why not make all skills use magicka

twistedmonk · October 2014

All weapon and class skills use magicka...stamina is only used for block/dodge/sprint.

Sometimes the simplest solutions are the best.

Potenza · October 2014

Because it might be weird to use Magicka to swing a sword.

To add: All magical actions are suppose to use Magicka, and all physical actions are supposed to use Stamina. The way its suppose to be anyway.

babylon · October 2014

I suggested this ages ago. I think it would work, nobody would be having to balance "stamina vs magicka" builds ever again. All skills would just use magicka and you could pick whatever skill you wanted to use without feeling gimped.

Makes sense, and that's why it will probably never happen. I think people instead actually prefer whining and asking for nerfs.

Robocles · October 2014

If they would move block/defensive abilities to a third pool, they could keep the supposed complexity they are trying for with the stam/mag pools and not make it so that anyone who wants to stack stam for damage is at a disadvantage.

Ugh... stupidly long sentence... sorry.

AshySamurai · October 2014

If all skills will use magika, then what the point to wear something except light armor and stack something except magika? If you will add another pool - what difference will be between magika and stamina?

Cathexis · October 2014

...Why not consume magika or stamina based on what type of cc you are breaking (so if it is a mana based spell, use mana to break, if its a stamina based ability, use stamina)...

Nox_Aeterna · October 2014

Hum something to consider really.

In the end TES games never really had many stamina moves when compared to the number of spells you have access to.

So this comes from the series really, it is a mess , because there has never been balance in this aspect before , but since it was a single player game , nobody really cared.

AshySamurai wrote: »

If all skills will use magika, then what the point to wear something except light armor and stack something except magika? If you will add another pool - what difference will be between magika and stamina?

This can be solved in multiple ways one of them is by just changing the medium armor and heavy armor skills...

Which lets agree , would be MUCH easier than balancing this mess lols.

Cazic · October 2014

Because melee skills using magicka makes no sense, and it would screw up many builds.

On my DK tank, I reserve my stamina pool for blocking and taunting (Pierce Armor). If taunting to draw aggro used magicka.. that would just be... no.

eliisra · October 2014

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

This can be solved in multiple ways one of them is by just changing the medium armor and heavy armor skills...

Which lets agree , would be MUCH easier than balancing this mess lols.

Agreed. Well, yeah you would have to change a lot of armor- and weapon passives of course.

Think the main issue with this is how sword wielders feel awkward about using magicka, makes them feel like Harry Potters or Sailor Moons.

So why not change the name. Let's call it energy or power, same recourse pool for all skills, so there's no misunderstandings. It's not TES I know, but better than current catastrophe.

OrangeTheCat · October 2014

Or just remove stamina/magica regen from armor to something else. At least you would not see so many "dress wearing" NBs and DKs.

Sotha_Sil · October 2014

just make medium armor exactly like light armor passives but for stamina. Fixed.

Make heavy armor about reduction of overall damage + reduction of ultimate cost + reduction of blocking cost. Fixed.

badmojo · October 2014

Why? What is the benefit of removing stamina as a resource for skills?

Let me guess.. you want to use some stamina ability but your max stamina sucks because you built your character for max magicka?

ZigoSid · October 2014

Damn right badmojo !

Vizier · October 2014

OR... continue to balance stamina vs magika until they get it right thus creating more variety and variation of viable play styles and builds... just sayin.

Akula · October 2014

Sneaking - Uses magicka
Dodging - Uses stamina
Sprint - Sprint uses equal amounts of both
Blocking- Uses whatever pool was used in the attack.

Evergnar · October 2014

It would be interesting to see all damage skills use magika and all defensive skills use stamina. Those that are both could use a percentage of each.

killedbyping · October 2014

j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »

Because it might be weird to use Magicka to swing a sword.

To add: All magical actions are suppose to use Magicka, and all physical actions are supposed to use Stamina. The way its suppose to be anyway.

Isnt it is wierd to use Weapon damage to increase Spells shoted from destruction Stuff ?

Or.. isnt it even wierder to use Weapon damage to increase HEALING done by Healing stuff ?

Guppet · October 2014

Cazic wrote: »

Because melee skills using magicka makes no sense, and it would screw up many builds.

On my DK tank, I reserve my stamina pool for blocking and taunting (Pierce Armor). If taunting to draw aggro used magicka.. that would just be... no.

There are class abilities that are just weapon swings, that use magica currently. Concealed weapon for one, killers blade for another.

Cazic · October 2014

Guppet wrote: »

Cazic wrote: »

Because melee skills using magicka makes no sense, and it would screw up many builds.

On my DK tank, I reserve my stamina pool for blocking and taunting (Pierce Armor). If taunting to draw aggro used magicka.. that would just be... no.

There are class abilities that are just weapon swings, that use magica currently. Concealed weapon for one, killers blade for another.

I suppose they had to make the decision for some NB melee abilities to use magicka for balance reasons, since most (all?) other class skills use magicka. I could rephrase my original comment to say "melee weapon skills" (1H/S, 2H) as opposed to just "melee skills".

AlexDougherty · October 2014

twistedmonk wrote: »

All weapon and class skills use magicka...stamina is only used for block/dodge/sprint.

Sometimes the simplest solutions are the best.

Um, lets not, if you do that, my templar is stuffed. At the minute when he runs out of magicka, he uses a weapon skill, which helps keep alive long enough to win the battle.

badmojo · October 2014

Guppet wrote: »

Cazic wrote: »

Because melee skills using magicka makes no sense, and it would screw up many builds.

On my DK tank, I reserve my stamina pool for blocking and taunting (Pierce Armor). If taunting to draw aggro used magicka.. that would just be... no.

There are class abilities that are just weapon swings, that use magica currently. Concealed weapon for one, killers blade for another.

Those two skills are more than just simple weapon swings, for one they deal magic damage, they also do stuff like heal you and increase your speed. Seems quite magical to me.

kijima · October 2014

It would be a little boring I think.

The way it is right now there is so much diversity. FOTM builds, Hybrid builds, cheesy cookie cutters, 1v1 stamina dueling builds for endless amounts of block, dodge and rolling. And just weird theory crafted knockout builds that you think don't work on paper, but do work very well. I find it refreshing when you see a <insert class here> doing something uncommon but doing it effectively, even when they kill me I think to myself, hey that was kinda cool.

The way it is now, if you stuff up on your build it's no ones fault but your own.

With builds, it seems that many people don't take responsibility for their own actions. You can't expect to make a glass cannon and one shot people, and then get dirty when you get torn apart and stamped into the ground by a DK without him breaking a sweat.

danno8 · October 2014

We just need more stamina options. Right now magicka:stamina skill lines are 15:5, or thereabouts, including ALL class lines.

That means to use your class lines to the fullest you need to use light armour, which ends up also leading to using staves.

It was a poor design choice that has lead to the whole "Elder staves Online" moniker. Add to that the whole problem of stamina using your defensive resource and you have twice the problem.

What we really needed from the beginning are some stamina class skills/lines.

Nerouyn · October 2014

I agree the current design is not ideal but the obvious reason why not is it flies in the face of lore. ESO already cops enough criticism - some justified, some maybe not - for departures from TES lore and convention. Dropping stamina entirely would probably make some fans' heads explode.

That said I think there is a simple and lore friendly fix.

1) Stop scaling magic damage with magicka and weapon damage with stamina. Let magicka and stamina just be resource pools. There are already other stats that damage scales with.

2) Slightly off topic but while they're at it it would make sense to separate spell damage and spell healing power. A single stat which boosts both dps and healing seems unfair, and I say that as someone whose main character is a healer sorc.

3) Have a block and dodge which use stamina. Have separate block and dodge variants which consume magicka, eg. a magic shield and blink. Give players some way to set which version will execute. That will cater to all sorts.