Forward Camps - Limited Forward Camps...Please explain more.

reften · November 2014

Alliance War
General

•Forward Camps will no longer be sold by Merchants in Cyrodiil.
•Any Forward Camps that currently exist in-game cannot be traded with others.
•You are required to be at least Alliance Rank 6 or higher to deploy a Forward Camp.

Adjusted some functionality with Limited Forward Camps:
•Limited Forward Camps will now allow only one respawn, and cannot be traded with others.
•Reduced the hitpoints for Limited Forward Camps.
•Limited Forward Camps now have a faster degrade rate than normal Forward Camps.

What does this mean? So all forward camps are now limited forward camps? Where can you obtain regular forward camps? Or are regular FCs completely removed from the game except for what is out there right now?

sean.plackerb14_ESO · November 2014

From the way it sounds, yeah regular forward camps are done for when the current supply out there runs out. Would be nice to have this limited forward camp thing clarified.

squshy7 · November 2014

Limited FC's are the ones you get for completing the Welcome to Cyrodiil quest

reften · November 2014

squshy7 wrote: »

Limited FC's are the ones you get for completing the Welcome to Cyrodiil quest

So...does this mean FCs are just gone from the game? (other than the Limited FS...and the current stock that is out there?)

Rylana · November 2014

Forward camps are being phased out

Limited forward camps would have been a workaround (make a char, do the tutorial, get the limited, delete char, repeat) so they were reduced to 1 rez each

Use up what you got, cause camps are done sons.

TheBull · November 2014

Bring back Mercs then! I miss Mercs :'(

reften · November 2014

Rylana wrote: »

Forward camps are being phased out

Limited forward camps would have been a workaround (make a char, do the tutorial, get the limited, delete char, repeat) so they were reduced to 1 rez each

Use up what you got, cause camps are done sons.

Jaw just dropped. This just changed PvP a ton...for the better. Less CoD'esk fighting, more planning. Suicide resources were so silly...love this.

Will also reduce the massive lag that occurs because it was so easy to just get your entire alliance to one spot quickly.

I always thought they could keep FCs in game, just make them 100k AP each

Mountain_Dewed · November 2014

I've seen some in guild stores, what happens to these if not trade-able?

ZOS_GinaBruno · November 2014

Mountain_Dewed wrote: »

I've seen some in guild stores, what happens to these if not trade-able?

Whoever placed the Forward Camp into the Guild Store will be able to remove it.

OrangeTheCat · November 2014

Rylana wrote: »

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Use up what you got, cause camps are done sons.

Abuse it and lose it.

I like this heavy-handed approach.

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO · November 2014

Funny thing is that a troll camp were still better than no camp.

I still don't know if this is good or bad. In the end all changes should be made to increase the fun of playing the game and I am not sure this one follows that.

Mountain_Dewed · November 2014

I think I have 3 or 4 but gonna save for 4 months :P

ferzalrwb17_ESO · November 2014

It will be interesting to see how this goes. It's pretty extreme (I assume they couldn't work out how to code a better option). Personally I love it but from all the discussions on this in the past I've seen this will not be a popular option.

OrangeTheCat · November 2014

Mountain_Dewed wrote: »

I think I have 3 or 4 but gonna save for 4 months :P

If many people start doing this, I'd bet ZOS will delete them from your inventory/bank and refund you the AP. At least, I would hope so.

TehMagnus · November 2014

Gonna buy a bunch of forward camps when I login tonight and ask for money when people want me to place one 8)

Mountain_Dewed · November 2014

I think I may rather have the AP and OOOOoooh... the price of Soul gems just skyrocketed!

reften · November 2014

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO wrote: »

Funny thing is that a troll camp were still better than no camp.

I still don't know if this is good or bad. In the end all changes should be made to increase the fun of playing the game and I am not sure this one follows that.

yeah we'll see. I like more strategy and planning vs. zerging.

Saet · November 2014

This is awesome news for gankers. Lots of long runs to keeps now.

rophez_ESO · November 2014

Great news. Finally people in large numbers will have to use the actual terrain to move around. Finally Cyrodiil's great landscape can be put to some use. No more zerg balls endlessly spawning and rushing into the breach only to get wiped over and over until their numbers overwhelm the other team.

henrycupcakerwb17_ESO · November 2014

rophez_ESO wrote: »

Great news. Finally people in large numbers will have to use the actual terrain to move around. Finally Cyrodiil's great landscape can be put to some use. No more zerg balls endlessly spawning and rushing into the breach only to get wiped over and over until their numbers overwhelm the other team.

totally agree with you... still gonna miss the suicide run into resource and killed by npc and fast spawn at the front line and all the convenient tho

reften · November 2014

rophez_ESO wrote: »

Great news. Finally people in large numbers will have to use the actual terrain to move around. Finally Cyrodiil's great landscape can be put to some use. No more zerg balls endlessly spawning and rushing into the breach only to get wiped over and over until their numbers overwhelm the other team.

yep, can't wait to get in game. PvP just changed.

xaraan · November 2014

OrangeTheCat wrote: »

Mountain_Dewed wrote: »

I think I have 3 or 4 but gonna save for 4 months :P

If many people start doing this, I'd bet ZOS will delete them from your inventory/bank and refund you the AP. At least, I would hope so.

Doubt it. Some players still have mercs they are holding onto (even seen them for sale in guild stores)

Cherryblossom · November 2014

EU Server will be buying up camps tonight!

Hypertionb14_ESO · November 2014

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO wrote: »

Funny thing is that a troll camp were still better than no camp.

I still don't know if this is good or bad. In the end all changes should be made to increase the fun of playing the game and I am not sure this one follows that.

i have seen some troll camps so perfectly set up they were literally useless to the team it affected.

Like putting on the other side of a mountain or river that you cant easily cross... basically those camps were as useful to use as it was just re spawning at the nearest keep.

reften · November 2014

but, 40k AP ticks at keeps is a thing of the past too if you think about it...

Naivefanboi · November 2014

so instead of fixing troll camps, just remove camps all together....well cyrodill doesnt work perfectly guess ill apply that same logic and just never pvp again. thanks zos i needed that nudge in the right direction

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Goibot · November 2014

Ok if they are taking FC's out of the game, that is a pretty big blow to any offence are they doing anything to lower the defensive side?

Komma · November 2014

Maybe people will learn to rez instead of running over corpses. People are lazy and selfish in cyrodiil. Maybe people will use strategy instead of mad rushing every thing. Lets see how it plays out.

Gorthax · November 2014

this adds more strategy to the game....instead of dropping a FC and spawning right back into the battle everyone will have to start doing this thing called REVIVING team mates lol FC were so junk......die and spawn right back at the point of battle instead of fearing dying in pvp and dreading running back to the battle to help keep the fight in your favor......I see this as such a very good thing!

Naivefanboi · November 2014

Gorthax wrote: »

this adds more strategy to the game....instead of dropping a FC and spawning right back into the battle everyone will have to start doing this thing called REVIVING team mates lol FC were so junk......die and spawn right back at the point of battle instead of fearing dying in pvp and dreading running back to the battle to help keep the fight in your favor......I see this as such a very good thing!

groups i run with always rez.... people spawn into fc when enemies push over their corpse or when there is no one left to rez.
my groups must be the exception to the rule?

briandivisionb16_ESO · November 2014

As a centurion I have to say this is a major win for PVP.
No more insta-armies or lazy PvP. There will be players inbetween resources.
Totally changes the dynamics of everything. Well done, ZOS. Well done!

@ZOS_GinaBruno‌ I think what the guy was asking was if we put camps on trade stores other people may be able to buy them; thus making trade still very possible.
Good luck!