The end of forward camps (seriously)

Armitas · November 2014

The whole keep thing is a carrot to draw out situations for PvP. Forward camps intensify the PvP at any location sometimes drawing the fights out for hours. Without them PvP at any given keep will quickly deflate, time spent not pvping will increase due to all the travel time. Because a single death is so critical turtleing will be encouraged, and pew pew standoffs will be the fight of the day because it allows you to soul rez the dead.

None of that sounds good to me. It just means we will have to Pvdoor more to get any where close to the same amount of PvP.

Rylana · November 2014

Armitas wrote: »

The whole keep thing is a carrot to draw out situations for PvP. Forward camps intensify the PvP at any location sometimes drawing the fights out for hours. Without them PvP at any given keep will quickly deflate, time spent not pvping will increase due to all the travel time. Because a single death is so critical turtleing will be encouraged, and pew pew standoffs will be the fight of the day because it allows you to soul rez the dead.

None of that sounds good to me. It just means we will have to Pvdoor more to get any PvP. It's not about the keep it's about the fight at the keep.

Or leave the keeps and get out in the field more, without ground oil its going to be a lot safer anyway

LonePirate · November 2014

Armitas wrote: »

The whole keep thing is a carrot to draw out situations for PvP. Forward camps intensify the PvP at any location sometimes drawing the fights out for hours. Without them PvP at any given keep will quickly deflate, time spent not pvping will increase due to all the travel time. Because a single death is so critical turtleing will be encouraged, and pew pew standoffs will be the fight of the day because it allows you to soul rez the dead.

None of that sounds good to me. It just means we will have to Pvdoor more to get any PvP.

Well said! This is exactly what will happen.

Lord_Draevan · November 2014

On the plus side, when you kill an annoying enemy like a batswarm/impulse spamming Emp, you know they won't be back for a while. It'll be a good feeling

Juraigr · November 2014

Time to quit

Weberda · November 2014

All groups are going to need dedicated healers decked out in some of the 8 trait crafted sets.

Yuke · November 2014

and now only the change of ae caps stands between glory

AriBoh · November 2014

Time for us EU players to hoard FC, a upside to getting the patch a day later for once.

Armitas · November 2014

Rylana wrote: »

Forward Camps will no longer be sold by Merchants in Cyrodiil.

msawwan2ub17_ESO · November 2014

LonePirate wrote: »

I am not in favor of this change at all. I do not log into Cyrodiil to spend all of my time playing a horse riding simulator.

Forward camps kept the action maximized as much as possible from both an offensive and defensive perspective. Battles are gong to be considerably shorter now given that people will not be able to return to battle easily. You can also say good-bye to those hefty offensive and defensive AP ticks with this change.

I hope all of you supply chain purists are ecstatic as this change is a horrible one for 90% of the players in the game.

I am sorry, but do you even PVP?

oh wait, maybe you are upset because you dont get to set at a resource in warden offering bloodgate to people and hoard AP without even pvping.

make complete sense!

lol

Rylana · November 2014

So who here had the idea like i did to die on purpose and rez only at camps when they pop up now to burn em up as quickly as possible?

Pixysticks · November 2014

I'm confused and bet that this is somehow a typo on their part, or maybe they're rewarded for doing the daily bounty board quests?

Sadly if they are gone, and oil is nerfed to only work from above, it's going to be really really hard to defend vs. zergs. Probably should have saved this change for when AoE caps get removed tbh.

Rylana · November 2014

Pixysticks wrote: »

I'm confused and bet that this is somehow a typo on their part, or maybe they're rewarded for doing the daily bounty board quests?

Sadly if they are gone, and oil is nerfed to only work from above, it's going to be really really hard to defend vs. zergs. Probably should have saved this change for when AoE caps get removed tbh.

Already been confirmed by @ZOS_TristanK

Agrippa_Invisus · November 2014

Rylana wrote: »

Pixysticks wrote: »

I'm confused and bet that this is somehow a typo on their part, or maybe they're rewarded for doing the daily bounty board quests?

Sadly if they are gone, and oil is nerfed to only work from above, it's going to be really really hard to defend vs. zergs. Probably should have saved this change for when AoE caps get removed tbh.

Already been confirmed by @ZOS_TristanK

Yup.

It's for realsies.

Stating it again in this thread --

Wall and Door HPs need a huuuuuuuuuuuuge buff. Double or triple the current values. This prevents the sneak 20/20 siege (you know who I'm talking about) from flipping the keep before you get even halfway there.

Keeps should flag at 75% and then prevent spawn/transit at 50% (maybe even outer wall down). This allows for defenders to be given time to try to break the siege line before being forced to defend the interior.

Pixysticks · November 2014

Rylana wrote: »

Pixysticks wrote: »

I'm confused and bet that this is somehow a typo on their part, or maybe they're rewarded for doing the daily bounty board quests?

Sadly if they are gone, and oil is nerfed to only work from above, it's going to be really really hard to defend vs. zergs. Probably should have saved this change for when AoE caps get removed tbh.

Already been confirmed by @ZOS_TristanK

Damn, it's going to be fun to sit and gank for a while-- but defending a keep vs zergs is going to be so difficult without camps and oil. They really should have waited to implement this until they removed AoE caps.

Joy_Division · November 2014

Can't say Zenimax doesn't listen. No warning just *poof* no more FCs. They did this because the community was clearly against them.

I liked FCs and want them back, but since it was obvious I am in the minority, I am willing to see how this works out before whining on the forums. I just hope we see more people in Cyrodiil so the constant action promised by anti-FC advocates actually materializes instead of a $15/month horse riding simulator.

Armitas · November 2014

Patch Notes 1.5 (fake)

Alliance War
General
Forward Camps will no longer be sold by Merchants in Cyrodiil.
We heard your feedback about troll camps so we made one giant troll camp that will prevent all other troll camps from being placed in Cyrodiil.

Ezareth · November 2014

This is a huge buff for those of us who *don't* charge in and die every 30 seconds.

The sharpened fix however is going to weaken an already weak mode of damage. Bow users just became far more powerful today.

Rylana · November 2014

Armitas wrote: »

PTS Notes 1.5

Alliance War
General

Forward Camps will no longer be sold by Merchants in Cyrodiil.
We heard your feedback about troll camps so we made one giant troll camp that will prevent all other troll camps from being place in Cyrodiil.

Yo dawg, we heard you like troll camps, so we put a troll in your camp so you can trollcamp while you trollcamp.

Rylana · November 2014

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

This is a huge buff for those of us who *don't* charge in and die every 30 seconds.

The sharpened fix however is going to weaken an already weak mode of damage. Bow users just became far more powerful today.

Yeah the sharpened nerf hurts, but it was broken, badly, and we all knew it -.-

Orchish · November 2014

I was in favour of changes, such as only allowing people in the camp radius to use them. So that trains could not travel across the map yet at the same time not punish defenders and attackers.

I am not sure how i feel about them being removed, i need to spend a few days in Cyrodiil and see how it plays out. Being on EU I've stocked my bank full of camps just in case i dislike the change.

Nidwin · November 2014

We need to wait and see what those other, new, replacement camps have to offer.

Ghostbane · November 2014

Horses just got sexy again.

Love a bit of horse I do.

Warraxx · November 2014

1mil to put a camp down at your request. @Warraxx

Rylana · November 2014

Warraxx wrote: »

1mil to put a camp down at your request. @Warraxx

It was only a matter of time..

Agrippa_Invisus · November 2014

Rylana wrote: »

Warraxx wrote: »

1mil to put a camp down at your request. @Warraxx

It was only a matter of time..

WTS: Camp at location of your choosing, 50K GP.

WTS: Camp while sitting in Arrius while flagged, 50 AD outside. 100K gp.

kevlarto_ESO · November 2014

Back before the abuse of FC's, we would group and ride to a keep, if the keep flipped on the way we would have a Glorious battle to retake the keep, we would run across an army traveling and have a huge open field battle, there was fighting all over the map, it was a lot more fun at least to me, I hope some this kind of pvp returns to the game, after the knee jerk reactions of omg they did what to fc's lol...

Maybe in the future they will return, where they cannot bypass the whole transit system in game.

Rylana · November 2014

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

Back before the abuse of FC's, we would group and ride to a keep, if the keep flipped on the way we would have a Glorious battle to retake the keep, we would run across an army traveling and have a huge open field battle, there was fighting all over the map, it was a lot more fun at least to me, I hope some this kind of pvp returns to the game, after the knee jerk reactions of omg they did what to fc's lol...

This ^

Frankly sitting outside of Ash or Chalman for 4 hours watching the same 50 people die 20-30 times each.... got old. really old.

Worked in reverse too, holding alessia or roe and watching the same group of 20 or so wipe at the breach, my codex showing its the same people dying 10-20 times each...

And then those times youd have to kill the same 10 or so defenders a dozen times to finally get on the flags. Its like they had multiple clones just sitting in pods inside the keep.

Warraxx · November 2014

This marks the Epoch of Gankers!

Aoe_Barbecue · November 2014

Do you guys remember when FC's would almost always bug out and disallow any camps to be placed in its radius even after it expired? PvP seemed a lot better back then by my reckoning. There was a lot more fighting between objectives, and people had to respond to back capping quickly. And if you failed your back cap because of a timely response ... tough luck!

The more I think about this the more I think it's a good change. There will be no more endless retries when your group wipes. Winner takes all. Let's see how this affects PvP before we go all GG blizzard.