up in as our starting vet zone like EP not always in daggerfall ( i cannot express how boring DC is same terrain no change for 3 -4 zones) i'd like vet content to be a lil more freedom like add some more neutral alliance zones or possibly other than craglorn deserts and ravines are a snore fest. i'd like to see maybe visits into daedric realms shivering isles dead lands etc. alternate paths to vet 10-12 other than crag grind and repetitive alternate reality rehash...
Yep, this is the problem for me. It gives me no incentive to roll an alt in another faction since I'm going to get to play though all those factions anyway.
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MornaBaine✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Also interesting that, at this moment, the votes are sitting at exactly 52 votes for each option. I'd be interested in hearing more from the "pros" that like it WHY they like it.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!0 -
Zorrashi✭✭✭✭✭MornaBaine wrote: »Also interesting that, at this moment, the votes are sitting at exactly 52 votes for each option. I'd be interested in hearing more from the "pros" that like it WHY they like it.
I think it just simply the fact that they can play all factions on one character. It can be an especially big pro especially if you are not into alts.
Oh, and the number skill points are not shabby either. It is also possible that it is better alternative than playing in Craglorn of which many have stated that they dislike.0 -
Elsterchen✭✭✭✭✭
✭I HATE the poor story writing - this is (again) a storyline NOT SUITABLE for roleplaying.
Is it really so hard to write consistent main storylines fitting a MMORPG? My granny can do that better - on the fly if she has to - and she is not asking for any payment.
Ohhh... and yeah ... and you can't continue if you don't follow the weak set-up - sometimes one really needs to bang the head agsinst some wall for a few minutes just to get in the right state of mind to continue.
Summary: Cadwells storylines are the worst piece of overall lousy (to repetitive, to unoriginal, to foreseable and to little thought throug) storytelling. -> if the ESO-main story was a fantasy movie they would need to cash alot of special effects to get ppl to the cinema.
Edited by Elsterchen on November 12, 2014 2:48PM3 -
TehMagnus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Makes no sense and destroys any will to make a char in an other alliance to experience it.
They could have made the game awesome and make you explore the other alliances as a follow up to the main story. If the original quest was to keep a vampire lord from taking over a village, then in the end game quest, there was no one to stop him and he's destroyed the whole village. You now need to beat an overpowered vampire lord and help the villagers get their [snip] together to rebuild the village.
But no, easier to ruin the experience in other alliances by making you do their quests. I stopped reading quests after level 50 because of this.5 -
ThisOnePosts✭✭✭✭✭I finally am happy that a game gave us our cake AND let us eat it. I mean, what else is cake for?
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Cuyler✭✭✭✭✭
✭I had fun the first time through Caldwell's. When it came time to create an alt it was just painfully repetitive. Each faction should have it's own questline from lvl1-v10 IMHO.Guild: STACK n BURN (gm) PC - NA
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I started with AD. I found the EP story line so much more interesting - it got going right away and was interesting through out. So far the DC one kinda sucks.
Right now, due to some weird XP bug, I'm stuck at VR3 doing the DC quests. Wish I could upgrade my weapon
. Opened a ticket, but nada as of yet. 0 -
Enemy-of-Coldharbour✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I loved doing the other factions. I've done it twice now. However, I do not want to have to go through all of it again with a new toon. It's the whole "Been-there-done-that" thing. As much as I want to roll a new toon I don't want to have to go through all of that again. It's time consuming and now boring.Silivren (Silly) Thalionwen | Altmer Templar | Magicka | 9-Trait Master Crafter/Jeweler | Master Angler | PVE Main - Killed by U35
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MornaBaine✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭cgipervert wrote: »I loved doing the other factions. I've done it twice now. However, I do not want to have to go through all of it again with a new toon. It's the whole "Been-there-done-that" thing. As much as I want to roll a new toon I don't want to have to go through all of that again. It's time consuming and now boring.
You seem to have the very opposite experience from the many of us...but with the same result. Because you don't want to roll an alt because doing so will just make you do all the same quests again...what you dislike is the repetitive nature of the proposition even though you come at it from a different angle from others. Certainly your viewpoint is as valid as any other.
What -I- want to do is, yes, to explore the lands of the other factions...but as an outsider, with different quests from the ones those who chose those factions as their home to play in. Yep, that means all new quests for all 3 factions, which is tons of development. I really hope one day that they will do that as an expansion and make Cadwell's Silver and Gold completely optional.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!1 -
Personally hate it for one reason.. You HAVE to do it inorder to get to the other faction zone... I personally think if they made it an option it would be a lot more fun to do.2
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Guppet✭✭✭✭✭
✭Hated it at first for the whole BS reason of doing other factions quests as cheap recycled content, with justification a 13 year old would be embarrased to write.
After finishing gold, I was actually kind of glad I saw the main story all on one character.0 -
If you do not complete the silver/gold, you are gimped because you lose out on so many skill points. Probably doesn't matter so much on alts, though.MornaBaine wrote: »cgipervert wrote: »I really hope one day that they will do that as an expansion and make Cadwell's Silver and Gold completely optional.
Edited by lorien1973 on November 12, 2014 4:17PM0 -
Leijona✭✭✭✭✭I like the fact, that I don't have to roll an alt in another faction to see the zones. I'm a proud member of the AD and don't want to roll an EP or DC alt.
I don't like the fact, that during Cadwells silver and gold I pretend to be a member of the EP or DC. It would have been nicer to see the other side of the story, but I assume that this would have been too much.
Overall, I prefer the fact that I don't need alts in other factions over the logical story issues.0 -
MornaBaine✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭lorien1973 wrote: »
If you do not complete the silver/gold, you are gimped because you lose out on so many skill points. Probably doesn't matter so much on alts, though.MornaBaine wrote: »cgipervert wrote: »I really hope one day that they will do that as an expansion and make Cadwell's Silver and Gold completely optional.
Well if they come out with a new zone and make Silver and Gold optional you would still get the skill points and maybe even more if you chose to ALSO do Silver and Gold though, to be fair, they might have to make it an either/or proposition.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!0 -
Heishi✭✭✭✭✭Personally for the VR ranks/after Ball I would have liked to see something like returning from coldharbour and then going to help your alliance go back to preparing war for Cyrodiil.
I really think the tie in of Cyrodiil to the main story was weak at best. Sure, you ran around the country side and brought your alliance together. But then you go fight Molag Bal. The alliances already stated they were not helping you fight Bal because they didn't want to leave Cyrodiil undermanned.
And so did many brave men, women, and beast fall to the end of Beta, never to be heard from again. All that is left, is whispers of the adventures they had.0 -
Grim13✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, it just forced me to realise how hackneyed the writing for the game was.
How many times can a supposed ally betray me, or an enemy assume a friendly identity, or a ghost come back to become involved in my quest... after performing yet another *** ritual.
Honestly, if I never hear the words "worm" and "cult" ever again, it'll be too soon.3 -
MornaBaine✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Personally for the VR ranks/after Ball I would have liked to see something like returning from coldharbour and then going to help your alliance go back to preparing war for Cyrodiil.
I really think the tie in of Cyrodiil to the main story was weak at best. Sure, you ran around the country side and brought your alliance together. But then you go fight Molag Bal. The alliances already stated they were not helping you fight Bal because they didn't want to leave Cyrodiil undermanned.
I think what would have made way more sense for after you defeat Molaf Bal is that you have to go back to Coldharbor and now RESCUE all the souls there! Of course that means revisiting a zone you've just spent a lot of time in leveling TO 50 but say that you "rescue" someone from AD and you're DC... and you have to take them back to their family in AD. This would allow you to explore the other zones and get to see them...and still keep all the 1 to 50 leveling content for another character that you actually roll to be part of that alliance.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!2 -
DobbaDeuce✭✭✭I have no real problem with the silver and gold portions of the game as I think more content options are always a good thing. I do, however, wish that you had the option of "turning on" these Vet level areas for your own faction.
From PvP and general exploration, I was around level 30 on my DC character by the time I was winding up the Glenumbra Quests, which took a way a bit from the enjoyment since there was no real challenge. Since then I've barely even scratched the surface on Stormhaven and Rivenspire. I want to do the content, but I don't like feeling way overpowered.
The game already has it so these areas can be Vet level for the other factions, but I can't do it on the character that I actually want to play through at these higher levels.
As it is, a part of me wishes I had rolled my "DC" character as a different faction so I could enjoy the DC quests a bit more at the level I will be doing them at, which seems counter-intuitive.Edited by DobbaDeuce on November 12, 2014 5:12PMTamriel-616 - A Chronicle of Tamriel's Heroes
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Heishi✭✭✭✭✭MornaBaine wrote: »Personally for the VR ranks/after Ball I would have liked to see something like returning from coldharbour and then going to help your alliance go back to preparing war for Cyrodiil.
I really think the tie in of Cyrodiil to the main story was weak at best. Sure, you ran around the country side and brought your alliance together. But then you go fight Molag Bal. The alliances already stated they were not helping you fight Bal because they didn't want to leave Cyrodiil undermanned.
I think what would have made way more sense for after you defeat Molaf Bal is that you have to go back to Coldharbor and now RESCUE all the souls there! Of course that means revisiting a zone you've just spent a lot of time in leveling TO 50 but say that you "rescue" someone from AD and you're DC... and you have to take them back to their family in AD. This would allow you to explore the other zones and get to see them...and still keep all the 1 to 50 leveling content for another character that you actually roll to be part of that alliance.
I could see doing that too. I just want to explore more areas. Look at this map of Tamriel (with ESO zones placed on it):
http://tamrielfoundry.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/map-background.jpg
This is also a good visual:
i.imgur.com/uy2ZTPc.jpg
How is DC even getting to Cyrodiil? There's a whole huge unexplored part of Hammerfell. Sure they could be landing in Anvil and marching in but that puts them really close to Valenwood borders. To that Anvil's not even in ESO. They go to Chorrol which is quite a hike from anywhere in hammerfell.
AD going to Skingrad I can kinda see how they get there, but there's lots of Elsweyr that isn't and hasn't been explored in TES.
EP lands are so huge they have Cyrodiil surrounded more than AD and DC lands combined. I'm curious how they're getting to Cheydinhal. Most of the border is covered in mountains, in Riften I know they hardly even talk about the war so I doubt they're coming from there. Maybe there's a passage from Deshaan but it seems to be all mountains. Maybe from Stormhold but it seems barely a city or outpost.
I'd love to see Vvarderfell make an appearance. It's the only place from a previous TES that entirely doesn't appear in ESO. Granted that would give EP way too much land, more than they already have.And so did many brave men, women, and beast fall to the end of Beta, never to be heard from again. All that is left, is whispers of the adventures they had.1 -
Psychobunni✭✭✭✭✭
✭Both, I would have preferred the freedom to roam the other zones at will verses must finish this to unlock this.
Usage of "zones" is intentional, faction, smaction. All I wanted was my soul, idc who controls what, who is more evil, etc.If options weren't necessary, and everyone played the same way, no one would use addons. Fix the UI!2 -
I actually loved Cadwell's Silver & Gold! I hope we will get Platinum and can do either more Oblivion Planes in Planescape Torment style or go and see the other contents on Nirn! I want to see and kill Sloads!
It allowed me to experience the other factions and still remaining with Ebonheart.
As much as I loathe Aldmeri and Thalmor - I loved Queen Ayrenn and Razum-Dar. Raz made me laugh and for some reason Ayrenn was not at all like those Aldmeri freaks we know from Skyrim.
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Garetth✭✭✭✭They suck. It was just a cheap and cheesy way to add additional content without taking the playerbase into account.2
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Anvos✭✭✭I like it as its nice to see the other faction's story without going through all the mundane low level stuff again.1 -
BRogueNZ✭✭✭✭✭Not particularly. I PvP more than PvE though.
There are some enjoyable quests but it made reaching 50 feel like nothing special, maybe it isn't, but with 50 being level cap you would think it would feel like you would have achieved something rather than just access to more of (essentially) the same.
Edited by BRogueNZ on November 12, 2014 7:18PM1 -
MornaBaine✭✭✭✭✭
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But that is pretty much exactly what you are doing...it's just someone else's low level stuff only...harder.I like it as its nice to see the other faction's story without going through all the mundane low level stuff again.
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