LonePirate wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

death finally has a penalty.

This is a video game - one with an eternal war at its core. Why does there need to be a death penalty in a war that never ends?
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Multiple personal reasons were listed in the sentence you snipped:

Samadhi wrote: »

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Provides small-scale PvP between keeps; makes keep defense more compelling, knowing that the zerg can't just respawn and keep throwing bodies on the keep until it is overrun; makes fights feel more meaningful; makes resurrecting my allies with Soul Gems feel vital and valuable to my team; makes fighting feel more strategic at an individual level, because death finally has a penalty.
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For me personally, these are positive effects the death penalty has on my gaming experience.
Personally did not enjoy having forward camps incentivizing suicide and haphazard play.

Lfehova wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

I'm a casual PvP player, and I did more PvP last night then in a long time. I normally avoid the big fights because of the lag, but last night as part of a small group, we did a lot of PvP. By doing 'hit and run' and hunting choke points we were able to make a significant difference on the map. Attacking and defending keeps is one part of PvP, and now 'supply' lines are also a factor. Delaying reinforcements for a few minutes can make a huge difference.

Yep. That's the beauty of the removal of forward camps.

Small groups can make a large impact killing those traveling. Lots of people have just taken to fighting all over Cyrodiil on the roads. And that's infinitely more fun then sitting there sieging a keep for two hours.

Um, you seem to be omitting the singular (at best) or primary (at worst) design and gameplay goal of this AvAvA game - crowning an emperor by sieging keeps. You are essentially extending a middle finger to the reason Cyrodiil exists at all in this game.

Samadhi wrote: »

Darthryan wrote: »

I know some are happy about this and I bet youre in a pvp guild. BUT....So far the removal of fcs has demoralized the casual pvp players and only strengthened the elite pvp guilds.
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Am a casual player who has never been in an ESO PvP guild. My time in Cyrodiil is spent either solo, or duoing with my girlfriend, never more than that.

Loving this change. PvP the past couple days has been the best that it has been in months for me.

Provides small-scale PvP between keeps; makes keep defense more compelling, knowing that the zerg can't just respawn and keep throwing bodies on the keep until it is overrun; makes fights feel more meaningful; makes resurrecting my allies with Soul Gems feel vital and valuable to my team; makes fighting feel more strategic at an individual level, because death finally has a penalty.

Removal of forward camps is the best thing to happen to PvP since the removal of mercenary NPCs.

This
I can't say it any better.

Well done @Samadhi‌ ‌

Shunravi wrote: »

LonePirate wrote: »

Lfehova wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

I'm a casual PvP player, and I did more PvP last night then in a long time. I normally avoid the big fights because of the lag, but last night as part of a small group, we did a lot of PvP. By doing 'hit and run' and hunting choke points we were able to make a significant difference on the map. Attacking and defending keeps is one part of PvP, and now 'supply' lines are also a factor. Delaying reinforcements for a few minutes can make a huge difference.

Yep. That's the beauty of the removal of forward camps.

Small groups can make a large impact killing those traveling. Lots of people have just taken to fighting all over Cyrodiil on the roads. And that's infinitely more fun then sitting there sieging a keep for two hours.

Um, you seem to be omitting the singular (at best) or primary (at worst) design and gameplay goal of this AvAvA game - crowning an emperor by sieging keeps. You are essentially extending a middle finger to the reason Cyrodiil exists at all in this game.

Now it will be earned, instead of measured by who threw more bodies at a wall.

You might want to familiarize yourself with the concept of nightcapping and daycapping which are when most emperors are crowned. But please continue thinking whatever you wish.

LonePirate wrote: »

This is a video game - one with an eternal war at its core. Why does there need to be a death penalty in a war that never ends?

Hey yeah why does there have to be? Man spot on there buddy. Die in PVP? Instant self rez right there full health. Fun times man...real fun time. NO PENALTY! YEAH! FUN!

/s

Now quit spouting ignorance please.

OP forgot to mention he's on Blackwater blade...??? Or maybe one of the buff servers?? Seriously though.. I just came back from a lunch break where I was able to jump into small-scale PvP at Sej bridge for 25mins, scarcely a break in-between fights.

Black-Bird wrote: »

Solo player here, finished 7th for DC on the last Wabbajack its very possible and more enjoyable in my opinion to PvP solo. Do what you want when you want put some tunes on and don't listen to nerd babble on TS

Solo player aswell. Finished top 5 DC during all campaigns except last where I took a much needed break.

One of the keys to being a solo player is being able to read the map and predict hot spots.

LonePirate wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

LonePirate wrote: »

Lfehova wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

I'm a casual PvP player, and I did more PvP last night then in a long time. I normally avoid the big fights because of the lag, but last night as part of a small group, we did a lot of PvP. By doing 'hit and run' and hunting choke points we were able to make a significant difference on the map. Attacking and defending keeps is one part of PvP, and now 'supply' lines are also a factor. Delaying reinforcements for a few minutes can make a huge difference.

Yep. That's the beauty of the removal of forward camps.

Small groups can make a large impact killing those traveling. Lots of people have just taken to fighting all over Cyrodiil on the roads. And that's infinitely more fun then sitting there sieging a keep for two hours.

Um, you seem to be omitting the singular (at best) or primary (at worst) design and gameplay goal of this AvAvA game - crowning an emperor by sieging keeps. You are essentially extending a middle finger to the reason Cyrodiil exists at all in this game.

Now it will be earned, instead of measured by who threw more bodies at a wall.

You might want to familiarize yourself with the concept of nightcapping and daycapping which are when most emperors are crowned. But please continue thinking whatever you wish.

All emperors are crowned during the day or during the night....
And fish swim and birds fly.

Profound, very profound.

Teargrants wrote: »

For people who complain about having to actually travel over the map, I'll let you all in on a secret:

Maneuvers + Radiant Magelight

That's not why they're complaining. They're complaining because they can't respawn like a COD deathmatch after YOLOing into the enemy zerg.

No sympathy.

Maybe it is just because many people are in PvE now but at the moment PvP on Thornblade EU is dead. During the whole day maybe 5 keeps have been taken. I played about 2 hours this morning and everything going on on the map were 30 red and yellow pugs were zerging back and forth between Sejanus and Alessia. This was everything for literally 2 hours. It was so *** boring...

Many people on the forums are happy about the FC removement. I highly disagree with that. For stamina based gankers its nice of course. But honestly I refuse to have fun or feel satisfaction oneshooting people on their horses. In keep defences everyone is super afraid to die now, so people group up. After all I think the game will become a lot more zergy on the one hand but will have more gankers on the other hand.

Before the patch I used to repeatedly engage on a big group and try to kill as many of them as possible, knowing that winning 1v15 is very unlikely, but most of the time I could atleast get some kills. Grouped with some mates often even wiped the far bigger group (4v15). This way playing solo was fully viable in order to get AP and be high up on the ranking. I even got Emperor on 1st Thornblade campaing with soloing most of the time. I really enjoyed this way of playing.

I know that there will be people saying that it shouldn't be possible to tank multiple targets and DKs are OP and all that *** people on the forums tend to say, ignoring the fact that this way possible for every single class, especially NB(!!!!). You just needed a tanky setup.

However, now with Harness Magicka being nerfed, there is barely a way to keep up enough Magicka in a 1vX situation, which especially hurts DKs and Templars, as they don't have an escape mechanism and now being not able to escape means you have to ride all the way up again. This is destroying you AP/H as a Solo-Not-Ganking Player.
(Maybe the Undaunted Sets will help tho as they look really great for fighting multiple enemies).

As I mentioned above, the change favors gankers ofc and zergs on the other hand. Especially bombgroup will be a lot stronger now. The only when they really die, is when the pure number of attackers overwhelm them (or vs another bombsquad ofc). But without Forward Camps there won't be too many enemies so they have easily enough time to rez their deads and prepare for the next wave of attackers.

I really hope I am mistaking here, but from what it is at the moment, pvp in this game feels pretty destroyed for me.

Sanct16 wrote: »

Quoting Sanct

People who have never played in AoE bomb squads have no idea how awesome this update looks to these groups.

Large groups thrive on the activation of synergies. Mystic Orbs, Liquid Lightnings, Talons, Bone Shields, Blazing Spear, Purify, ulties etc. They LOVE that stuff, they can't get enough of them. When you play in a bomb squad, every 2nd action is the activation of a synergy. It gives you higher DPS and it gives you magicka/stamina sustain.

So, I said it before and I'll say it again. When the big guilds are done with grinding their undaunted passives and new gear, nothing will be able to stand in the way of an AoE bomb squad besides another equally big squad.

Not that many will want to stand in the way of that, unless part of another large group, when they'll have to ride for 5 minutes back into the action.