So you and your top tier friends are some of the few that get to fully enjoy a game you bought, good, that is expected. No doubt , I agree %100.

But what about the noob pug group that knows how to play but can't clear stuff because they don't have the time to figure out every mechanic. You shouldn't have to have a book of spreadsheets for each encounter, just to clear a delve because someone else thought it was too easy.

And.. At the same time it's hardly fair for you and your friends might have to play a game so easy for you it's boring.. Which brings me to.....

The need of servers for easy, medium, and hard mode. It's the only way to make everyone happy. Pvp would stay the way it is though.

I love the game environment, but I'd like to be able to play it.

Play means something different from work.

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

We want to thank everyone for the feedback regarding the changes to the dungeon scaling we implemented in Update 5. We've read your concerns and are taking a very close look at how these changes have impacted difficulty for both groups and solo players. Thank you all for your patience—we’ll keep you updated.

Why is your logic: "Lets buff a lot of builds based around stamina to make them more on par but at the same time secretly buff all pve content to make the buffs near useless. Getting hit for 4000 unblockable damage by Darkroot in Veteran Elden Hollow. The boss also has 160,000 Health. Which is ridiculous for a 4 man group.

Everyone likes ice cream....but a bowl of ice cream with a speck of s*** in it is still ice cream with s*** in it.

Darkroot's massive attack does more and more damage the longer the fight goes on time. So the way to beat Darkroot is just to get more dps and quickly kill it before the damage is unsurvivable. Also, if you don't have enough dps, just switch the tank to dps.

I've been able to do Vet bc hard mode and Vet EH hard mode so far, they aren't overpowered in my opinion.

They are a lot more of a challenge, but they still have the same mechanics and have to switch it up a bit if you want to win. My group was using tactics/placement like we never would have before and they all seemed to work fairly well.

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

I see a lot of assumptions that some players are hardcore and some are casual. And if you think stuff is too hard you are a "bad" and need to "l2p". And if you think it is too easy you an "elitist" and "driving away the bulk of the paying customers".

But I think a lot of us go back and forth.

The challenge I want at 8:00pm on a Saturday night (when most of my guild is online, when we have a lot of choices to put together groups that complement each other well, when I'll stay up to 4:00am trying to beat something, etc.) is a lot different than the challenge I want at 10:00pm on a Tuesday night (when I need to get to bed at a reasonable hour, when we may need to switch to roles we do not normally play because only a few of us are online).

Most of my guild mates complaints were not that this content was utterly unbeatable. It was that suddenly everything had jumped to an extreme level of difficulty. We like to do really challenging content at times. Just not all the time.

A solution to this already exists and has been laid out for you on a silver platter by ZOS. It's called a normal pledge, or doing the standard version of the veteran dungeon and not activating the additional difficulty. What more do you want or expect?

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

We like to do really challenging content at times. Just not all the time.

This.

The concept of the pledges and scaled mobs is nice. Problem is that the description doesn't match the product. Here is the concept and description:

1. Scaled dungeons keep things interesting and challenging regardless of lvl.
2. Normal Mode pledges and dungeons offer a moderate challenge and lesser reward in order to generate interest from casual gamers attempting to either have some fun or gear up and practice for VR Mode.
3. VR Mode Pledges and dungeons offer better rewards and more of a challenge. Intended for experienced dungeon crawlers.
4. VR Mode Pledges Golden Key objective is intended to satisfy the hardcore crowd, rewarding a very nice prize and offering a very tough challenge.

Now here is what we currently have:

1. Scaled Normal dungeons are much too challenging for a casual experience and might as well be the same thing as a VR dungeon due to the lvl of challenge. There is no difference between the two.
2. Normal mode doesn't exist. Everything scaled into the VR lvls is just as challenging as the VR dungeons, and even worse offers less of a reward.
3. Scaled VR modes are more than challenging, they are very challenging. hardly worth the time and effort considering the lousy rewards.
4. Kind of a joke. Golden key objective takes a hard fight, makes it harder, and again offers a useless random "purple" reward.

I was with a good group yesterday and we managed to finish the golden key objective in VR EH. We wiped about 20 times on the last boss, wasted countless Grand Soul Gems on in-fight ressurections (repair bill and soul gem bill is well over 5k at this point) but we got him down. it felt good, we cheered and congratulated each other on a job well done, commented on how good of a PUG it was and went to claim our "gold key" reward.

It was a lousy purple RNG set piece. At the very LEAST it should be a token in which you can buy a piece from a vendor that matches your class/build. And it should be yellow. Especially considering the time, effort, and expense required and the fact that the reward is called "golden key".

The concept is great. The reality is absolutely terrible.

itsBishop wrote: »

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

I see a lot of assumptions that some players are hardcore and some are casual. And if you think stuff is too hard you are a "bad" and need to "l2p". And if you think it is too easy you an "elitist" and "driving away the bulk of the paying customers".

But I think a lot of us go back and forth.

The challenge I want at 8:00pm on a Saturday night (when most of my guild is online, when we have a lot of choices to put together groups that complement each other well, when I'll stay up to 4:00am trying to beat something, etc.) is a lot different than the challenge I want at 10:00pm on a Tuesday night (when I need to get to bed at a reasonable hour, when we may need to switch to roles we do not normally play because only a few of us are online).

Most of my guild mates complaints were not that this content was utterly unbeatable. It was that suddenly everything had jumped to an extreme level of difficulty. We like to do really challenging content at times. Just not all the time.

A solution to this already exists and has been laid out for you on a silver platter by ZOS. It's called a normal pledge, or doing the standard version of the veteran dungeon and not activating the additional difficulty. What more do you want or expect?

You're not getting it, and I'm starting to wonder if trying to tell you anything is a waste of breath. He's saying that there's barely any difference if at all between Regular Dungeons and Normal Pledges and Veteran Dungeons and Hard Pledges, because when you're all VR14, everything's scaled up to you to be Veteran Ranked.

The failsafe you might want to discuss however if inviting a VR5 or some such into the group to be the lead and let it scale to them, then walk on in. That's a failsafe that you can toggle for blisteringly hard content or simply challenging content.

Still though, we as players are presented with the issue that Stamina Builds and Templars are still fairly Underpowered and this new content pretty much shows that via seeing stamina builds have difficulties downing things in a timely manner,with or without AoE, while the Magicka Builds can run in and do both fairly well.

Alphashado wrote: »

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

We like to do really challenging content at times. Just not all the time.

This.

The concept of the pledges and scaled mobs is nice. Problem is that the description doesn't match the product. Here is the concept and description:

1. Scaled dungeons keep things interesting and challenging regardless of lvl.
2. Normal Mode pledges and dungeons offer a moderate challenge and lesser reward in order to generate interest from casual gamers attempting to either have some fun or gear up and practice for VR Mode.
3. VR Mode Pledges and dungeons offer better rewards and more of a challenge. Intended for experienced dungeon crawlers.
4. VR Mode Pledges Golden Key objective is intended to satisfy the hardcore crowd, rewarding a very nice prize and offering a very tough challenge.

Now here is what we currently have:

1. Scaled Normal dungeons are much too challenging for a casual experience and might as well be the same thing as a VR dungeon due to the lvl of challenge. There is no difference between the two.
2. Normal mode doesn't exist. Everything scaled into the VR lvls is just as challenging as the VR dungeons, and even worse offers less of a reward.
3. Scaled VR modes are more than challenging, they are very challenging. hardly worth the time and effort considering the lousy rewards.
4. Kind of a joke. Golden key objective takes a hard fight, makes it harder, and again offers a useless random "purple" reward.

I was with a good group yesterday and we managed to finish the golden key objective in VR EH. We wiped about 20 times on the last boss, wasted countless Grand Soul Gems on in-fight ressurections (repair bill and soul gem bill is well over 5k at this point) but we got him down. it felt good, we cheered and congratulated each other on a job well done, commented on how good of a PUG it was and went to claim our "gold key" reward.

It was a lousy purple RNG set piece. At the very LEAST it should be a token in which you can buy a piece from a vendor that matches your class/build. And it should be yellow. Especially considering the time, effort, and expense required and the fact that the reward is called "golden key".

The concept is great. The reality is absolutely terrible.

^^This. I actually very much agree with this idea and sentiment. You go through hell in order to get an item that doesn't do *** for you and ends up becoming a decon for mats.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom, I've been going on like a broken record since the 1.5 scaling announcement was made...

Use the D3 "monster power" framework for example. Offer us a sliding scale we can adjust to the difficulty we want to experience. Make the scale whatever you like...normal/vet/hardcore.....1-10....whatever. I do believe that offering a more incremental approach (i.e. 1-10 difficulties vs. only 3) would help encompass a wider range of the player base.

Let us choose the amount of pain we want to go through for whatever reward were looking for.

EDIT: clarity, speeeling

What's so bad about failing a dungeon a few times? Back in May, people usually failed to complete vet dungeons, and it wasn't too unusual for people to have taken over 10 tries to get past vet SC and vet FG. Even then there was no complaint, since it was recognized that the dungeons were legitimately supposed to be challenging. But now, it seems like everyone expects the dungeons to be easy mode.

I have no idea what all the complaining is about. A week ago we could take 4 dps into any of the vet dungeons (including CoH) and faceroll through it with no fear of death. Now we actually have to bring a dedicated healer and one person needs to be able to go tank mode for a couple fights.

The framerate drop in certain rooms is harder to deal with than most of the bosses.

This is one of the best changes they have made to the game, people are actually running the dungeons again.

I find it funny that actually having to do content the can push your character and make you pay attention is what people find boring. For me it's quite the opposite, being v14 and running through a lvl 12 dungeon one-shotting everything is boring.

Also, to the people complaining that its killing stam builds, that is entirely L2P. I run with people sporting stam builds all the time and the difficulty and time to complete doesn't change.

I'm sorry that you actually have to learn to play your class and role properly if you want to group, but it's for everyone's benefit.

Not going to bother reading the whole thing. All I read was "to hard" lol.