Pmarsico9 wrote: »

Mannimarco's existence in this game could largely be considered a major lore violation simply due the fact that he dies both in Oblivion and ESO.

Granted you can take the point of view that he was dead already in Oblivion, but that's neither here nor there, really. There essentially haven't been a ton of lore violations, but this one would be pretty robust in its violation if its true considering he's the primary antagonist.

He also died in one of the earlier games too, Daggerfal I think, so the lore was already pretty tattered in regards to Mannimarco. Not that this makes it any better.

Pmarsico9 wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Pmarsico9 wrote: »

Mannimarco's existence in this game could largely be considered a major lore violation simply due the fact that he dies both in Oblivion and ESO.

Granted you can take the point of view that he was dead already in Oblivion, but that's neither here nor there, really. There essentially haven't been a ton of lore violations, but this one would be pretty robust in its violation if its true considering he's the primary antagonist.

He also died in one of the earlier games too, Daggerfal I think, so the lore was already pretty tattered in regards to Mannimarco. Not that this makes it any better.

No but it's not completely setting a new precedent either.

True.

AlexDougherty wrote: »

I hadn't heard about the Ebony Warrior, but if he's a Redguard and not Dragonborn, then clearly there is a precident for non-Nord Thu'um users. Oh well. But you still require years of study to use them.

The Ebony Warrior is a bit like Gaenor from Tribunal. He's specifically there as an absurdly high level combat challenge.

It's also interesting that he specifically talks about going to Sovngarde... honestly, I'm not sure what to make of that. Beyond the part where he's an anomaly.

Pmarsico9 wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

You guys do realize that this game takes place before the resurrected Mannimarco appears in the single-player series, right?

If you pay attention in Oblivion, the story matches up pretty well with ESO.

Mannimarco, if I recall correctly, is mortal then dies again to become a lich in Oblivion. Either another ridiculously powerful necromancer took his name or ESO is a retcon.

You are not recalling correctly.

Mannimarco (from ESO) is never alive in Oblivion.

Edit: If you read some of the lore, there's speculation about why the wizard you face in Oblivion is calling himself Mannimarco, but the history books you can read in that game are very specific about the history of the real Mannimarco. One could speculate that he came back as that mage in Oblivion, but the evidence all suggests that it's simply another necromancer taking on the name.

Pmarsico9 wrote: »

Mannimarco's existence in this game could largely be considered a major lore violation simply due the fact that he dies both in Oblivion and ESO.

Granted you can take the point of view that he was dead already in Oblivion, but that's neither here nor there, really. There essentially haven't been a ton of lore violations, but this one would be pretty robust in its violation if its true considering he's the primary antagonist.

Keep in mind this game is supposed to be set, if I remember correctly, far earlier than Oblivion. Which would make killing the already dead version of him in Oblivion sync actually perfectly with the Lore timeline. But again, I can't really remember when Oblivion took place or when this game is taking place...

AngryNord wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

Gormlaith, Felldir, and Hakon weren't dragonborn. When you have Kyne asking a dragon to teach the humans, there is a possibility that learning things could be accelerated, just a little. There isn't, afaik, any information on how long it took the humans to learn to Shout, or how long it took the humans to create the dragonrend Shout.

They were however Nords, it's a keystone of the lore about Nords that they are the only Race who can use shouts (apart from Dragons). And in the Skyrim game everyone tells you it takes years of study to be able to use them.

Tiber Septim used shouts...

Tiber was both nord and dragonborn, no? I actually don't completely recall the latter though. Seems like I also remember his only example of thu'um in MK fan fiction, but I don't recall either.