What is wrong with Templar shield stacking...seriously???

MrHemlocks · October 2014

I play a Vet9 Templar and realize he has very lack luster DPS. He is mainly a magicka build, for a stamina build with magicka is out of the question, and relies of BS,Blind Flashes and heal, to stay alive (somewhat) in PvP. I was thinking about adding Harness Magicka to the list. It would be used along with BS for a better survival rate. Was told this is shield stacking and that it is somehow wrong to do...why???? I Templar's DPS sucks and he lacks the other abilities that make other classes shine in PvP.

Can it be the people complaining about Templar shield stacking are those that want an easy kill on the Templar...like NS one shots, stam bow users one shots, DKs and Sorc with their multi skills built for PvP?

Come on...Templars are very lack luster in PvP. Sure they have heals but most DPS out last the heals and other classes do like wise. Not to mention all classes have heal abilities...

Sotha_Sil · October 2014

DK, Sorcerers can also do shield stacking and it's perfectly fine so I don't know who told you this was wrong but he might have to consider looking at the skills of other classes before criticizing.

Thechemicals · October 2014

lol....My retired templar was slaying dk's since release. The learning curve is high. Youll need to find good players to learn from. Maybe join a dueling guild. If that still doesnt help.....youre doing something wrong.

thelordoffelines · October 2014

Dont shield stack its wrong and an exploit. Just like DKs using reflective scales is an exploit (and yes I report every dk I see using reflective scales).

But seriously shield stacking is all good. If ur a sorc u dont really have a choice but shield stack as u have no self heals!

timidobserver · October 2014

Shield stacking gives Templar magicka management and survivabilty, which the class was never meant to have.

Loneshard · October 2014

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jefcv7EWAcc

Elsterchen · October 2014

I think u are mistaking the term "shield stacking" - as far as i know this term referred to an exploit that was happening when using BS (and has been corrected by a patch already). This exploit made it possible that dmg stored up during one fight would be released during the following fight - to be more preciese this happened only when during the first fight all enemies died before the dmg was released (the BS exploded). In this way it was possible to stack dmg from BS and have one very high single target dmg dealt (at that time BS targeting was buggy as well so in most cases it only worked on single targets anyways - so in PVP it was pretty bad while in PVE neglegtable).

Or am i mistaken here ? - Turtle tactics (= harden your shell in every possible way) is not shiel stacking. (?)

Rune_Relic · October 2014

I dont mind shield stacking as long as everyone can become invincible on demand. At the very least I expect to have a comparable shield to everyone else.

The problem comes when someone finds a bug and exploits it to give them capabilities no one else has.

Take last night..
1. DK had me grabbed, stunned. Left+Right & Dodgeroll. as soon as I threw off the stun/snare they instantly cast it again. So I was stuck there crippled unable to fight back, unable to break free (according to ZOS you should be immune from stun/snare lock for several seconds afterward).
2. Then there is the eternal shields stackers that can somehow hold that shield all day long and take no damage. I in turn will block and lose stamina with every hit until the stamina is gone and I am dead.
3. A group of 30 attacking an equally sized group liek a free for all. Then the batswarm choo choo appears out of no where and wipes all 30 instantly. INSTANTLY.

So yeah. I dont mind what the hell people can do as long as everyone can do it and no one becomes a god.

Cherryblossom · October 2014

Rune_Relic wrote: »

I dont mind shield stacking as long as everyone can become invincible on demand. At the very least I expect to have a comparable shield to everyone else.

The problem comes when someone finds a bug and exploits it to give them capabilities no one else has.

Take last night..
1. DK had me grabbed, stunned. Left+Right & Dodgeroll. as soon as I threw off the stun/snare they instantly cast it again. So I was stuck there crippled unable to fight back, unable to break free (according to ZOS you should be immune from stun/snare lock for several seconds afterward).
2. Then there is the eternal shields stackers that can somehow hold that shield all day long and take no damage. I in turn will block and lose stamina with every hit until the stamina is gone and I am dead.
3. A group of 30 attacking an equally sized group liek a free for all. Then the batswarm choo choo appears out of no where and wipes all 30 instantly. INSTANTLY.

So yeah. I dont mind what the hell people can do as long as everyone can do it and no one becomes a god.

Confused,
theoretically everyone can be a Vampire.
So every class has a god like ability to either stun you to death or more or less one hit kill you, or survive.
However only some players are good enough to do this, so is your complaint that some players are better than you?

Rune_Relic · October 2014

Cherryblossom wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

I dont mind shield stacking as long as everyone can become invincible on demand. At the very least I expect to have a comparable shield to everyone else.

The problem comes when someone finds a bug and exploits it to give them capabilities no one else has.

Take last night..
1. DK had me grabbed, stunned. Left+Right & Dodgeroll. as soon as I threw off the stun/snare they instantly cast it again. So I was stuck there crippled unable to fight back, unable to break free (according to ZOS you should be immune from stun/snare lock for several seconds afterward).
2. Then there is the eternal shields stackers that can somehow hold that shield all day long and take no damage. I in turn will block and lose stamina with every hit until the stamina is gone and I am dead.
3. A group of 30 attacking an equally sized group liek a free for all. Then the batswarm choo choo appears out of no where and wipes all 30 instantly. INSTANTLY.

So yeah. I dont mind what the hell people can do as long as everyone can do it and no one becomes a god.

Confused,
theoretically everyone can be a Vampire.
So every class has a god like ability to either stun you to death or more or less one hit kill you, or survive.
However only some players are good enough to do this, so is your complaint that some players are better than you?

You mean like everyone has the ability to roll light armour or stick and anyone who doesnt is also not good enough ?

You can get chemical therapy for that confusion issue. Some good stuff out there.

AlexDougherty · October 2014

MrHemlocks wrote: »

I play a Vet9 Templar and realize he has very lack luster DPS. He is mainly a magicka build, for a stamina build with magicka is out of the question, and relies of BS,Blind Flashes and heal, to stay alive (somewhat) in PvP. I was thinking about adding Harness Magicka to the list. It would be used along with BS for a better survival rate. Was told this is shield stacking and that it is somehow wrong to do...why???? I Templar's DPS sucks and he lacks the other abilities that make other classes shine in PvP.

Can it be the people complaining about Templar shield stacking are those that want an easy kill on the Templar...like NS one shots, stam bow users one shots, DKs and Sorc with their multi skills built for PvP?

Come on...Templars are very lack luster in PvP. Sure they have heals but most DPS out last the heals and other classes do like wise. Not to mention all classes have heal abilities...

That's not shield stacking, it's merely synergy between two different abilities, person who told you it was shield stacking is mistaken, or deliberately giving you bad advice.

s7732425ub17_ESO · October 2014

Elsterchen wrote: »

I think u are mistaking the term "shield stacking" - as far as i know this term referred to an exploit that was happening when using BS (and has been corrected by a patch already). This exploit made it possible that dmg stored up during one fight would be released during the following fight - to be more preciese this happened only when during the first fight all enemies died before the dmg was released (the BS exploded). In this way it was possible to stack dmg from BS and have one very high single target dmg dealt (at that time BS targeting was buggy as well so in most cases it only worked on single targets anyways - so in PVP it was pretty bad while in PVE neglegtable).

Or am i mistaken here ? - Turtle tactics (= harden your shell in every possible way) is not shiel stacking. (?)

You are mistaken. Shield stacking is using multiple shields on top of one another so that you get the effect from one without it being hurt. For example, there is a resto staff shield that heals for the amount of shield left after 6 seconds. If you pop up that shield and then pop up another shield on top of that, any damage you take will apply to the outer shield. This means after 6 seconds, as long as the outer shield holds, you will be healed for the full value of the inner shield.

You can do this with the resto shield + templar blazing shield to get a full heal + huge damage to nearby opponents.

Another thing is to use harness magicka with another shield. With harness magicka, you take reduced damage from spells and gain magicka as long as the shield holds. However, if you apply an outer shield on top of it, you will still get all the bonuses from harness magicka, but the outer shield will take all the damage.