What is your opinon on the current 1vX builds?

AriBoh · November 2014

So with the changes to Camps, its not entirely impossible for a single or a small band of players using known 1vX builds to wipe out a larger group in small scale pvp. Obviously a lot of factors add to the outcome of a siege/defense/skirmish (player skill, tactics, lag) but in general I think these builds are damaging to the game. Whats your view?

P.S. be gentle with me my first posting here.

Manoekin · November 2014

1vX builds are fine.

I don't see an issue with them. Seen Sypher and some others a few times, but only ever felt like they were a pain to kill.

TheBull · November 2014

Other.

lmfao what qualifies as a 1vX build? This is a prime example and proper time to say L2p.

Armitas · November 2014

I think 1vX builds are more about capitalizing on player mistakes, the right situation, and using the environment to regain resources. The same 1vX builds can lose in a 1v1 so I think it is external factors that play the largest part in accomplishing a 1vX

Sypher · November 2014

The term '1vX Build' is too broad.

In order to do 1vX you need to have some sort of survivability while maintaing good single target or AOE dps. Most builds who have some survivability and enough damage can do 1vX in their own shape or form.

As long as you have a "solid" build, you can 1vX if you are skilled and go up against "not so skilled" players.

Lava_Croft · November 2014

Other.

Scrub farmin'

Sanct16 · November 2014

1vX builds are the best thing for the game.

Yes. The game shouldn't just be about who has the biggest zerg. A small group of good players should be able to kill a large group of bad players.

FluffiestOne · November 2014

Meh.

Meh. LoM just kills the 1vXers 2 ez.

AriBoh · November 2014

1vX builds should not exist.

TheBull wrote: »

lmfao what qualifies as a 1vX build?

Sypherpkub17_ESO wrote: »

The term '1vX Build' is too broad.

I couldn't think of another term, its whats used on the countless videos that are posted I though it was the used term feel free to correct me.

TheBull wrote: »

This is a prime example and proper time to say L2p.

Without being an ass.

Fafnisbane · November 2014

Other.

I'm also not sure what these supposed 1vx builds are. There's a balance. There are some guys in Cyrodiil that you always see charging into zergs on their own, like Sypher and Talos, but they're just incredibly tanky; it's rare that I see them actually kill someone from my raid (unless you stand next to the Blazing Shield spammer), because they lack the dps, they're just very hard to kill. On the other hand, some guys are glass cannons: they walk into a room full of enemies, and the enemies all die. But attack them properly and they explode in seconds. I don't think I've ever seen anyone except an emperor who was both very tanky and could deal out tons of dps.

Subtomik · November 2014

Any build in this game can be a 1vX depends on the group you are fighting. I consistently run into people while I have my group healing abilities slotted and 1vX people with a completely inefficient gear and set of skills.

if you are asking if anything is "OP" right now. I im thinking the new self healing ward will make some people incredibly hard to take down. As for 1vX stuff, 3 coordinated players can easily kill an emperor, so most of 1vX revolves around arriving at the right situation or fighting a bunch of bads.

Night-claw · November 2014

1vX builds are fine.

me and my mates on EU like to 1vX heck we made are build's for it! i myself enjoy taking on multi enemies at once it basicly
"this is survival of the fittest" and not who can out spawn who
i'd personally like to duel you NA players! that 1vX

may learnt a couple of trick

Someday ill come to na megaserver and kill you or atleast have a go

Yolokin_Swagonborn · November 2014

1vX builds are fine.

1vX builds are ok as long as all classes can join in on the fun.

But it seems like every time someone figures out a 1vX build for Sorcerer, people cry for nerfs and ZOS hastily swings the nerfbat. But it's ok that every other class has a 1vX survivability build with abilities they can spam.

DKs can spam reflect and heal for 600HPS with dragonblood with no penalty
Templars can spam bshield with no penalty
Nighblades can spam sap essence with no penalty
Sorcs can spam- oh wait. the game punishes you for spamming bolt but all other classes can spam their "OP" abilities with no penalty.

And yes, I realize you can spec yourself into glass to still spam BE a little bit. but no, I don't consider the "chase me half way across the map while I tickle you with mages fury till you run out of resources" build a proper 1vX sorc build.

Give sorcs a sustainability skill like the other classes have (since you nerfed our harness shield stack) and then we can join the 1vX fun and it will be "fair."

Ezareth · November 2014

I don't even know what a "1vX build" is.

My build is well rounded and can be used to fight and kill pretty much anyone. The are many builds that are configured for 100% support in the aid of a group, and there are builds that are configured for 100% damage with the aid of a group, then there are glass cannon all offensive gank builds and the well rounded build that has the ability to do decent damage, self-heal, and out survive the foes they are facing.

You'll find most 1vX players just have a well rounded build. How these could be "damaging" to the game is beyond my understanding.

AriBoh · November 2014

1vX builds should not exist.

If I can have a 'well rounded build' that can heal itself and everyone plays the same build with that ability why would I play support?
If I can have a 'well rounded build' that can Dps down people in 3-5 seconds solo why would I build to help dps with a group?
If I can have a 'well rounded build' that can outlast 4-5 people laying into me, kill them and then heal myself to full why would I even bother with any other build?
How you cant see that will lead to degenerate, stagnant gameplay is beyond my understanding.

Cody · November 2014

Meh.

most of them is just someone blocking and casting while standing in a banner or something fighting players that are apparently Ultimate-ability- blind, so I myself don't pay them much heed. I generally have more respect for someone using a two handed weapon killing lots of people than a DK with a shield block and spamming flame whip killing lots of people.

(k, ultimate ability blind is rude as hell. I will say "new" players instead)

some though, some are pretty cool

Maulkin · November 2014

darkknightfkb16_ESO wrote: »

If I can have a 'well rounded build' that can heal itself and everyone plays the same build with that ability why would I play support?

Because the group becomes more efficient by having dedicated roles? It's a matter of efficiency. If you think that doesn't apply, take 10 people with generic solo builds to fight an organised group with dedicated roles, like 2-3 healers 1 support person and 6-7 DPS. See if you get anywhere.

darkknightfkb16_ESO wrote: »

If I can have a 'well rounded build' that can Dps down people in 3-5 seconds solo why would I build to help dps with a group?
If I can have a 'well rounded build' that can outlast 4-5 people laying into me, kill them and then heal myself to full why would I even bother with any other build?

You don't seem to understand what a rounded build means. It means a build that does a bit of everything because you play alone and can't rely on support from anyone else. If you don't have a healer to support you, you'll have to do some self healing. If you play in a group of 20+ you probably don't need heals on your bar because there's 7 healers behind pumping you full of health till you burst.

You seem to think there's some divine power in the build. There isn't. Unless you play a particular role in a group, your build is a 1vX build. Whatever that build is. Whether your kill 4-5 people or die to the first person you meet depends on many factors your build set-up being only 1 of many.

darkknightfkb16_ESO wrote: »

How you cant see that will lead to degenerate, stagnant gameplay is beyond my understanding.

Well your power of understanding might have to improve a bit, because it hasn't. There's many classes builds and roles played by players out there. There's no build stagnancy and people keep trying to find ways to make their chars more effective

Rylana · November 2014

1vX builds should not exist.

Resto staff/SB light armor shield stacking needs to go. I am not trolling or being sarcastic either. The combination has been OP for some time, and thats why every single 1vx player has the same exact build no matter what toon they are on.

If there was a serious (honest) hard counter, then I wouldnt care, but currently there is nothing available that can shut the build down besides massive outnumbering or running it vs itself

Maulkin · November 2014

Rylana wrote: »

Resto staff/SB light armor shield stacking needs to go. I am not trolling or being sarcastic either. The combination has been OP for some time, and thats why every single 1vx player has the same exact build no matter what toon they are on.

If there was a serious (honest) hard counter, then I wouldnt care, but currently there is nothing available that can shut the build down besides massive outnumbering or running it vs itself

What exactly about it needs to go you think?

Rylana · November 2014

1vX builds should not exist.

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Resto staff/SB light armor shield stacking needs to go. I am not trolling or being sarcastic either. The combination has been OP for some time, and thats why every single 1vx player has the same exact build no matter what toon they are on.

If there was a serious (honest) hard counter, then I wouldnt care, but currently there is nothing available that can shut the build down besides massive outnumbering or running it vs itself

What exactly about it needs to go you think?

Only one shield should ever be applicable at a time, you should not be able to stack shields atop each other, and any shields that are up should be dispelled the moment the weapon or bar they were cast from is swapped (unless that same ability is also on bar two, such as is the case of magelight) or when a new shield is cast.

Additionally, light armor needs more drawbacks (probably within the armor rating system itself) to make it glass cannon vs tanky as all hell in the current meta.

My DK is a destro staff/sword n shield firebomb build that while I wouldnt be producing such videos as we have seen before, counts as a solid 1vX build in practice. I have taken on as many as 10 at once, came out alive with 10 kills to show for it, though much smaller scale is more common. It isnt my class skills, it isnt my damage output, its the fact that even with my destro staff out I take so little damage from anything that I can pop my active heal and erase most of the damage I took at practically any time, with a severely low cost due to wearing 7LA + Seducer.

Same DK can also stack shields (minus healing ward) via Igneous + Harness, for 1800 points of shields that give back magicka and increase my self healing. What the heck man?

All id have to do to be god in this current meta is level up resto, take impulse (or wall of elements) off my bar, throw on healing ward, and rely on DK class skills (lash or talons or inhale) to do my damage. And I full well know it. The resto heavy attacks would pretty much render this build immortal as anyone else that uses similar knows. (The magicka regen buff was the most *** move ZOS ever made for balance, the 10 percent damage nerf was nothing compared to getting a full bar of magicka back in five seconds)

In fact the only reason I havent done this is because of the above stated reasons. That and I rather enjoy my massive DPS burst with destro, but I dont "need' it.

Maulkin · November 2014

Rylana wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Resto staff/SB light armor shield stacking needs to go. I am not trolling or being sarcastic either. The combination has been OP for some time, and thats why every single 1vx player has the same exact build no matter what toon they are on.

If there was a serious (honest) hard counter, then I wouldnt care, but currently there is nothing available that can shut the build down besides massive outnumbering or running it vs itself

What exactly about it needs to go you think?

Only one shield should ever be applicable at a time, you should not be able to stack shields atop each other, and any shields that are up should be dispelled the moment the weapon or bar they were cast from is swapped (unless that same ability is also on bar two, such as is the case of magelight)

Additionally, light armor needs more drawbacks (probably within the armor rating system itself) to make it glass cannon vs tanky as all hell in the current meta.

I don't think what you want will be possible without a massive overhaul of the class system. I don't think that's the way ZOS are going either.

Light armor needs to give you nothing more but magicka cost reduction and regen to make you tanky. Because you'll have access to class abilities or spells that provide self heals or armor and therefore you can survive for long by using them.

The only truly glass cannon builds till now were stamina and ZOS is giving them self heals and probably in the future armors through alteration school (they already demoed oakflesh) so my understanding is that everyone will exhibit the same level of tankiness as opposed to anyone becoming more squishy.

Rylana · November 2014

1vX builds should not exist.

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Resto staff/SB light armor shield stacking needs to go. I am not trolling or being sarcastic either. The combination has been OP for some time, and thats why every single 1vx player has the same exact build no matter what toon they are on.

If there was a serious (honest) hard counter, then I wouldnt care, but currently there is nothing available that can shut the build down besides massive outnumbering or running it vs itself

What exactly about it needs to go you think?

Only one shield should ever be applicable at a time, you should not be able to stack shields atop each other, and any shields that are up should be dispelled the moment the weapon or bar they were cast from is swapped (unless that same ability is also on bar two, such as is the case of magelight)

Additionally, light armor needs more drawbacks (probably within the armor rating system itself) to make it glass cannon vs tanky as all hell in the current meta.

I don't think what you want will be possible without a massive overhaul of the class system. I don't think that's the way ZOS are going either.

Light armor needs to give you nothing more but magicka cost reduction and regen to make you tanky. Because you'll have access to class abilities or spells that provide self heals or armor and therefore you can survive for long by using them.

The only truly glass cannon builds till now were stamina and ZOS is giving them self heals and probably in the future armors through alteration school (they already demoed oakflesh) so my understanding is that everyone will exhibit the same level of tankiness as opposed to anyone becoming more squishy.

I dont use any armor buff skills on my current build and still take next to nothing damage even from physical attacks. If they break through my igneous/harness and actually get to health, i just heal it off and repeat the cycle. Even physical attacks @ what 1200 armor rating bounce off mostly harmlessly.

Armor rating needs to mean something, and it really doesnt.

Armitas · November 2014

I got into a 1v6 yesterday and I killed them all in 1vX build. Sounds OP but what really happened is 4-5 of those players did nothing but spam lethal arrows and crystal shards while reflect was up. That wasn't really me, it was them. They didn't know that dragonwings means "stop shooting" and I so I killed 4 of them without even trying. The rest I had to whittle down while resource juggling. I could think "Oh this build is OP" but I didn't win through power, I won through player mistakes and discernment. I ran into Ezareth, who also posted here, and could not kill him 1v1 in that same build. I could not exploit player mistakes on Ezareth because he wasn't making any and neither did I have the damage to overcome his balanced build.

Jitterbug · November 2014

Other.

As Sypher so fittingly said on his stream while fighting a guy who didn't know what he was doing (a guy like me), "Guys like him are the reason 1vX videos exist". And just note, he wasn't a d-bag about it. Just a fair assessment from a better player.
When Sypher can dragon leap on top of a tower, kill 8 dudes and do the *sweep* animation, those aren't players on his own skill level.
It's not his build, it's him. And man oh man is it fun on video!

EDIT: I voted other, because I don't feel like "1vX builds even do exist".

Soulac · November 2014

1vX builds are fine.

As a NB I don't stack shields or better I don't use things like Harness Magicka.
I run Resto + S&B cause it's simply the best combination in my opinion.
If I would drop S&B for Bow I would get problems against DKs with flappy bird syndrome or I go to 2 handed / DW and lose very nice defense and a nice reflect.

Resto + S&B perfectly synergies with the Nightblade and that's probably why many players use it.

Well other reasons for me for not using 2 Handed etc. Or Stamina builds:

1)With 2 handed I get a charge, an execute, a Stun and a few passives
My NB already got an gap closer and I find the S&B much better (Stun and dmg shield)
I already got an execute, so why using a Stamina execute with lower range?
In addition to that I need to get higher Stamina.
This uppercut skill is nice ofc but nothing compared to my NB stuns and dmg skills.
I prefer using an unblockable fear instead for stunning a single enemy if he don't block. (I don't care about the dmg bonus for the morph)

2) DKs are able to reflect arrows. I want stuff working on every class.
If I want range - > Funnel Health and S&B reflect to conter Flappy Bird DKs

3) I could use Dw for a bit higher dmg, but I would lose a reflect, heal reduce, an instant charge, defense and other stuff.
I don't want to use Stamina abilities mainly, so no reason to use DW.

As you can see I would drop important stuff for something useless.
Well Resto + Bow/Dw/2 handed is viable now, but for my playstyle totally useless.

Vilestride · November 2014

1vX builds are fine.

I think the last 3 comments pretty well wrap my opinion up. there is no ultimate build. The build is one of many factors that determine a fight. Just gonna use Sypher as example here because everyone else is. If you gave 50 random people Syphers build, those people aren't going to be instantly as good as syhper. You can give any 50 people the same build, and some will still come out clearly on top.

Zsymon · November 2014

1vX builds are the best thing for the game.

Every single video I've seen of a 1vsX player, revolved around a very skilled player taking out very unskilled players.. and as soon as the player runs into someone equally skilled, the killing stops and it turns into a drawn out duel where the player might just barely win or even lose.

I've not once seen any video of a player just destroying multiple skilled players, that simply doesn't exist in this game. If you were part of a group that got taken out by a single player, it really is a L2P issue then, because if you were any amount of coordinated or just paid attention to what skills he was using, you'd have won easily.

I'm not a 1vsX player, I only heal in pvp, but I love watching them.

Nijjion · November 2014

Other.

I guess you want 1vs1 builds or 2 attack kill builds nerfed as wel?

Nothing wrong with people creating specific builds for opportunities.

Sanct16 · November 2014

1vX builds are the best thing for the game.

Btw, 1vX builds are probably gone anyway now without Harness. At the moment I run oom pretty fast and without Harness Magicka there is no real way to regain Magicka fast enough.

Thechemicals · November 2014

Other.

Its fine, these builds arent a secret. Anyone can do them and most people with average skills in gaming can do them successfully. The question is....do you really want to do that? Its like joining the vanilla club of skeezes and creeps.

Soulac · November 2014

1vX builds are fine.

Sanct16 wrote: »

Btw, 1vX builds are probably gone anyway now without Harness. At the moment I run oom pretty fast and without Harness Magicka there is no real way to regain Magicka fast enough.

No, they're not away.
You don't need Harness for Magicka gain, at least not as NB

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