About Veteran rank improvements in 1.5

dharbert · October 2014

Veteran Rank Improvements

We have been tracking Experience gains past maximum Veteran Rank on accounts in preparation for the Champion System. Veteran Ranks are now earned by Experience Points instead of Veteran Points. From this moment on, Veteran Points shall be banished from the land of Tamriel. When a Veteran Rank is earned, you will be rewarded with an Attribute Point and a Skill Point.

Reduced the amount of Health, Magicka, and Stamina rewarded on a Veteran Rank gain by 35% to compensate for the new Attribute Points rewarded.

It takes 1,432,550 Experience Points to gain a Veteran Rank. We expect this to greatly reduce the amount of time it takes to gain a Veteran Rank.

Ok, I have a couple of questions about this change.

First of all, If I am VR14 when update 1.5 hits, according to this I am going to receive 14 Attribute points and 14 skill points to distribute?

Second, since Veteran ranks will now only take 1.4 million XP to gain a level, what happens if I am 4 million XP into VR9 when 1.5 hits? Am I automatically going to be bumped up to VR11 or VR12 since I will have almost 3 times as much XP required to level up now?

WraithAzraiel · October 2014

Yes, you will get 14 Attribute and Skill points to spend as you see fit, unless I'm wrong.

Question 2: Nothing happens.

Per Paul Sage's words. You will stay what rank you are and your XP bar will not change.

WraithAzraiel · October 2014

Because trying to figure out and grant people their due rewards is just "too hard."

Or something.

EDIT: FIX'd mah profanitation

LonePirate · October 2014

Actually, you will receive 13 attribute and skill points as you have already received the level 50 (VR1) points. You increase 13 levels going from VR1 to VR14.

dharbert · October 2014

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

Yes, you will get 14 Attribute and Skill points to spend as you see fit, unless I'm wrong.

Question 2: Nothing happens.

Per Paul Sage's words. You will stay what rank you are and your XP bar will not change.

So, let me get this straight. Veteran ranks will now only take 1.4 million XP. It takes 4.1 million XP to get from VR9 to VR10. When update 1.5 hits, If I am VR9 with 3.5 million XP left to get to VR10, I will still have to get that 3.5 million to hit VR10? Whereas someone who just turned VR9 after the 1.5 update will only have to get 1.4 million to hit VR10?

That's sheer stupidity.

Nestor · October 2014

dharbert wrote: »

When update 1.5 hits, If I am VR9 with 3.5 million XP left to get to VR10, I will still have to get that 3.5 million to hit VR10? Whereas someone who just turned VR9 after the 1.5 update will only have to get 1.4 million to hit VR10?

There is also some changes to the exp earned for various things, making them have less of an impact on the leveling. So, I don't have all the details (or really care as I am not into leveling for leveling's sake) but it seems as if you will have to do more things to get to 1.4 Million points with 1.5 than before.

You can see the differences in the PTS server if you want to figure out the numbers.

WraithAzraiel · October 2014

dharbert wrote: »

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

Yes, you will get 14 Attribute and Skill points to spend as you see fit, unless I'm wrong.

Question 2: Nothing happens.

Per Paul Sage's words. You will stay what rank you are and your XP bar will not change.

So, let me get this straight. Veteran ranks will now only take 1.4 million XP. It takes 4.1 million XP to get from VR9 to VR10. When update 1.5 hits, If I am VR9 with 3.5 million XP left to get to VR10, I will still have to get that 3.5 million to hit VR10? Whereas someone who just turned VR9 after the 1.5 update will only have to get 1.4 million to hit VR10?

That's sheer stupidity.

No no that's not it at all. You won't have ANY vet points toward V10, but however far your XP bar has been filled will be the same.

In this regard they are NOT translating Vet Points into Experience Points.

Essentially no conversion whatsoever.

So
100010101010000100101010 Vet Points toward Veteran Rank 32 will be translated into whatever percentage to which your XP bar is currently filled.

dharbert · October 2014

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

dharbert wrote: »

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

Yes, you will get 14 Attribute and Skill points to spend as you see fit, unless I'm wrong.

Question 2: Nothing happens.

Per Paul Sage's words. You will stay what rank you are and your XP bar will not change.

So, let me get this straight. Veteran ranks will now only take 1.4 million XP. It takes 4.1 million XP to get from VR9 to VR10. When update 1.5 hits, If I am VR9 with 3.5 million XP left to get to VR10, I will still have to get that 3.5 million to hit VR10? Whereas someone who just turned VR9 after the 1.5 update will only have to get 1.4 million to hit VR10?

That's sheer stupidity.

No no that's not it at all. You won't have ANY vet points toward V10, but however far your XP bar has been filled will be the same.

In this regard they are NOT translating Vet Points into Experience Points.

Essentially no conversion whatsoever.

So
100010101010000100101010 Vet Points toward Veteran Rank 32 will be translated into whatever percentage to which your XP bar is currently filled.

Ah, gotcha. So If I'm currently 75% towards VR10, I'll still be 75% towards VR10 when the update hits. Thanks.

WraithAzraiel · October 2014

You'll still get V10 WAY faster than you would've before the change, you just won't be getting it automatically as soon as you log in on day 1 of Update 5.

So if your XP bar is 1/3 full, you'll still have to complete the other 2/3 of it but it will require less "experience currency" than it did before the Update.

To my understanding.

Which blows because I know there are some solo players out there that are sitting at V10 or V11 and completed ALLLLL the Cadwell's Silver and Gold by themselves and they're not going to be retroactively granted all that Discovery XP that would at least place them closer to the PREVIOUS level cap and are going to be pissed.

IE they're going to have to grind the rest of the way to V14 because there will be no solo story leveling zone content for them to complete.

ZOS prepare for the wave of rage when this happens.

You've been warned.

Nestor · October 2014

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

Which blows because I know there are some solo players out there that are sitting at V10 or V11 and completed ALLLLL the Cadwell's Silver and Gold by themselves and they're not going to be retroactively granted all that Discovery XP that would at least place them closer to the PREVIOUS level cap and .....

Kind of glad I have puttered in the game then....

Currently I have 3 characters at VR4 and not far into the level.

Tonturri · October 2014

Which blows because I know there are some solo players out there that are sitting at V10 or V11 and completed ALLLLL the Cadwell's Silver and Gold by themselves and they're not going to be retroactively granted all that Discovery XP that would at least place them closer to the PREVIOUS level cap and are going to be pissed.

What is this 'discovery XP' I keep seeing around? I waddled up to a wayshrine earlier and got 100ish XP for finding it. *flails around* Someone please explain what I'm missing.

WraithAzraiel · October 2014

Tonturri wrote: »

Which blows because I know there are some solo players out there that are sitting at V10 or V11 and completed ALLLLL the Cadwell's Silver and Gold by themselves and they're not going to be retroactively granted all that Discovery XP that would at least place them closer to the PREVIOUS level cap and are going to be pissed.

What is this 'discovery XP' I keep seeing around? I waddled up to a wayshrine earlier and got 100ish XP for finding it. *flails around* Someone please explain what I'm missing.

Are you below level 50? If so you'll continue to gain XP toward your next level, if you're V1 and up it requires Veteran Points, which Discovery activities do not grant.

IE if your V5 and you find a new Point of Interest you get NO credit toward V6

Resueht · October 2014

Tonturri wrote: »

Which blows because I know there are some solo players out there that are sitting at V10 or V11 and completed ALLLLL the Cadwell's Silver and Gold by themselves and they're not going to be retroactively granted all that Discovery XP that would at least place them closer to the PREVIOUS level cap and are going to be pissed.

What is this 'discovery XP' I keep seeing around? I waddled up to a wayshrine earlier and got 100ish XP for finding it. *flails around* Someone please explain what I'm missing.

You just described it. It's the xp you get for discovering new points of interest (POIs) or lockpicking chests.

I thought I read somewhere though they have been keep track of that xp while we are in veteran and will grant that xp back? I know it's not the same as retro silver/gold xp, but that can add up to something.

KenjiJU · October 2014

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

You'll still get V10 WAY faster than you would've before the change, you just won't be getting it automatically as soon as you log in on day 1 of Update 5.

So if your XP bar is 1/3 full, you'll still have to complete the other 2/3 of it but it will require less "experience currency" than it did before the Update.

To my understanding.

Which blows because I know there are some solo players out there that are sitting at V10 or V11 and completed ALLLLL the Cadwell's Silver and Gold by themselves and they're not going to be retroactively granted all that Discovery XP that would at least place them closer to the PREVIOUS level cap and are going to be pissed.

IE they're going to have to grind the rest of the way to V14 because there will be no solo story leveling zone content for them to complete.

ZOS prepare for the wave of rage when this happens.

You've been warned.

They can run a delve or two and actually see their xp bar move now though. Is this somehow going to bring people back just to see if they were given xp retroactively and then once they find out it's not they're going to ragequit? If they were still playing the game, they're still going to get much more xp than before for whatever they're still doing if it's anything besides fishing or something.

Sure, something like solo repeatable quests would be really nice to go with this move, but I don't get the alarmism.

Nestor · October 2014

Tonturri wrote: »

I waddled up to a wayshrine earlier and got 100ish XP for finding it. *flails around* Someone please explain what I'm missing.

Which is why the Exploration Trait is so nice to have on your first armor set. Once you get to level 5 to 8 or so, then this discovery Exp is a small part of the exp pool you need to level, even with a boost from the Exploration Trait.

kijima · October 2014

When I make a new alt to level I always craft an exploration set with another toon and give it to them, then I ask a guildy for 5 minutes of their time and give them some gold, as they become my personal chauffeur. I get them to port all all over the maps and I follow them. You make a tonne of XP for those lower levels very quickly. But there comes a point when the XP gained is what you'd call diminishing returns, still XP is XP.

MissBizz · October 2014

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

Which blows because I know there are some solo players out there that are sitting at V10 or V11 and completed ALLLLL the Cadwell's Silver and Gold by themselves and they're not going to be retroactively granted all that Discovery XP that would at least place them closer to the PREVIOUS level cap and are going to be pissed.

IE they're going to have to grind the rest of the way to V14 because there will be no solo story leveling zone content for them to complete

I think this would only be a problem if they changed the area levels. As an AD player, Deshaan will still be VR2.. so when the update hits, if I am VR2 I should still be there. As well, you should still finish gold before VR14 as is now.. Or you will be ridiculously overlevelled.

My 2 cents... I'm already slowly overlevelling the VR content.. If I start getting xp for things I don't now, AND they make it less xp to level.. I'm going to end up in that terrible overlevelled mess I had to deal with in 1-50. I play for the story, not the levels.. But I can't enjoy the story because the items I get are 2 levels behind me.. Its not so great.