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Delete all the forward camps that player have please!
msawwan2ub17_ESO
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Either make NPC sell camps again, and solve the lag somehow
or
delete all the camps from game. cause guess what? some people still putting camps to get 200 people to siege something and lagging the F out of the server
ok fine dont delete them, make it that only alliance rank 50 grand warlord can use the camps, and put an npc in game that will buy the camps that people have for 7.2k ap so people can get their AP back.
I dont think i will wait a month or two for camps numbers to dwell down, or on European server a year or two. lol
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delete all the camps from game. cause guess what? some people still putting camps to get 200 people to siege something and lagging the F out of the server
ok fine dont delete them, make it that only alliance rank 50 grand warlord can use the camps, and put an npc in game that will buy the camps that people have for 7.2k ap so people can get their AP back.
I dont think i will wait a month or two for camps numbers to dwell down, or on European server a year or two. lol
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Lava_Croft✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Seconded. Please properly remove Forward Camps from the game instead of this half-assed solution that only really benefits organized guilds with millions and millions of AP to spend.Edited by Lava_Croft on November 6, 2014 1:43AM7 -
Ackwalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Oh I don't know, burning a camp down feels a lot more fun knowing there is a limited supply. Also, I believe there will be a new forward camp implemented sometime in the future,6 -
Subtomik✭✭✭✭✭I want to know how People had so many camps on them they will drop them to take bleakers during a normal push while they control chal....
I had 11 on me at the time of the change and would happily have the remaining ones taken out of my inventory, no AP trade in or anything, just POOF.
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Bipolo✭✭✭EU got good heads up on patch notes, so there are thousands of camps among the alliances, and they will last a while.
Would be better for them to be 100% gone. Maybe just disable them and let people sell them back to Siege Merchant and get their millions of AP, or something like that.Edited by Bipolo on November 6, 2014 7:31AMSkeggǫld, Skálmǫld, Skildir ro Klofnir
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Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I also support complete removal of existing camps.
On the other hand, i can understand why ZOS is reluctant to just delete them. Take away from players something they feel they own, and the backlash will be nasty. Better to just let them fade out naturally. It might screw up the next campaign or two, but in a few months it will sort itself out.6 -
Koensol✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Its pretty damn pathetic that people have been hoarding camps on EU server. I still see tons of camps being placed there. The people who have done so are the reason companies, schools, games, forums, etc etc have so many rules and restrictions. People will grab any chance to bypass a dev chance, only to give them the upper hand and be able to win. Be ashamed, seriously.8 -
Maulkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Its pretty damn pathetic that people have been hoarding camps on EU server. I still see tons of camps being placed there. The people who have done so are the reason companies, schools, games, forums, etc etc have so many rules and restrictions. People will grab any chance to bypass a dev chance, only to give them the upper hand and be able to win. Be ashamed, seriously.
You've posted the same rubbish on another thread. Before calling people pathetic you need to learn to logic.
Guilds did not stockpile either to outsmart the devs or to gain an advantage. They did it out of necessity to keep an even footing. There will always be someone or some guild that stockpiles camps and the others that don't will be at a huge disadvantage. Hence the only way to achieve balance is for everyone to do the rational thing and stock up. It's Game Theory 101
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_theory
With monumental failures of logic like yours, I would refrain from presuming to know what the devs intended. If they didn't want people placing camps they wouldn't have a restriction on deploying camps for players below Alliance Rank 6 only. They would have put that restriction on every single player regardless of rank.
Devs tend to have brains. They obviously knew with a days notice EU would stock up on camps. They also had means to stop people from placing camps but made a decision not to use it. This alone suggests the current situation where we have FCs but they are being placed far more carefully and sporadically is actually intended.
Insult people less and use your brain more pls.EU | PC | AD9 -
KBKB✭✭✭✭✭
✭Its pretty damn pathetic that people have been hoarding camps on EU server. I still see tons of camps being placed there. The people who have done so are the reason companies, schools, games, forums, etc etc have so many rules and restrictions. People will grab any chance to bypass a dev chance, only to give them the upper hand and be able to win. Be ashamed, seriously.
Lol no one knew this was coming they had stock, so cool your jets turbo. luck of the draw they had an excess of camps no need to get this cranky.
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Call it fail logic all you want, but if the devs removed the ability to buy forward camps in the game, did you really think they intended for peopls to hoard them in the hundreds? That's just trying to make right what is wrong. And I find that pathetic. Disagree all you want.mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »Its pretty damn pathetic that people have been hoarding camps on EU server. I still see tons of camps being placed there. The people who have done so are the reason companies, schools, games, forums, etc etc have so many rules and restrictions. People will grab any chance to bypass a dev chance, only to give them the upper hand and be able to win. Be ashamed, seriously.
You've posted the same rubbish on another thread. Before calling people pathetic you need to learn to logic.
Guilds did not stockpile either to outsmart the devs or to gain an advantage. They did it out of necessity to keep an even footing. There will always be someone or some guild that stockpiles camps and the others that don't will be at a huge disadvantage. Hence the only way to achieve balance is for everyone to do the rational thing and stock up. It's Game Theory 101
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_theory
With monumental failures of logic like yours, I would refrain from presuming to know what the devs intended. If they didn't want people placing camps they wouldn't have a restriction on deploying camps for players below Alliance Rank 6 only. They would have put that restriction on every single player regardless of rank.
Devs tend to have brains. They obviously knew with a days notice EU would stock up on camps. They also had means to stop people from placing camps but made a decision not to use it. This alone suggests the current situation where we have FCs but they are being placed far more carefully and sporadically is actually intended.
Insult people less and use your brain more pls.
You call it getting on even footing, but if the guys who hoarded them in the first place didn't do it at all, are you implying the people from your guild would also not have done it? Please, give me a break. You guys are just squizing every last ounce out lf the FC supply to be able to win, or not get beat.
The reason the devs didn't remove them was because they didn't want the people that had just bought lots of them (before patch notes) to suffer from such an immediate removal. Hoarding them after patch notes is pathetic in my opinion.
Edited by Koensol on November 6, 2014 11:35AM3 -
Haxnschwammer✭✭✭✭Camps will be gone soon. Just look how fast people burn them (pun intended)!
An average siege consumes 20-30 camps on each side.
Even when big guilds have filled their banks with camps
they will be used up quite fast.
I guess it will take 2 weeks and they are gone. Of course there will be some
left in reserve for emergencies(lol) but the mass of camps will be gone soon.
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Maulkin✭✭✭✭✭
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Call it fail logic all you want, but if the devs removed the ability to buy forward camps in the game, did you really think they intended for peopls to hoard them in the hundreds? That's just trying to make right what is wrong. And I find that pathetic. Disagree all you want.mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »Its pretty damn pathetic that people have been hoarding camps on EU server. I still see tons of camps being placed there. The people who have done so are the reason companies, schools, games, forums, etc etc have so many rules and restrictions. People will grab any chance to bypass a dev chance, only to give them the upper hand and be able to win. Be ashamed, seriously.
You've posted the same rubbish on another thread. Before calling people pathetic you need to learn to logic.
Guilds did not stockpile either to outsmart the devs or to gain an advantage. They did it out of necessity to keep an even footing. There will always be someone or some guild that stockpiles camps and the others that don't will be at a huge disadvantage. Hence the only way to achieve balance is for everyone to do the rational thing and stock up. It's Game Theory 101
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_theory
With monumental failures of logic like yours, I would refrain from presuming to know what the devs intended. If they didn't want people placing camps they wouldn't have a restriction on deploying camps for players below Alliance Rank 6 only. They would have put that restriction on every single player regardless of rank.
Devs tend to have brains. They obviously knew with a days notice EU would stock up on camps. They also had means to stop people from placing camps but made a decision not to use it. This alone suggests the current situation where we have FCs but they are being placed far more carefully and sporadically is actually intended.
Insult people less and use your brain more pls.
You call it getting on even footing, but if the guys who hoarded them in the first place didn't do it at all, are you implying the people from your guild would also not have done it? Please, give me a break. You guys are just squizing every last ounce out lf the FC supply to be able to win, or not get beat.
The reason the devs didn't remove them was because they didn't want the people that had just bought lots of them (before patch notes) to suffer from such an immediate removal. Hoarding them after patch notes is pathetic in my opinion.
Lol, just lol.
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Koensol✭✭✭✭✭
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And a lol back for not being able to form a comprehensive response.mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »
Call it fail logic all you want, but if the devs removed the ability to buy forward camps in the game, did you really think they intended for peopls to hoard them in the hundreds? That's just trying to make right what is wrong. And I find that pathetic. Disagree all you want.mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »Its pretty damn pathetic that people have been hoarding camps on EU server. I still see tons of camps being placed there. The people who have done so are the reason companies, schools, games, forums, etc etc have so many rules and restrictions. People will grab any chance to bypass a dev chance, only to give them the upper hand and be able to win. Be ashamed, seriously.
You've posted the same rubbish on another thread. Before calling people pathetic you need to learn to logic.
Guilds did not stockpile either to outsmart the devs or to gain an advantage. They did it out of necessity to keep an even footing. There will always be someone or some guild that stockpiles camps and the others that don't will be at a huge disadvantage. Hence the only way to achieve balance is for everyone to do the rational thing and stock up. It's Game Theory 101
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_theory
With monumental failures of logic like yours, I would refrain from presuming to know what the devs intended. If they didn't want people placing camps they wouldn't have a restriction on deploying camps for players below Alliance Rank 6 only. They would have put that restriction on every single player regardless of rank.
Devs tend to have brains. They obviously knew with a days notice EU would stock up on camps. They also had means to stop people from placing camps but made a decision not to use it. This alone suggests the current situation where we have FCs but they are being placed far more carefully and sporadically is actually intended.
Insult people less and use your brain more pls.
You call it getting on even footing, but if the guys who hoarded them in the first place didn't do it at all, are you implying the people from your guild would also not have done it? Please, give me a break. You guys are just squizing every last ounce out lf the FC supply to be able to win, or not get beat.
The reason the devs didn't remove them was because they didn't want the people that had just bought lots of them (before patch notes) to suffer from such an immediate removal. Hoarding them after patch notes is pathetic in my opinion.
Lol, just lol.
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Maulkin✭✭✭✭✭
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And a lol back for not being able to form a comprehensive response.mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »
Call it fail logic all you want, but if the devs removed the ability to buy forward camps in the game, did you really think they intended for peopls to hoard them in the hundreds? That's just trying to make right what is wrong. And I find that pathetic. Disagree all you want.mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »Its pretty damn pathetic that people have been hoarding camps on EU server. I still see tons of camps being placed there. The people who have done so are the reason companies, schools, games, forums, etc etc have so many rules and restrictions. People will grab any chance to bypass a dev chance, only to give them the upper hand and be able to win. Be ashamed, seriously.
You've posted the same rubbish on another thread. Before calling people pathetic you need to learn to logic.
Guilds did not stockpile either to outsmart the devs or to gain an advantage. They did it out of necessity to keep an even footing. There will always be someone or some guild that stockpiles camps and the others that don't will be at a huge disadvantage. Hence the only way to achieve balance is for everyone to do the rational thing and stock up. It's Game Theory 101
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_theory
With monumental failures of logic like yours, I would refrain from presuming to know what the devs intended. If they didn't want people placing camps they wouldn't have a restriction on deploying camps for players below Alliance Rank 6 only. They would have put that restriction on every single player regardless of rank.
Devs tend to have brains. They obviously knew with a days notice EU would stock up on camps. They also had means to stop people from placing camps but made a decision not to use it. This alone suggests the current situation where we have FCs but they are being placed far more carefully and sporadically is actually intended.
Insult people less and use your brain more pls.
You call it getting on even footing, but if the guys who hoarded them in the first place didn't do it at all, are you implying the people from your guild would also not have done it? Please, give me a break. You guys are just squizing every last ounce out lf the FC supply to be able to win, or not get beat.
The reason the devs didn't remove them was because they didn't want the people that had just bought lots of them (before patch notes) to suffer from such an immediate removal. Hoarding them after patch notes is pathetic in my opinion.
Lol, just lol.
I did form a comprehensive response and gave you solid reasons, but you chose to have another logic fail. So I'll just sit here and lol at you from know on.Edited by Maulkin on November 6, 2014 11:44AMEU | PC | AD4 -
Sanct16✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Imo FIX camps instead removing them. Add a timer so you can rez at a camp only once per 5 Minute. Suicide bombing will have a penalty but it wouldnt be like ganking or zerging as only option if you dont want to be riding 50% of the time atleast.
Tbh I rather have Cyro as it was before with all the lags, than it is now: dead.- EU - Raid Leader of Banana Zerg Squad
AD | AR 50 | Sanct Fir'eheal | ex Mana DK @31.10.2015
EP | AR 50 | Sanctosaurus | Mana NB
AD | AR 44 | rekt ya | Mana NB
AD | AR 41 | Sanct Thunderstorm | Mana Sorc
EP | AR 36 | S'na'ct | Mana NB {NA}
AD | AR 29 | Captain Full Fist| Stam DK
AD | AR 29 | Sanct The Dark Phoenix| Stam Sorc
EP | AR 16 | Horny Sanct | Stam Warden
EP | AR 16 | Sánct Bánáná Sláyér | Mana DK
DC | AR 13 | ad worst faction eu | Stam Sorc
DC | AR 13 | Lagendary Sanct | Mana NB
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Call it fail logic all you want, but if the devs removed the ability to buy forward camps in the game, did you really think they intended for peopls to hoard them in the hundreds? That's just trying to make right what is wrong. And I find that pathetic. Disagree all you want.mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »Its pretty damn pathetic that people have been hoarding camps on EU server. I still see tons of camps being placed there. The people who have done so are the reason companies, schools, games, forums, etc etc have so many rules and restrictions. People will grab any chance to bypass a dev chance, only to give them the upper hand and be able to win. Be ashamed, seriously.
You've posted the same rubbish on another thread. Before calling people pathetic you need to learn to logic.
Guilds did not stockpile either to outsmart the devs or to gain an advantage. They did it out of necessity to keep an even footing. There will always be someone or some guild that stockpiles camps and the others that don't will be at a huge disadvantage. Hence the only way to achieve balance is for everyone to do the rational thing and stock up. It's Game Theory 101
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_theory
With monumental failures of logic like yours, I would refrain from presuming to know what the devs intended. If they didn't want people placing camps they wouldn't have a restriction on deploying camps for players below Alliance Rank 6 only. They would have put that restriction on every single player regardless of rank.
Devs tend to have brains. They obviously knew with a days notice EU would stock up on camps. They also had means to stop people from placing camps but made a decision not to use it. This alone suggests the current situation where we have FCs but they are being placed far more carefully and sporadically is actually intended.
Insult people less and use your brain more pls.
You call it getting on even footing, but if the guys who hoarded them in the first place didn't do it at all, are you implying the people from your guild would also not have done it? Please, give me a break. You guys are just squizing every last ounce out lf the FC supply to be able to win, or not get beat.
The reason the devs didn't remove them was because they didn't want the people that had just bought lots of them (before patch notes) to suffer from such an immediate removal. Hoarding them after patch notes is pathetic in my opinion.
It's a simple concept: it gives them an opportunity to study two parallel univeres.
One megaserver didn't hoard, the other did, so soon, one mega server will effectively be forward camp free, while the other will have forward camps placed only by alliance ranks 6 and up.
They can witness first hand the effects and then decide which course to take.2 -
KBKB✭✭✭✭✭
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And a lol back for not being able to form a comprehensive response.mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »
Call it fail logic all you want, but if the devs removed the ability to buy forward camps in the game, did you really think they intended for peopls to hoard them in the hundreds? That's just trying to make right what is wrong. And I find that pathetic. Disagree all you want.mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »Its pretty damn pathetic that people have been hoarding camps on EU server. I still see tons of camps being placed there. The people who have done so are the reason companies, schools, games, forums, etc etc have so many rules and restrictions. People will grab any chance to bypass a dev chance, only to give them the upper hand and be able to win. Be ashamed, seriously.
You've posted the same rubbish on another thread. Before calling people pathetic you need to learn to logic.
Guilds did not stockpile either to outsmart the devs or to gain an advantage. They did it out of necessity to keep an even footing. There will always be someone or some guild that stockpiles camps and the others that don't will be at a huge disadvantage. Hence the only way to achieve balance is for everyone to do the rational thing and stock up. It's Game Theory 101
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_theory
With monumental failures of logic like yours, I would refrain from presuming to know what the devs intended. If they didn't want people placing camps they wouldn't have a restriction on deploying camps for players below Alliance Rank 6 only. They would have put that restriction on every single player regardless of rank.
Devs tend to have brains. They obviously knew with a days notice EU would stock up on camps. They also had means to stop people from placing camps but made a decision not to use it. This alone suggests the current situation where we have FCs but they are being placed far more carefully and sporadically is actually intended.
Insult people less and use your brain more pls.
You call it getting on even footing, but if the guys who hoarded them in the first place didn't do it at all, are you implying the people from your guild would also not have done it? Please, give me a break. You guys are just squizing every last ounce out lf the FC supply to be able to win, or not get beat.
The reason the devs didn't remove them was because they didn't want the people that had just bought lots of them (before patch notes) to suffer from such an immediate removal. Hoarding them after patch notes is pathetic in my opinion.
Lol, just lol.
You seem to be punching above your weight. Quit while your ahead
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KBKB✭✭✭✭✭
✭Imo FIX camps instead removing them. Add a timer so you can rez at a camp only once per 5 Minute. Suicide bombing will have a penalty but it wouldnt be like ganking or zerging as only option if you dont want to be riding 50% of the time atleast.
Tbh I rather have Cyro as it was before with all the lags, than it is now: dead.
this! maybe make it 10 mins considering the 2 mins to travel to combat (usually)
Edit: beers
Edited by KBKB on November 6, 2014 1:06PM1 -
Sanct16✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭5 Minutes should be enoguh imo. It would prevent endless respawning but players would not need to be this afraid of dieing as it is atm so seems like a reasonable way to go.- EU - Raid Leader of Banana Zerg Squad
AD | AR 50 | Sanct Fir'eheal | ex Mana DK @31.10.2015
EP | AR 50 | Sanctosaurus | Mana NB
AD | AR 44 | rekt ya | Mana NB
AD | AR 41 | Sanct Thunderstorm | Mana Sorc
EP | AR 36 | S'na'ct | Mana NB {NA}
AD | AR 29 | Captain Full Fist| Stam DK
AD | AR 29 | Sanct The Dark Phoenix| Stam Sorc
EP | AR 16 | Horny Sanct | Stam Warden
EP | AR 16 | Sánct Bánáná Sláyér | Mana DK
DC | AR 13 | ad worst faction eu | Stam Sorc
DC | AR 13 | Lagendary Sanct | Mana NB
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I guess we're at the "bargaining" step of grief.
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Koensol✭✭✭✭✭
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Let's leave the reason of why they didn't remove them for what is. Its only speculation on our parts anyway and just because you gave solid reasons, doesn't mean there's no other possibility.mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »
And a lol back for not being able to form a comprehensive response.mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »
Call it fail logic all you want, but if the devs removed the ability to buy forward camps in the game, did you really think they intended for peopls to hoard them in the hundreds? That's just trying to make right what is wrong. And I find that pathetic. Disagree all you want.mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »Its pretty damn pathetic that people have been hoarding camps on EU server. I still see tons of camps being placed there. The people who have done so are the reason companies, schools, games, forums, etc etc have so many rules and restrictions. People will grab any chance to bypass a dev chance, only to give them the upper hand and be able to win. Be ashamed, seriously.
You've posted the same rubbish on another thread. Before calling people pathetic you need to learn to logic.
Guilds did not stockpile either to outsmart the devs or to gain an advantage. They did it out of necessity to keep an even footing. There will always be someone or some guild that stockpiles camps and the others that don't will be at a huge disadvantage. Hence the only way to achieve balance is for everyone to do the rational thing and stock up. It's Game Theory 101
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_theory
With monumental failures of logic like yours, I would refrain from presuming to know what the devs intended. If they didn't want people placing camps they wouldn't have a restriction on deploying camps for players below Alliance Rank 6 only. They would have put that restriction on every single player regardless of rank.
Devs tend to have brains. They obviously knew with a days notice EU would stock up on camps. They also had means to stop people from placing camps but made a decision not to use it. This alone suggests the current situation where we have FCs but they are being placed far more carefully and sporadically is actually intended.
Insult people less and use your brain more pls.
You call it getting on even footing, but if the guys who hoarded them in the first place didn't do it at all, are you implying the people from your guild would also not have done it? Please, give me a break. You guys are just squizing every last ounce out lf the FC supply to be able to win, or not get beat.
The reason the devs didn't remove them was because they didn't want the people that had just bought lots of them (before patch notes) to suffer from such an immediate removal. Hoarding them after patch notes is pathetic in my opinion.
Lol, just lol.
I did form a comprehensive response and gave you solid reasons, but you chose to have another logic fail. So I'll just sit here and lol at you from know on.
But when reading your post, basically what I get from it is: Other people hoard camps. So we do it too to stay on even footing (because we don't want to lose). That's the core of it. From the perspective of super competitive guilds/crowd, I can understand this to some degree.
But what I refuse to believe is that guilds, or at least certain people from guilds, would NOT have hoarded them if there would not have been others that did it too, before them. Too many now hide behind the reason: "we do it because others do it too". The people who started hoarding in the first place will come up with the same excuse.
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Let's leave the reason of why they didn't remove them for what is. Its only speculation on our parts anyway and just because you gave solid reasons, doesn't mean there's no other possibility.mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »
And a lol back for not being able to form a comprehensive response.mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »
Call it fail logic all you want, but if the devs removed the ability to buy forward camps in the game, did you really think they intended for peopls to hoard them in the hundreds? That's just trying to make right what is wrong. And I find that pathetic. Disagree all you want.mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »Its pretty damn pathetic that people have been hoarding camps on EU server. I still see tons of camps being placed there. The people who have done so are the reason companies, schools, games, forums, etc etc have so many rules and restrictions. People will grab any chance to bypass a dev chance, only to give them the upper hand and be able to win. Be ashamed, seriously.
You've posted the same rubbish on another thread. Before calling people pathetic you need to learn to logic.
Guilds did not stockpile either to outsmart the devs or to gain an advantage. They did it out of necessity to keep an even footing. There will always be someone or some guild that stockpiles camps and the others that don't will be at a huge disadvantage. Hence the only way to achieve balance is for everyone to do the rational thing and stock up. It's Game Theory 101
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_theory
With monumental failures of logic like yours, I would refrain from presuming to know what the devs intended. If they didn't want people placing camps they wouldn't have a restriction on deploying camps for players below Alliance Rank 6 only. They would have put that restriction on every single player regardless of rank.
Devs tend to have brains. They obviously knew with a days notice EU would stock up on camps. They also had means to stop people from placing camps but made a decision not to use it. This alone suggests the current situation where we have FCs but they are being placed far more carefully and sporadically is actually intended.
Insult people less and use your brain more pls.
You call it getting on even footing, but if the guys who hoarded them in the first place didn't do it at all, are you implying the people from your guild would also not have done it? Please, give me a break. You guys are just squizing every last ounce out lf the FC supply to be able to win, or not get beat.
The reason the devs didn't remove them was because they didn't want the people that had just bought lots of them (before patch notes) to suffer from such an immediate removal. Hoarding them after patch notes is pathetic in my opinion.
Lol, just lol.
I did form a comprehensive response and gave you solid reasons, but you chose to have another logic fail. So I'll just sit here and lol at you from know on.
But when reading your post, basically what I get from it is: Other people hoard camps. So we do it too to stay on even footing (because we don't want to lose). That's the core of it. From the perspective of super competitive guilds/crowd, I can understand this to some degree.
But what I refuse to believe is that guilds, or at least certain people from guilds, would NOT have hoarded them if there would not have been others that did it too, before them. Too many now hide behind the reason: "we do it because others do it too". The people who started hoarding in the first place will come up with the same excuse.
What's so hard to understand? The bolded part is of course true, and it's exactly what I'm saying. Some people will always try to use every legitimate avenue to gain an advantage. And there was nothing illegitimate about hoarding FCs.
Thus you either hoard and survive or you don't and you're at a disadvantage. The outcome is, everyone hoards and surprisingly in the end there's balance.
You can hunt for the ghosts of people who "would have hoarded anyway, even if others didn't", despite the latter being a fantastical and unrealistic scenario that would never happen. You can replay the same situation 1 million times and everyone will hoard all 1m of them.
Again, it's game theory.
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The point is: This is a game, and people play to win.
You can refuse to do things on principle, but that makes you a bad player.
You can rationalize it as much as you want with "I wanted the challenge" or "I was having more fun" but the truth is, you let your ego get in the way of victory.
You should always take opportunities or you are gimping yourself.
There is a reason why players exploit the aoe cap, or exploited FCs, or join buff campaigns or that they hoarded FCs: To gain an advantage, or at the very least, not be at an advantage.
Hate the game, not the players.
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Both are likely to see the other viewpoint as a bit foolish: Changing human nature is...difficult, doing dodgy things because other people do them causes a race to the worst..
Humanity has been struggling with this one a long long time.2 -
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It's not hard to understand, that's the exact thing I find pathetic. People hoarding camps to get an advantage over others, whilst knowing they were not being able to be purchased after the patch. That there are some that have done so as well as a means to stay on par, is a logical outcome. One that I understand, but don't embrace. Which will put me under the label of "bad player" that @frosth.darkomenb16_ESO described. And frankly, I don't care. I think balance is good, but the means at which balance is created is negative in this situation.mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »
Let's leave the reason of why they didn't remove them for what is. Its only speculation on our parts anyway and just because you gave solid reasons, doesn't mean there's no other possibility.mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »
And a lol back for not being able to form a comprehensive response.mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »
Call it fail logic all you want, but if the devs removed the ability to buy forward camps in the game, did you really think they intended for peopls to hoard them in the hundreds? That's just trying to make right what is wrong. And I find that pathetic. Disagree all you want.mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »Its pretty damn pathetic that people have been hoarding camps on EU server. I still see tons of camps being placed there. The people who have done so are the reason companies, schools, games, forums, etc etc have so many rules and restrictions. People will grab any chance to bypass a dev chance, only to give them the upper hand and be able to win. Be ashamed, seriously.
You've posted the same rubbish on another thread. Before calling people pathetic you need to learn to logic.
Guilds did not stockpile either to outsmart the devs or to gain an advantage. They did it out of necessity to keep an even footing. There will always be someone or some guild that stockpiles camps and the others that don't will be at a huge disadvantage. Hence the only way to achieve balance is for everyone to do the rational thing and stock up. It's Game Theory 101
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_theory
With monumental failures of logic like yours, I would refrain from presuming to know what the devs intended. If they didn't want people placing camps they wouldn't have a restriction on deploying camps for players below Alliance Rank 6 only. They would have put that restriction on every single player regardless of rank.
Devs tend to have brains. They obviously knew with a days notice EU would stock up on camps. They also had means to stop people from placing camps but made a decision not to use it. This alone suggests the current situation where we have FCs but they are being placed far more carefully and sporadically is actually intended.
Insult people less and use your brain more pls.
You call it getting on even footing, but if the guys who hoarded them in the first place didn't do it at all, are you implying the people from your guild would also not have done it? Please, give me a break. You guys are just squizing every last ounce out lf the FC supply to be able to win, or not get beat.
The reason the devs didn't remove them was because they didn't want the people that had just bought lots of them (before patch notes) to suffer from such an immediate removal. Hoarding them after patch notes is pathetic in my opinion.
Lol, just lol.
I did form a comprehensive response and gave you solid reasons, but you chose to have another logic fail. So I'll just sit here and lol at you from know on.
But when reading your post, basically what I get from it is: Other people hoard camps. So we do it too to stay on even footing (because we don't want to lose). That's the core of it. From the perspective of super competitive guilds/crowd, I can understand this to some degree.
But what I refuse to believe is that guilds, or at least certain people from guilds, would NOT have hoarded them if there would not have been others that did it too, before them. Too many now hide behind the reason: "we do it because others do it too". The people who started hoarding in the first place will come up with the same excuse.
What's so hard to understand? The bolded part is of course true, and it's exactly what I'm saying. Some people will always try to use every legitimate avenue to gain an advantage. And there was nothing illegitimate about hoarding FCs.
Thus you either hoard and survive or you don't and you're at a disadvantage. The outcome is, everyone hoards and surprisingly in the end there's balance.
You can hunt for the ghosts of people who "would have hoarded anyway, even if others didn't", despite the latter being a fantastical and unrealistic scenario that would never happen. You can replay the same situation 1 million times and everyone will hoard all 1m of them.
Again, it's game theory.
I'm the kind of player that didn't reroll DK, or put myself in LA + staff. It's not the most efficient or effective thing to do, but it made me keep my fun with the game. I play the game to have fun. Of course I like to win and want to win, but get more satisfaction by doing so on my own terms. Not that of the FOTM or in this case "Camp hoarding".
You make a point, but from a perspective which is that of the super competitive winner/power gamer. Not all share that perspective, and can make judgements based upon that. As for your statement "hate the game, not the players", I do not agree with it. It is the player's choice to exploit something. It's not their fault it is possible, true. But others can find their acts pathetic if they want to. It's all opinion in the end and you don't have to agree.frosth.darkomenb16_ESO wrote: »The point is: This is a game, and people play to win.
You can refuse to do things on principle, but that makes you a bad player.
You can rationalize it as much as you want with "I wanted the challenge" or "I was having more fun" but the truth is, you let your ego get in the way of victory.
You should always take opportunities or you are gimping yourself.
There is a reason why players exploit the aoe cap, or exploited FCs, or join buff campaigns or that they hoarded FCs: To gain an advantage, or at the very least, not be at an advantage.
Hate the game, not the players.
So rather than calling people pathetic, call the rules pathetic.
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Both are likely to see the other viewpoint as a bit foolish: Changing human nature is...difficult, doing dodgy things because other people do them causes a race to the worst..
Humanity has been struggling with this one a long long time.
Indeed, humanity has to an extent been struggling with this, but they have come up with the closest solution which is the implementation of rules and laws.
You agree that something is bad and put rules and punishments as deterrent to people who stray from them. If you don't have rules it will indeed be a race to the bottom.
You harness the good nature of the majority (with democracy) to place regulations on the minority who lack morals/ethos/integrity/empathy, whatever it is.
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You make a point, but from a perspective which is that of the super competitive winner/power gamer. Not all share that perspective, and can make judgements based upon that. As for your statement "hate the game, not the players", I do not agree with it. It is the player's choice to exploit something. It's not their fault it is possible, true. But others can find their acts pathetic if they want to. It's all opinion in the end and you don't have to agree.mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »Hate the game, not the players.
So rather than calling people pathetic, call the rules pathetic.
I'm gonna go back at lol'ing you soon.
Exploiting is condemnable. Buying FCs from the merchants with your validly earned AP however is not an exploit. You don't get to dictate what is an exploit or not to others. Especially since you don't know if the current situation in EU was not intentionally created by the devs, if not at least anticipated.
You're clutching at straws now. Give it a rest.Edited by Maulkin on November 6, 2014 1:13PMEU | PC | AD0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭But what I refuse to believe is that guilds, or at least certain people from guilds, would NOT have hoarded them if there would not have been others that did it too, before them. Too many now hide behind the reason: "we do it because others do it too". The people who started hoarding in the first place will come up with the same excuse.
The problem is that people can't read each other's minds.
You condemn the first one who did this, but the guy had no idea he was the first - he just knew the enemies can do it, and if they do, and he does not, they will get an advantage. So he did it in self-defense so to speak, even if he was the first.
The 'blame' lies only with ZOS who allowed this situation to happem - but then, they did not really have a choice either, since the patches for NA and EU do not go live at the same time for technical reasons.
So basically, there is no one to blame. You guys should stop flinging insults back and forth(and that goes for both sides).2
