what?!...

Thank you for your well founded and constructive criticism...

Bugs are frustrating -fact.

Bugs get fixed -fact.

It will all sort itself out in time.

Spangla wrote: »

End of - This is the single worst patch i've ever seen on any game bar none.

Yesterday ESO best game ive ever played
Today - it is pathetic and I have no faith in your development team to move it in the right direction.

I have absolutely no idea what you just said.

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

Spangla wrote: »

End of - This is the single worst patch i've ever seen on any game bar none.

Yesterday ESO best game ive ever played
Today - it is pathetic and I have no faith in your development team to move it in the right direction.

I have absolutely no idea what you just said.

I have to second this. The OP here really doesn't make sense. Can you clarify?

Spangla wrote: »

Then you are a fool.

Their aim - reduce snipe gankability
Their achievement - Improve it

Can't swap weapons without popping out of cloak. Massively clunky.

Added extra attribute points giving more stamina or magika potentials effectively buffing the already stronger races

Reducnig sneak damage. Hitting the racials of 2 of the weaker races whilst buffing others. No scaling on any racials even though %^ based ones have received a direct buff

The skill ambush has had its stealth damage reduced by 35% accordnig to my calculations. However snipe has been reduced by 15 and cast time reduced.

Ambush was not a target of this adjustment. However zenimaxs' incompetence has made it one. So now melee gank damage is significantly less than ranged. good 1 zeni.

Things that needed fixing.

Invisible negated - Not fixed
Impenetrable - Not fixed, however they did adjust spell pen so now inpen is even more ridiculous
Shadow cloak - Not fixed/worse
Sneak - Pretty odd atm have a feeling we will hear more about the mechanic having changed and become very clunky
Camps - Removed trust me this will increase the effectiveness of trains and impulse spam play
Bats - lol if you think the change has made any difference you are a mistaken.

Good job

for stating your opinions as "fact" you are bringing surprisingly little to back it up.

- Your whining about the "snipe buff" does speak of either very little experience or a lack of understanding on your part. The aim of these changes was to reduce alpha strike damage as whole. For that, the cast time of snipe, since it was generally used from stealth anyway was a nonfactor; it could as well have been 5s and nobody would have cared. The big strength of snipe was that you could snipe -> charged heavy attack -> venom arrow and all would hit nearly at the same time.In 1.5, alpha strike damage has gone down due to changes in the animation timing, and further due to the reduced sneak damage.

- your comment about stats being changed is lacking any actual numbers to back your claim. Base stats have changed very slightly, perhaps a ~1% in stats total. It also didn't change the relative amount of stat points races get. Races with stat boni do get slightly more out of them, but the overall difference is practically neglectable since much of the overall stats came from equipment and other boni anyway. From napkin math I'd assume are maybe looking at somethingin the ballpark of ~10-20 points in health advantage that the good races got out of the changes.

- Impenetrable is in no way related to spell penetration, at this point I have to assume you are just making things up for the sake of whining about something.

FOTM changed. PvP is now unbalanced.

guybrushtb16_ESO wrote: »

Spangla wrote: »

Then you are a fool.

Their aim - reduce snipe gankability
Their achievement - Improve it

Can't swap weapons without popping out of cloak. Massively clunky.

Added extra attribute points giving more stamina or magika potentials effectively buffing the already stronger races

Reducnig sneak damage. Hitting the racials of 2 of the weaker races whilst buffing others. No scaling on any racials even though %^ based ones have received a direct buff

The skill ambush has had its stealth damage reduced by 35% accordnig to my calculations. However snipe has been reduced by 15 and cast time reduced.

Ambush was not a target of this adjustment. However zenimaxs' incompetence has made it one. So now melee gank damage is significantly less than ranged. good 1 zeni.

Things that needed fixing.

Invisible negated - Not fixed
Impenetrable - Not fixed, however they did adjust spell pen so now inpen is even more ridiculous
Shadow cloak - Not fixed/worse
Sneak - Pretty odd atm have a feeling we will hear more about the mechanic having changed and become very clunky
Camps - Removed trust me this will increase the effectiveness of trains and impulse spam play
Bats - lol if you think the change has made any difference you are a mistaken.

Good job

for stating your opinions as "fact" you are bringing surprisingly little to back it up.

- Your whining about the "snipe buff" does speak of either very little experience or a lack of understanding on your part. The aim of these changes was to reduce alpha strike damage as whole. For that, the cast time of snipe, since it was generally used from stealth anyway was a nonfactor; it could as well have been 5s and nobody would have cared. The big strength of snipe was that you could snipe -> charged heavy attack -> venom arrow and all would hit nearly at the same time.In 1.5, alpha strike damage has gone down due to changes in the animation timing, and further due to the reduced sneak damage.

- your comment about stats being changed is lacking any actual numbers to back your claim. Base stats have changed very slightly, perhaps a ~1% in stats total. It also didn't change the relative amount of stat points races get. Races with stat boni do get slightly more out of them, but the overall difference is practically neglectable since much of the overall stats came from equipment and other boni anyway. From napkin math I'd assume are maybe looking at somethingin the ballpark of ~10-20 points in health advantage that the good races got out of the changes.

- Impenetrable is in no way related to spell penetration, at this point I have to assume you are just making things up for the sake of whining about something.

You try - but your response miss's the point.

I am am not whining for one. I am stated that it is now easier to be ganked from stealth by an archer. That was clearly not the outcome of the patch.

I am stating that ambush stealth damage has been nerfed more than snipe according to my calculations. This for no reason as far as I can see.

I am stating that because of this ganking is more effective from range than it is point blank, this is a ridiculous logic.

I am highlighting that because of the nerf to armour & spell penetration trait yet impenetrable remaining so strong, plus the nerf to sneak damage it is even more common to see a dk standing in a group of 20 people holding block spamming GDB.

I think you are just responding for the sake of disagreeing and have played very little pvp

Actually i didn't leave it at that did I, but whatever - Perhaps you need to re-read my post until you understand. The nerf to stealth was a result of snipe. Instead its screwed other skills and technically buffed snipe!

WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Spangla wrote: »

End of - This is the single worst patch i've ever seen on any game bar none.

Yesterday ESO best game ive ever played
Today - it is pathetic and I have no faith in your development team to move it in the right direction.

If your left hand spoke during the storm than it must be yellow on tuesday

Spangla wrote: »

Actually i didn't leave it at that did I, but whatever - Perhaps you need to re-read my post until you understand. The nerf to stealth was a result of snipe. Instead its screwed other skills and technically buffed snipe!

WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The nerf of stealth wasn't just about snipe. I hit someone for over 2200 with a stealthed 2 handed sword heavy attack. Their intention was nerf the initial damage from all stealth attacks, and prevent the weaving of snipe, heavy attack, and venom arrow. Both of which were accomplished.

From what I understand they wanted to buff stamina builds across the board, which explains the increased damage for those skills. This was done to help balance stamina and magicka users.

I do agree that the weapon swapping bug is infuriating. It's absolutely ridiculous that they broke stealth AGAIN, but to push an update with this massive, glaring mistake shows that they did NOT test it. It's disheartening to consider how they could possibly have missed this fundamental failure which affects every class in PvE and PvP.

Spangla wrote: »

It isnt a buff to ambush builds - You are assuming that we will all use soul harvest and waste our second bar ultimate on every person we fight!

Why do you keep pumping that point>?

Because that's what burst stealth builds are meant to be about, fast expenditure, if you want to save your ultimate then you need to change your build for more raw consistent damage.

This is an MMO if you're unable or willing to change with the tide then YOU are at fault, this isn't the first change that's going to alter my build it's not going to be the last, the fact is that dropping Soul Tether and using the new buffed Soul Harvest has upped my stealth damage.

6 months from now I might be using Soul Tether again. Who knows.

That's how it works.

That's what you do.

Yin and Yang.

I face resistance down one path I flow to the next.

You adapt or you die. You're dying, I'm adapting. See you on the battlefield, I'll be the one stood over you after stealth bursting you to death.

sagitter wrote: »

-Camps are not removed, are limited for occasionals pvp players because you need to reach rank 6 in AvA line.

No, they were removed. You can still place camps you had before the patch, but cannot purchase new ones. ZOS stated "Forward Camps will no longer be sold by Merchants in Cyrodiil."

I think weapon swap should break stealth for the short time it does. Makes sense to me. If pulling a paper map out to look at it does, how would sheathing a sword and pulling a bow off my back not.